Post by: chitown on March 07, 2008, 02:36:50 AM
Post by: KDawg77 on March 07, 2008, 10:41:51 AM
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Post by: chitown on March 07, 2008, 10:43:32 AM
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brunswick hasnt made lane 1 covers for awhile!!!! 900 global makes the Lane 1 covers now!
I didn't know that. That explains why the anger towards the Lane 1 brand. I guess it's because they jumped ship. I knew there were talks about Lane 1 going elsewhere but thought that fell thru.
Post by: chitown on March 07, 2008, 10:44:09 AM
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Yep, when Brunswick went to Mexico, Lane #1 wanted to stay "made in USA" so they contracted with Columbia 300 and when C300 was bought by Ebonite, Lane #1 had to look elsewhere and ended up with 900 Global.
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Who pours Global 900 covers?
Post by: renoatpikeville on March 07, 2008, 10:46:00 AM
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Yep, when Brunswick went to Mexico, Lane #1 wanted to stay "made in USA" so they contracted with Columbia 300 and when C300 was bought by Ebonite, Lane #1 had to look elsewhere and ended up with 900 Global.
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False.
Mexico wasn't the reason Lane #1 left them!
What was the reason...?
Edited on 3/7/2008 11:54 AM
Post by: Bigmike on March 07, 2008, 10:46:44 AM
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Post by: DanH78 on March 07, 2008, 10:47:58 AM
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Who pours Global 900 covers?
900 Global.
When Ebonite bought Columbia 300/Track/Dynothane, they moved all production to Kentucky. When Phil started the new company, he bought the Columbia 300 plant in Texas.
900 Global pours their own stuff, they licensed the AMF name, therefore they do all the AMF stuff, and Global is the vendor that pours Lane #1.
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Post by: KDawg77 on March 07, 2008, 10:48:08 AM
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Post by: renoatpikeville on March 07, 2008, 10:50:17 AM
Post by: KDawg77 on March 07, 2008, 10:51:59 AM
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Post by: renoatpikeville on March 07, 2008, 10:53:55 AM
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I asked a question. Care to answer? I thought Big B moving was the reason, but you said it wasn't. I just want to know.
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I don't know...I was asking chris-m who said that...
Post by: tah161 on March 07, 2008, 10:53:57 AM
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Unfortunately I'm held to secreacy...
but I am honestly not lying when I say that Mexico isn't the reason..
The only way you'd find out if someone from Brunswick of Lane #1 said it, since I know I won't.
this is the dumbest think I ever heard.
I have this big secret and Im going to tell everyone I have a big secret but Im not going to tell them what it is.
Edited on 3/7/2008 4:56 PM
Post by: renoatpikeville on March 07, 2008, 10:55:38 AM
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Lol, I honestly can't say.
If I were to, I would possibly get fired from my job.
Edited on 3/7/2008 11:55 AM
You must work for Lane 1...right?
Post by: KDawg77 on March 07, 2008, 10:59:32 AM
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Edited on 3/7/2008 12:03 PM
Post by: renoatpikeville on March 07, 2008, 11:02:02 AM
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Was PM'ed some info from a very trusted source on this board that some quality issues involving short and double pins. Remember when Nick has a problem with his Solid Uraniums before he did the CG video with the HRGs?
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Kdawg,
I am not claiming that I know the reason why...I quoted chris_m and asked him what the reason was. To which he said that he was sworn to secretcy.
Post by: KDawg77 on March 07, 2008, 11:03:50 AM
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Edited on 3/7/2008 12:52 PM
Post by: HamPster on March 07, 2008, 11:50:35 AM
Yeah, they make good equipment, I used to throw them, had 15+ balls once upon a time, and they were good, but not noticeably better than any other company. The bottom line is that cg doesn't matter, because as soon as you put holes in a ball, the cg location changes, not to mention you can easily change cg location with hole placement, and static weights don't matter because 1 ounce here or there isn't going to affect a 240 ounce ball. They're preaching false information as gospel, and it's leading to the confusion or miseducation of all kinds of people. Since I ditched all those theories and started listening to my pro shop guy among other people, my ball reaction with new equipment is so much better than anything I ever drilled for myself with those old theories. He can absolutely nail a reaction for me, whereas I wasn't able to do that with the cg and static weight stuff. Drilling stuff the correct way, among thoughts and suggestions as well, has raised my composite average 10 pins from last year.
