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Title: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on February 07, 2013, 11:27:25 AM
Big Tom Hess and the rest of the Brunswick team are second to none!
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Cornerpin on February 07, 2013, 12:01:53 PM
LOUD NOISES!
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on February 20, 2013, 01:18:53 PM
Shows how a regional champ can make it to the big time. We're as proud of Tom as we are of Walter Ray. Big B has the best team, bar none.

LOUD NOISES!
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 22, 2013, 03:50:28 PM
Why don't you explain to us your man-crush on these bowlers?  Right now the only people throwing Brunswick on television and not making the balls look like garbage are Sean Rash are PBIII.  Smallwood doing nothing and hasn't done nothing since his one Tour win.  Hess?  Can't get off the bench in PBA League play and another one title wonder.

Are you a staffer?  A Brunswick worker?  Just a googley-eyed fanboy?
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Impending Doom on February 22, 2013, 03:52:08 PM
And can I just state that all of these guys would be better than any of us with any company in their hands?
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: stc067 on February 22, 2013, 04:09:30 PM
And can I just state that all of these guys would be better than any of us with any company in their hands?

Amen!
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Mbosco on February 22, 2013, 04:09:47 PM
Ryan Ciminelli made them look pretty good last year too.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 22, 2013, 04:14:32 PM
And can I just state that all of these guys would be better than any of us with any company in their hands?

Not disputing that one bit.  Just wonder why this guy is spamming the site with his posts about these guys?
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Impending Doom on February 22, 2013, 04:38:37 PM
Oh, I agree with you, LGD. I don't throw 900 Global because of Robert Smith. I throw it because of me. I don't get the fanboyness of the guys throwing the stuff. I get the fanboyness of the company, though.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: completebowler on February 22, 2013, 04:57:05 PM
Yeah I also don't see the point of talking about staffers and how great the company makes them. Only guy that comes to my mind is Mika. He looked great with Ebonite early in his career. Signed with Brunswick and never did much. Went back to EBI and started winning again.

But other than that....those guys win with whatever you put in their hands. Walter Ray is the posterchild for that. Ebonite, Global, Brunswick, Morich, you name it....he just wins.

Pete and Amletto and Duke won lots of titles before Storm was ever even thunk of.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: BigBaller on February 22, 2013, 09:27:29 PM
I don't root for a ball company, they don't pay me to promote or roll their balls. I roll what works for me regardless of what company makes it.

I root for bowlers, usually the ones i have bowled with or know.

If i don't know the guys bowling i still watch as i love watching good bowlers roll the ball better than i do.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: northface28 on February 22, 2013, 10:32:58 PM
Yeah I also don't see the point of talking about staffers and how great the company makes them. Only guy that comes to my mind is Mika. He looked great with Ebonite early in his career. Signed with Brunswick and never did much. Went back to EBI and started winning again.

But other than that....those guys win with whatever you put in their hands. Walter Ray is the posterchild for that. Ebonite, Global, Brunswick, Morich, you name it....he just wins.

Pete and Amletto and Duke won lots of titles before Storm was ever even thunk of.

Youre forgetting Patrick Allen, when he was using that Track stuff he wasnt even making the cut anymore.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Strider on February 22, 2013, 10:49:00 PM
I would still think it's more of how a bowler matches up with the equipment, not that the equipment is inherently better.

I haven't tried anything from the last 3 years, but for a long time, anything by Ebonite looked terrible in my hands.  Everyone else was killing it with Ebonite, but they probably would have paid me not to throw it if I ever made it on TV somehow.  :-[
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on February 25, 2013, 05:13:42 PM
So why are you on a bowling site if all you do is downgrade bowlers, equipment, and posters.

Mr internet tough guy. I owe you no explanation. Smallwood and Big Hess are awesome. At least you recognize Parker is too.

Big B, baby!

Why don't you explain to us your man-crush on these bowlers?  Right now the only people throwing Brunswick on television and not making the balls look like garbage are Sean Rash are PBIII.  Smallwood doing nothing and hasn't done nothing since his one Tour win.  Hess?  Can't get off the bench in PBA League play and another one title wonder.

