Post by: zone72 on January 26, 2007, 02:14:38 PM
BTW, what he throw this week?
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Post by: leftehh- LG on January 27, 2007, 09:12:15 PM
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Post by: J_L_B on January 28, 2007, 03:12:39 PM
Obviously Brad was the only bowler practicing on the right side on that pair. Were they just bad from the start or did his practice just make them worse??
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Post by: Long Roller on January 28, 2007, 03:13:10 PM
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Post by: MegaMav on January 28, 2007, 03:33:44 PM
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I think he was just using the wrong color ball. Especially if it had any static weight. Probably a Purple ball with the pin at 1:30, 1" past the VAL and the MB 180 degrees left of the middle finger would work.
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Post by: Joe Jr on January 28, 2007, 03:52:45 PM
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Not to sound to critical but do you have a clue what he was bowling on? The pair did not play like they did all week; the fronts went and the backs tightened up. How would you have played them? Give him a little more credit than wrong line and wrong hand position...and a comment such as 'amateurish'. Too many armchair bowlers.
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Post by: Long Roller on January 28, 2007, 04:07:55 PM
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LongRoller
When you have 2 individuals that are affiliated with a competing company, that did not compete during the week, as well as extremely opinionated, YES.
George
Yes it has become common due to the fact that they have to set up the 'stage'.
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Takes a lot of balls to say that Norm Duke is going to bash a player because he represents a different company than him. Angelo is a great bowler, but he didn't make the right choices today at all. It doesn't take a professional bowler to see that. I'm not going to sit here and comment on what he should have done, but I'm sure if he had to do it again, he would do something completely different. And by the way, thanks for "tellin me" as Brunswick Lefty says you did.
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Post by: Joe Jr on January 28, 2007, 04:13:17 PM
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LongRoller
When you have 2 individuals that are affiliated with a competing company, that did not compete during the week, as well as extremely opinionated, YES.
George
Yes it has become common due to the fact that they have to set up the 'stage'.
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Takes a lot of balls to say that Norm Duke is going to bash a player because he represents a different company than him. Angelo is a great bowler, but he didn't make the right choices today at all. It doesn't take a professional bowler to see that. I'm not going to sit here and comment on what he should have done, but I'm sure if he had to do it again, he would do something completely different. And by the way, thanks for "tellin me" as Brunswick Lefty says you did.
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Post by: Long Roller on January 28, 2007, 04:15:35 PM
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Post by: J_L_B on January 28, 2007, 04:52:18 PM
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Post by: morpheus on January 28, 2007, 05:10:31 PM
Post by: J_L_B on January 28, 2007, 05:14:44 PM
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So he's not on his A game but makes the show by ripping the shot apart ALL week?
Also.. if he thought he was defeated after 4 frames.. NO ONE can say that isn't a sign of weakness and amateurity. That's something Steve Rodgers should have felt... not someone that has been on tv for now 13 times. If so.. There have been newcomers to have more composure.. and that's just horrid when looking at him.
I mean... I like Brad's game.. I like the company he throws, and I think he has a great roll.. but today.. the only word that explains it is "wow."
He could have easily been on his "A" during the week and then just not feel as good on Sunday. He hadn't bowled on that shot since Friday night. Just my observations.
There's also something to be said about his record on TV. Sure he's been there 13 times or so. Has we won? No. Has he gotten the breaks on TV? No. Have his opponents severely out-averaged him? Yes.
These past experiences can and probably do affect his thoughts and emotions while on TV. This could easily lead to him feeling defeated as though he's thinking.."What the hell do I have to do to win on TV???"
Post by: J_L_B on January 28, 2007, 05:15:53 PM
Post by: agroves on January 28, 2007, 05:33:17 PM
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The pair did not play like they did all week; the fronts went and the backs tightened up. How would you have played them?
[armchair bowler on]
I sure as hell wouldn't have thrown 7 balls through the beak. At some point I would have tried to speed things up some.
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When you have 2 individuals that are affiliated with a competing company, that did not compete during the week, as well as extremely opinionated, YES.
I find this statement "amateurish". Whether or not Duke competed during the week or not, I'm 100% sure he is qualified to make comments on the pattern and how to play it.
With all that said, everybody has bad days. Unfortunetly for Brad, his seem to come on Sundays.
In my topic:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=151632&ForumID=86&CategoryID=5]
guzmand makes a very valid point, maybe that timing step just isn't good for a one game win or go home situation.
I'll be in my chair..........
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Post by: agroves on January 28, 2007, 06:07:51 PM
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If you're referring to that pause, he's been bowling like that for 20 years. I'd think it'd be kind of hard to stop doing that in the middle of a match.
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I agree. I was piggy backing on guzmands comments, that maybe it works as good as anything else in long formats, but maybe a long term change is needed to help with those one game matches.
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Post by: MegaMav on January 28, 2007, 06:33:49 PM
With that aggressive equipment, i probably would have made a 10 board move left, and targeted the friction spot downlane, which appeared to be the 5 board at about 45 feet.
But, what do I know, I'm not on tour.
Post by: kmanestor22 on January 28, 2007, 08:06:20 PM
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Post by: leftehh- LG on January 28, 2007, 08:12:22 PM
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Also Ric H. said something about him using the Smokin' all week....why was he trying to use a Fury and Total???
promotion duh!