Are you a staffer?  A Brunswick worker?  Just a googley-eyed fanboy?
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 25, 2013, 05:26:42 PM
You had one of three things right.   
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: soonerdallas on February 25, 2013, 10:07:42 PM
You forget to mention the fact that Hess won his major with storm and Smallwood won his major with columbia 300
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: lsf_21 on February 26, 2013, 01:38:55 AM
You forget to mention the fact that Hess won his major with storm and Smallwood won his major with columbia 300

^ ha
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on February 26, 2013, 07:08:02 AM
Storm's loss was Big B's gain, baby!

Let's hear from Walking E. "War of the Gargantua's".

You forget to mention the fact that Hess won his major with storm and Smallwood won his major with columbia 300
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: soonerdallas on February 26, 2013, 11:45:35 AM
Depends how you look at it. Brunswick is paying him and storm would not. So it is costing them money.

FYI I have nothing against Hess and have lots of Brunswick equipment. I just enjoy putting holes in your theory
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on February 26, 2013, 01:11:05 PM
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.

Big B and its staff are rock stars. And Big Hess is a great guy to boot.

Depends how you look at it. Brunswick is paying him and storm would not. So it is costing them money.

FYI I have nothing against Hess and have lots of Brunswick equipment. I just enjoy putting holes in your theory
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: soonerdallas on February 27, 2013, 08:23:41 AM
Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.



Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 27, 2013, 08:50:56 AM
Of course, he's not making any sense.  Just a fanboy of regional bowlers.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on February 27, 2013, 02:27:51 PM
Soonerdallas,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can poke so many holes in your post.

I would start by pointing out that I never said Brunswick didn't want big names too.  Just look at Walter Ray and PBIII.

What I said was they are the only company with a stable of regional stars. Smallwood, Hess, and Sterner are regional STARS.

A couple of the examples you cite attempting to refute my claim are horrible examples. Kretzer is no star, he's a scrub. No disrespect intended but he's not in the same class as a guy like Big Hess. Also, anyone close to the industry knows the only reason Roto Grip has Kretzer on staff is because he's buddies with Robert Dong and Lee Upp. Come on, now. After the scandal last year where Lee Upp pulled the wool over Turbo's eyes while he was actually selling for Vise, I'm surprised Roto Grip even considers that guy employable. Kretzer has hooked his wagon to those guys probably because he otherwise couldnt land a staff position. But why else would a scrub like Kretzer be on staff if not for who he knows at the company?

Now I don't really care what Roto Grip or Vise does. Everyone knows Vise is the most unethical company out there. I'm only here to state that Brunswick staffers are solid, they're regional stars, and Brunswick rocks.


Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: storm making it rain on February 27, 2013, 02:33:16 PM
Yeah Kretzer is a scrub http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/5457  In my opinion he's had a ton of success both regionally and on the the national tour joined in 2001 I believe

now compare the number to Tom Hess http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/9237
not even close in my opinion, except for winning a major title. Hess joined in 2003





Soonerdallas,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can poke so many holes in your post.

I would start by pointing out that I never said Brunswick didn't want big names too.  Just look at Walter Ray and PBIII.

What I said was they are the only company with a stable of regional stars. Smallwood, Hess, and Sterner are regional STARS.

A couple of the examples you cite attempting to refute my claim are horrible examples. Kretzer is no star, he's a scrub. No disrespect intended but he's not in the same class as a guy like Big Hess. Also, anyone close to the industry knows the only reason Roto Grip has Kretzer on staff is because he's buddies with Robert Dong and Lee Upp. Come on, now. After the scandal last year where Lee Upp pulled the wool over Turbo's eyes while he was actually selling for Vise, I'm surprised Roto Grip even considers that guy employable. Kretzer has hooked his wagon to those guys probably because he otherwise couldnt land a staff position. But why else would a scrub like Kretzer be on staff if not for who he knows at the company?

Now I don't really care what Roto Grip or Vise does. Everyone knows Vise is the most unethical company out there. I'm only here to state that Brunswick staffers are solid, they're regional stars, and Brunswick rocks.


Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 27, 2013, 04:04:01 PM
Ah so, now the ugly truth is starting to ooze out.  This guy, rattlesnake, is more than likely the re-incarnation of the turd known as The Beast.  I really thought this site had cleaned itself out but it looks like it's impossible to prevent someone with a new IP address to join back up, no matter how reprehensible he was.  To the ignore list he goes for sure. 
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on February 27, 2013, 04:47:15 PM
storm making it rain,

I stand corrected. Bad choice of words calling Kretzer a scrub. His credentials are strong.

My point to Sooner was addressing him saying Kretzer was added to Roto's staff PRIOR to winning on the largest stage. My contention is he was added due to cronyism. After he won, different story. But certainly the guy has strong creds.

As I said, I'm not here to discuss Roto Grip. I simply think the Big B team is second to none.

Yeah Kretzer is a scrub http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/5457  In my opinion he's had a ton of success both regionally and on the the national tour joined in 2001 I believe

now compare the number to Tom Hess http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/9237
not even close in my opinion, except for winning a major title. Hess joined in 2003





Soonerdallas,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can poke so many holes in your post.

I would start by pointing out that I never said Brunswick didn't want big names too.  Just look at Walter Ray and PBIII.

What I said was they are the only company with a stable of regional stars. Smallwood, Hess, and Sterner are regional STARS.

A couple of the examples you cite attempting to refute my claim are horrible examples. Kretzer is no star, he's a scrub. No disrespect intended but he's not in the same class as a guy like Big Hess. Also, anyone close to the industry knows the only reason Roto Grip has Kretzer on staff is because he's buddies with Robert Dong and Lee Upp. Come on, now. After the scandal last year where Lee Upp pulled the wool over Turbo's eyes while he was actually selling for Vise, I'm surprised Roto Grip even considers that guy employable. Kretzer has hooked his wagon to those guys probably because he otherwise couldnt land a staff position. But why else would a scrub like Kretzer be on staff if not for who he knows at the company?

Now I don't really care what Roto Grip or Vise does. Everyone knows Vise is the most unethical company out there. I'm only here to state that Brunswick staffers are solid, they're regional stars, and Brunswick rocks.


Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: lsf_21 on February 27, 2013, 07:11:55 PM
Big B team is 2nd to none.

Because they are like last.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 07:41:19 AM
Ah, no denial to being called The Beast, eh "rattlesnake"

Everybody, I urge you to strongly ignore whatever else this guy posts.  This is the guy who stirred up all the Vise vs. Turbo crap for about two years and made a mess of the site.  Anything he posts, just let it die a well deserved and ignored death.  You can see he's not posting anything of substance, just cheerleading for some regional "stars" on Brunswick's staff.  He's now starting to get what he wants with some of the responses saying "Storm is best, Brunswick sucks". 

Don't play his game.  Ignore him.   
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: PaulDennis on February 28, 2013, 07:59:48 AM
Allow me to counter the last poster's (Long Gone Daddy) post.

I don't know what Long Gone Daddy's beef is with this rattlesnake guy. Most of Long Gone Daddy's previous post reads like a blathering rant, which is his typical M.O. The truth is this guy Long Gone Daddy stalks posters in the unmoderated, non-bowling threads. Now he's evidently stooping to stalking and chasing guys around legit bowling threads and denigrating their opinions.

He's the guy--Long Gone Daddy--that constantly makes a mess of this site, and he's the guy you need to ignore!!!

I apologize on Long Gone Daddy's behalf, since he won't, for interrupting your debate.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 09:18:01 AM
Listen, clown.  I'm not debating you in this forum.  Ask your buddy, Milo.  He'll fill you in.  We would appreciate it if you would keep your crap in the non moderated forum from now on.   
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: PaulDennis on February 28, 2013, 09:25:12 AM
When you refer to "we", let's clarify that this means you. And if you want crap to be contained in the unmoderated forum, then you follow suit. If I see you denigrating or disparaging another poster, I WILL speak up. It's one thing having a difference of opinion. These guys appear to have differing opinions on different ball companies and which bowlers are better than whom. That's fine. But your rants and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Listen, clown.  I'm not debating you in this forum.  Ask your buddy, Milo.  He'll fill you in.  We would appreciate it if you would keep your crap in the non moderated forum from now on.   
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: storm making it rain on February 28, 2013, 09:33:42 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but if you look at the actual numbers, Storm is leading the way (and that's a fact)  I'm not here to bash any company either and Brunswick absolutely has some great players on their staff and tons of people love their equipment, both facts as well.

Now regarding staff positions, there's plenty of times people get put on staff without having monster credentials.  Some cases because they run a shop and can push the product and other times who knows maybe they do know someone at the company.  There's also a ton of great players not on a staff for whatever reason.

storm making it rain,

I stand corrected. Bad choice of words calling Kretzer a scrub. His credentials are strong.