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Post by: YeahHossNV on January 28, 2007, 08:33:46 PM
Norm and Randy didn't bowl on the pattern at all and to tell you the truth didn't really watch that much. Both of them throw a different company and have vastly different rolls than Brad so they can't really read his transition the way he can. There were also no other righties to compare lines with. And I find it Amateurish for Norm and Randy to think that Brad didn't try to break down the lane at all. It's not like Brad went out there and was just like whatever I'm not going to try.
You can't compare Walter success in all lefty field with Brads. Walter likes most patterns on the fresh. Brads ball will always be more sideways out of the pattern than Walters so Brad doesn't like the fresh as much. It would have been there had been another righty on the show to blend the pattern out things might have been a little different.
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Post by: MegaMav on January 28, 2007, 10:24:40 PM
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I will disagree with you on this. In bowling the PBA Patterns if you had a decent look, one of the best ways to keep with the shot is to make your adjustments fron to back with speed and hand changes. With the breakdown of the patterns no move in or out is guaranteed.
I'm not in any way saying Brad made the right choices, but to make such a statement as "speeding up the ball on tour doesn't work" is just foolish.
I would much rather try and stay into the consistent track area.
you will bullhead yourself home with that approach.
move or lose, its your choice, its match play, not a 36 game qualifier.
that line wasnt working for him AT ALL, straight up shot cuts over, bounce out shot slides, how does speed fix anything?
He had the surface to make the turn on a deeper line.
If you screw around with a speed much higher than your normal speed, you're going to mess with your mechanics as well, especially mid game.
That approach is normally "installed" as a game plan, not plan D.
Post by: MegaMav on January 28, 2007, 10:36:54 PM
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Poor choice of an example.
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Post by: Mvpbowler on January 28, 2007, 11:36:20 PM
In his defense pros can have a bad day too everyone! They aren't able to strike and shoot 240 every game. Sometimes even 190 is a big game for them!
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Post by: DP3 on January 29, 2007, 09:55:34 AM
There's A LOT of wrong information in this thread, about tour players, conditions, and combating them. Please take the comments you've read so far with a grain of salt.
Maybe I'll elaborate later, if I have the time or the will.
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Post by: leftehh- LG on January 29, 2007, 01:56:04 PM
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Post by: BackToBasics on January 29, 2007, 02:36:21 PM
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If you remember, Rash threw the Mammoth all week during matchplay when he won, but come show he threw the Total.. he did shoot 279, but since he's that amazing he can bowl with anything. Now Angleo throws the Smokin' in match play but goes to highend stuff on the show. I feel there is something there, but I'm not going to start anything.
No Rash didn't. He used the Mammoth early for a few games but once the lanes transitioned (i.e the fronts went and you had more oil downlane) he switched to the Total. The TV lights and also the amount of practice on the pair can have a dramatic affect on the equipment choices. Heavy load particle wasn't the right choice on the TV pair.
Post by: BrunsBob on January 30, 2007, 07:39:13 AM
They ran the lanes for the show, didn't like the graph, so they decided to run them again. The lane machine they used for all the match rounds brokedown in the second run so they had to get the second machine and run them AGAIN. One of the machines had a new buffer, one had an much more used one. Even know they strip each time, lanes constantly get slicker with each run. Now combine that with a pattern (38 feet) that plays tighter in the 18-38 foot section than it does in the front and you have a condition were the ball doesn't read the lane at all, OR if you do get it to read at all, it's in the front and never makes it to the breakpoint.
The Smokin' he had used was basically turned into a spare ball on that. Neither the Total nor the Fury would hook from where he played ALL week. AND YES, regardless of what Randy and Norm said, Brad spent 20-30 minutes trying to develop some kind of ball reaction in the area he needed to play. All this did on that pattern was blow up the heads....and the lane just got tighter downlane. Once that occured, Brad's armswing got tight, as would 99.7% of bowlers out there.
I've been there (it's been awhile), an it ain't fun. Not that y'all care to hear old war stories, but I'll share this one. In 92' I led the stop in Sacremento and the next 6 spots were lefties. Of course this meant I was the only righty on the show. The lefties started out a little slow, but with every game there side got better and better. Now I'm bowling Scroggins for the title and I have absolutely nothing compared to what I bowled on all week. Before the TV day, this was absolultely the best I had ever bowled. Based on the lanes, there was not supposed to be a righty on that show....and I led. Well, I got RUN OVER by Scroggs before I even knew what hit me...and it was over. I watched that show days later and couldn't believe how bad I looked. All the "armchair critics" that are sharing their opinions today would have had a field day with me on that show. ALL WITHOUT MERIT, just like now with Brad.
Sorry to ramble, and thanks for all of you that made it through this whole post. For those that think they know what Brad should have done, collect more data before forming your opinion. I hate to sound harsh, but these types of threads get me worked up. I don't care if it's a Storm guy, Columbia guy, Ebonite guy, or our guy, I've felt their pain on the lanes and I can't stand when Joe Public thinks they know what would have worked. Ya don't. Sorry if that's harsh, but you really don't know unless you experience it out there.
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Post by: applegam on January 30, 2007, 07:43:49 AM