My point to Sooner was addressing him saying Kretzer was added to Roto's staff PRIOR to winning on the largest stage. My contention is he was added due to cronyism. After he won, different story. But certainly the guy has strong creds.

As I said, I'm not here to discuss Roto Grip. I simply think the Big B team is second to none.

Yeah Kretzer is a scrub http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/5457  In my opinion he's had a ton of success both regionally and on the the national tour joined in 2001 I believe

now compare the number to Tom Hess http://www.pba.com/Bowlers/Bowler/9237
not even close in my opinion, except for winning a major title. Hess joined in 2003





Soonerdallas,

You are entitled to your opinion but I can poke so many holes in your post.

I would start by pointing out that I never said Brunswick didn't want big names too.  Just look at Walter Ray and PBIII.

What I said was they are the only company with a stable of regional stars. Smallwood, Hess, and Sterner are regional STARS.

A couple of the examples you cite attempting to refute my claim are horrible examples. Kretzer is no star, he's a scrub. No disrespect intended but he's not in the same class as a guy like Big Hess. Also, anyone close to the industry knows the only reason Roto Grip has Kretzer on staff is because he's buddies with Robert Dong and Lee Upp. Come on, now. After the scandal last year where Lee Upp pulled the wool over Turbo's eyes while he was actually selling for Vise, I'm surprised Roto Grip even considers that guy employable. Kretzer has hooked his wagon to those guys probably because he otherwise couldnt land a staff position. But why else would a scrub like Kretzer be on staff if not for who he knows at the company?

Now I don't really care what Roto Grip or Vise does. Everyone knows Vise is the most unethical company out there. I'm only here to state that Brunswick staffers are solid, they're regional stars, and Brunswick rocks.


Your not making any sense, you say the competition just wants the big names and Brunswick doesn't.Dan Maclelland no titles is columbia 300 pro staff. Mitch Beasley is with Track and has not titles. Brian Kretzer was national staff already with roto grip when he won his first title. But somehow brunswick wants the regional players. Tom Hess, Tom Smallwood, Ryan cimenelli, and Jason Sterner all had to win a title for brunswick to give them a contract. So you have it backwards, once there a star they get signed.
No theory. Just stating facts. No other company ties itself to regional stars. The competition only wants the big names.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 09:41:56 AM
When you refer to "we", let's clarify that this means you. And if you want crap to be contained in the unmoderated forum, then you follow suit. If I see you denigrating or disparaging another poster, I WILL speak up. It's one thing having a difference of opinion. These guys appear to have differing opinions on different ball companies and which bowlers are better than whom. That's fine. But your rants and personal attacks will not be tolerated.

Listen, clown.  I'm not debating you in this forum.  Ask your buddy, Milo.  He'll fill you in.  We would appreciate it if you would keep your crap in the non moderated forum from now on.   

You're not the moderator of this site, last I checked.  Keep your personal vendettas out these forums.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Nails on February 28, 2013, 12:04:15 PM
Listen, clown.  I'm not debating you in this forum.  Ask your buddy, Milo.  He'll fill you in.  We would appreciate it if you would keep your crap in the non moderated forum from now on.   

Sounds like a moderator wanna be comment to me.  Sure looks like you're telling someone how to use the forum.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on February 28, 2013, 12:33:18 PM
Before I regret addressing you, I want to thank storm making it rain, Paul Dennis, and Nails for your respective comments regarding what amounts to free speech and freedom of opinions. I honestly don't know what this guy wants with me, sending me lewd pm's and chiming in on my threads with this crap. Maybe he's just hurt because I blew off his advances.

Now as I said, I'll likely regret asking, but what is it your wanting me to deny? I make no denials about liking Brunswick and their staff and being a huge fan. I also appreciate the poster who likes Storm. Thats his right. What Vise and Turbo crap have I stirred up for 2 years? I haven't been here but maybe 2 months. I've posted probably 15-20 times about Brunswick's staff since joining and you take issue with one innocuous comment about Vise and Turbo?

Are you pissed about my Kretzer comment?  I stand by that. Not that he's a scrub, I admittedly used a bad choice of words, but he did get asked to join Roto Grip's staff long before he accomplished anything. I believe that's because of his ties to Robert Dong and Lee Upp. My point about Upp is he got caught red handed in a scam last year as a rep for Turbo yet was selling Vise's accessories. You can't tell me someone at Vise didn't know what was going on, they signed the guy's checks. If Kretzer is loyal to his friend I can't knock that, but I am shocked Roto Grip would employ Upp. That's all I was saying there. And you can't be in this business and not know what went down last year. I have to believe Roto Grip knows like everyone else does.

My money is on you having some issue with Big Hess and don't like me tooting his horn and posting all about their plaudits. Get used to it. Hess, Smallwood, Sterner, are tops in my book!

Ah, no denial to being called The Beast, eh "rattlesnake"

Everybody, I urge you to strongly ignore whatever else this guy posts.  This is the guy who stirred up all the Vise vs. Turbo crap for about two years and made a mess of the site.  Anything he posts, just let it die a well deserved and ignored death.  You can see he's not posting anything of substance, just cheerleading for some regional "stars" on Brunswick's staff.  He's now starting to get what he wants with some of the responses saying "Storm is best, Brunswick sucks". 

Don't play his game.  Ignore him.   
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 12:51:11 PM
Before I regret addressing you, I want to thank storm making it rain, Paul Dennis, and Nails for your respective comments regarding what amounts to free speech and freedom of opinions. I honestly don't know what this guy wants with me, sending me lewd pm's and chiming in on my threads with this crap. Maybe he's just hurt because I blew off his advances.

Now as I said, I'll likely regret asking, but what is it your wanting me to deny? I make no denials about liking Brunswick and their staff and being a huge fan. I also appreciate the poster who likes Storm. Thats his right. What Vise and Turbo crap have I stirred up for 2 years? I haven't been here but maybe 2 months. I've posted probably 15-20 times about Brunswick's staff since joining and you take issue with one innocuous comment about Vise and Turbo?

Are you pissed about my Kretzer comment?  I stand by that. Not that he's a scrub, I admittedly used a bad choice of words, but he did get asked to join Roto Grip's staff long before he accomplished anything. I believe that's because of his ties to Robert Dong and Lee Upp. My point about Upp is he got caught red handed in a scam last year as a rep for Turbo yet was selling Vise's accessories. You can't tell me someone at Vise didn't know what was going on, they signed the guy's checks. If Kretzer is loyal to his friend I can't knock that, but I am shocked Roto Grip would employ Upp. That's all I was saying there. And you can't be in this business and not know what went down last year. I have to believe Roto Grip knows like everyone else does.

My money is on you having some issue with Big Hess and don't like me tooting his horn and posting all about their plaudits. Get used to it. Hess, Smallwood, Sterner, are tops in my book!

Ah, no denial to being called The Beast, eh "rattlesnake"

Everybody, I urge you to strongly ignore whatever else this guy posts.  This is the guy who stirred up all the Vise vs. Turbo crap for about two years and made a mess of the site.  Anything he posts, just let it die a well deserved and ignored death.  You can see he's not posting anything of substance, just cheerleading for some regional "stars" on Brunswick's staff.  He's now starting to get what he wants with some of the responses saying "Storm is best, Brunswick sucks". 

Don't play his game.  Ignore him.   


No, my issue with you is post in exactly the same style as a banned user.  You post about Vise vs. Turbo which was all unsubstantiated and had regular membrs of this site being accused of being Vise "moles" and working for this site and giving Vise preferential treatement in advertising and marketing.  I get concerned when before you even post in an open forum, you private message the person the banned user accused of being a Vise "double agent" and ask him why the site is down as is he is in control of this site.  I really begin to wonder when I referred to you as The Beast and you didn't deny.  In the pasI, the banned user I was talking about had 5 aliases and it took months before he admitted it.  I see the same M.O. (btw, a couple of other users have noted the same thing to me, ToolDennis's claims notwithstanding).  Nothing about you adds up to anything that is any good.  That's my problem with you.  You love Brunswick?  Great.  Now tell everybody what your ties are to Brunswick if you have nothing to hide.  It's a fair request.  Why tell us anything about a Vise/Turbo dust-up in a Brunswick forum?  That's another fair request.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Nails on February 28, 2013, 01:45:02 PM
What Vise and Turbo crap have I stirred up for 2 years? I haven't been here but maybe 2 months. I've posted probably 15-20 times about Brunswick's staff since joining and you take issue with one innocuous comment about Vise and Turbo?

Are you pissed about my Kretzer comment?  I stand by that. Not that he's a scrub, I admittedly used a bad choice of words, but he did get asked to join Roto Grip's staff long before he accomplished anything. I believe that's because of his ties to Robert Dong and Lee Upp. My point about Upp is he got caught red handed in a scam last year as a rep for Turbo yet was selling Vise's accessories. You can't tell me someone at Vise didn't know what was going on, they signed the guy's checks. If Kretzer is loyal to his friend I can't knock that, but I am shocked Roto Grip would employ Upp. That's all I was saying there. And you can't be in this business and not know what went down last year. I have to believe Roto Grip knows like everyone else does.

My money is on you having some issue with Big Hess and don't like me tooting his horn and posting all about their plaudits. Get used to it. Hess, Smallwood, Sterner, are tops in my book!

How are you "in the business"?  I've been bowling forever and don't know any individuals that work for any company, let alone Turbo and Vise, other than the ones who publically identify themselves here or on other web sites.  If something inappropriate happened, I could see Roto Grip finding out about it, but unless you have an in with one of the companies, that seems unlikely.  Other than people recommending one brand of inserts or the other, I've never heard of any business type talk about Turbo or Vise in this site's history.  How is it you know more than the average person?
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: sevenpin63 on February 28, 2013, 03:49:20 PM
"QUOTE from Long Gone Daddy"
No, my issue with you is post in exactly the same style as a banned user. 



You should know something about being a BANNED member as you have been banned, what something like 10 times.

So if you can keep coming back why not someone else? You think your special or what?
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on February 28, 2013, 04:04:28 PM
Sure did, jerk.  That was before the place had an unmoderated forum and I got bounced.  Funny thing is, I have never hidden that fact, have listed those names before, and most people with half a brain (guess that leaves you out) figured out it was me within two postings and I readily admitted it.  Ever think that's why I can sniff these frauds out so well.  I'd wait for you to be honorable and correct yourself but you've never shown any indication of having that kind of honor. 

Last post from me in this forum about it.  Not the proper forum for your cattiness. 
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on March 01, 2013, 07:45:51 AM
I am not going to get in the mud with you Long Gone. I've rejected your private personal advances and I also reject and deny your accusation of me being someone else here who caused trouble.

I did not introduce any Turbo or Vise dust up. Some other poster challenged my opinion of Kretzer, and it was Kretzer's friend that was involved in the Vise sales scam last year. I simply gave my opinion. I'm now done talking about that. Not sure why you want to keep discussing it so badly, but that's your problem not mine.

As far as who I'm connected to in this business, I worked at both Brunswick and Track over the years but am now in a different business. But I've made friends over the years in bowling, and know big Hess personally. He's a great guy and an awesome bowler. Brunswick's whole team of stars, especially the regional guys, I like to give props to.

Now that I've answered your questions, I'm done with you in this forum. I will continue to post about Hess, Smallwood, Sterner, and others.  Seems to me you are stirring up stuff here, not me. As I said, your nothing but one of these internet tough guys who likes to stir up trouble. These other posters say you have been banned 10 times. You want that, keep it in the non moderated forum.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on March 01, 2013, 08:42:03 AM
Such vague answers to Nails questions and my questions.  No matter.  Frauds aren't worth the time of day.  Toodles.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: PaulDennis on March 01, 2013, 09:33:52 AM
Funny how you don't mention Nails' post aimed squarely at you, acting like your a "moderator wanna be". Hahaha.

Such vague answers to Nails questions and my questions.  No matter.  Frauds aren't worth the time of day.  Toodles.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on March 01, 2013, 03:45:01 PM
Unlike you and just about everybody on here, Nails and I go back along time on this site.  I have no beef with him, he has none with me.  I have no problem if he posts his honest feelings on here, just as he has never had a problem with me.  Sorry to burst your bubble.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: PaulDennis on March 01, 2013, 03:50:23 PM
You are not bursting any bubble of mine. I'm just keeping an eye on you so that you aren't hijacking anymore legit bowling threads over here, that's all.

Carry on.

Unlike you and just about everybody on here, Nails and I go back along time on this site.  I have no beef with him, he has none with me.  I have no problem if he posts his honest feelings on here, just as he has never had a problem with me.  Sorry to burst your bubble.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Good Times Good Times on March 01, 2013, 10:34:31 PM
I'm just keeping an eye on you.....

Just like a "wanna be moderator"....  ;)
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on March 04, 2013, 08:34:33 AM
And what does that make you, another internet tough guy wanna be?

I'm just keeping an eye on you.....

Just like a "wanna be moderator"....  ;)
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on March 04, 2013, 03:12:32 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: PaulDennis on March 04, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
Eh, eh, eh! Still stalking our friend rattlesnake, I see.

Post smiley's all you want, as long as you don't hijack any threads. Just want to make sure we're clear on that?

::)
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Good Times Good Times on March 04, 2013, 03:33:36 PM
Makes me the guy who called out PD for doing exactly (in HIS words) what he accused another of.  In the words of the late Spider Man:  "lolz"

Go troll on the non bowling forum and stop polluting this one with year old videos of commonplace occurrences in the PBA.

Thx,
Everyone

Quote from: rattlesnake link=topic=292653.msg2384637#msg2384637 date=
And what does that make you

I'm just keeping an eye on you.....

Just like a "wanna be moderator"....  ;)
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: PaulDennis on March 04, 2013, 03:47:04 PM
How ironic. ::) :P

Makes me the guy who called out PD for doing exactly (in HIS words) what he accused another of.  In the words of the late Spider Man:  "lolz"
Go troll on the non bowling forum and stop polluting this one with year old videos of commonplace occurrences in the PBA.

Thx,
Everyone

Quote from: rattlesnake link=topic=292653.msg2384637#msg2384637 date=
And what does that make you

I'm just keeping an eye on you.....

Just like a "wanna be moderator"....  ;)
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Long Gone Daddy on March 04, 2013, 07:41:04 PM
How ironic. ::) :P

Makes me the guy who called out PD for doing exactly (in HIS words) what he accused another of.  In the words of the late Spider Man:  "lolz"
Go troll on the non bowling forum and stop polluting this one with year old videos of commonplace occurrences in the PBA.

Thx,
Everyone

Quote from: rattlesnake link=topic=292653.msg2384637#msg2384637 date=
And what does that make you

I'm just keeping an eye on you.....

Just like a "wanna be moderator"....  ;)

Yawn.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: rattlesnake on March 05, 2013, 05:38:59 AM
I see the big Hess haters are still out there that they continue to interrupt my thread.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: completebowler on March 05, 2013, 07:43:41 AM
You were an accomplice in the hijack of your own thread. Best way to avoid it happening is to not reply when someone takes the topic off subject. On subject, I can see how you appreciate Brunswicks support of regional players. I know lots of guys they back. That said, so do most the other companies. I bowl with staffers from Motiv, Ebonite, Columbia, DV8, Global, etc.

On a side note, one of the top local players recently left or lost his deal with Brunswick and went out a couple weeks later and finally won a PBA regional event with a Track ball as a free agent. If Brunswick (or any other brand) were sooooo good as some staffers say they are, how come we see them jump ship to another brand as soon as they are contractually allowed to?

Seems to me, if it was the best stuff then you would keep throwing it right? But this long time Brunswick regional staffer had a Track, Motiv, and Storm last time I bowled him. No Big B's to be seen in his bag.
Title: Re: Big Hess and Brunswick: best there is
Post by: Brickguy221 on March 05, 2013, 10:51:41 AM
You were an accomplice in the hijack of your own thread. Best way to avoid it happening is to not reply when someone takes the topic off subject. On subject, I can see how you appreciate Brunswicks support of regional players. I know lots of guys they back. That said, so do most the other companies. I bowl with staffers from Motiv, Ebonite, Columbia, DV8, Global, etc.

On a side note, one of the top local players recently left or lost his deal with Brunswick and went out a couple weeks later and finally won a PBA regional event with a Track ball as a free agent. If Brunswick (or any other brand) were sooooo good as some staffers say they are, how come we see them jump ship to another brand as soon as they are contractually allowed to?

Seems to me, if it was the best stuff then you would keep throwing it right? But this long time Brunswick regional staffer had a Track, Motiv, and Storm last time I bowled him. No Big B's to be seen in his bag.

Complete, we are all aware of your dislike of Brunswick that has to do with both Unions and their moving to Mexico which didn't suit you, thus your postings just like this one as well as your throwing negative comments at Brunswick every chance you get.

In answer to where you wrote ... If Brunswick (or any other brand) were sooooo good as some staffers say they are, how come we see them jump ship to another brand as soon as they are contractually allowed to? ... they jump ship for the same reasons that some bowlers jump ship from other companies and sign on with Brunswick. Another reason for bowlers changing companies is because of where they can get the best deals such as but not limited to, money, incentives and etc.