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Post by: jls on March 07, 2008, 12:07:43 PM
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The Brunswick guys aren't bashing the brand, it's the whole cg and static weights argument. Lane 1 is convinced they matter, and Brunswick knows they don't. That was the theory 20 years ago. Things have changed, and Lane 1 is still stuck in the past. Then of course there's the whole egotistical way Lane 1 has presented themselves as the best ever, their diamond cores are completely revolutionary, their balls hit harder than any other company, and they claim that bowling with their stuff will raise your average 10 pins.
Yeah, they make good equipment, I used to throw them, had 15+ balls once upon a time, and they were good, but not noticeably better than any other company. The bottom line is that cg doesn't matter, because as soon as you put holes in a ball, the cg location changes, not to mention you can easily change cg location with hole placement, and static weights don't matter because 1 ounce here or there isn't going to affect a 240 ounce ball. They're preaching false information as gospel, and it's leading to the confusion or miseducation of all kinds of people. Since I ditched all those theories and started listening to my pro shop guy among other people, my ball reaction with new equipment is so much better than anything I ever drilled for myself with those old theories. He can absolutely nail a reaction for me, whereas I wasn't able to do that with the cg and static weight stuff. Drilling stuff the correct way, among thoughts and suggestions as well, has raised my composite average 10 pins from last year.
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What, what, what are you saying. The diamond core that they have used in their balls, is not the best?????
What's, what's what's next? No tooth fairy, Pigs can fly?
What's the difference from a lane one ball made in 1994, compared to a Lane One ball made now?
The one made now, cost more.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on March 07, 2008, 12:28:20 PM
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The Brunswick guys aren't bashing the brand, it's the whole cg and static weights argument. Lane 1 is convinced they matter, and Brunswick knows they don't.
So then tell me Hampster, if that is the reason for all of Brunswick's bashing of Lane 1, why do they even bother to do that? Why does Brunswick even care if Lane 1 thinks the CG matters? Why is this a problem with Brunswick?
If Brunswick wants to believe the CG DOESN'T matter, there is nothing wrong for them believing that. If Lane 1 wants to believe that CG DOES matter, there is nothing wrong with them believing that either. Lane 1 doesn't initiate the subject and attack Brunswick because Brunswick believes the CG doesn't matter, so why does Brunswick initiate the subject and attack Lane 1 because Lane 1 believes the CG does matter?
To sum it up, Why does Brunswick care what Lane 1 believes?.... Why?
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Post by: laddog54 on March 07, 2008, 12:49:38 PM
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my vote for president is green nikes
Post by: chitown on March 07, 2008, 01:09:51 PM
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The Brunswick guys aren't bashing the brand, it's the whole cg and static weights argument. Lane 1 is convinced they matter, and Brunswick knows they don't. That was the theory 20 years ago. Things have changed, and Lane 1 is still stuck in the past. Then of course there's the whole egotistical way Lane 1 has presented themselves as the best ever, their diamond cores are completely revolutionary, their balls hit harder than any other company, and they claim that bowling with their stuff will raise your average 10 pins.
Yeah, they make good equipment, I used to throw them, had 15+ balls once upon a time, and they were good, but not noticeably better than any other company. The bottom line is that cg doesn't matter, because as soon as you put holes in a ball, the cg location changes, not to mention you can easily change cg location with hole placement, and static weights don't matter because 1 ounce here or there isn't going to affect a 240 ounce ball. They're preaching false information as gospel, and it's leading to the confusion or miseducation of all kinds of people. Since I ditched all those theories and started listening to my pro shop guy among other people, my ball reaction with new equipment is so much better than anything I ever drilled for myself with those old theories. He can absolutely nail a reaction for me, whereas I wasn't able to do that with the cg and static weight stuff. Drilling stuff the correct way, among thoughts and suggestions as well, has raised my composite average 10 pins from last year.
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I'm sorry but I still don't understand why many go onto there forum and even bring up the statics debate in posts that are not even about that?
All ball company's say they have the best equipment out there, so it's not just Lane 1.
I still base my ball reactions from the pin position which is old school thinking? I also use the MB location. If im using a symmetrical ball, I place the pin in a location I like and kick the CG to almost 1oz if im not using a balance hole. Does that side weight make a difference? Maybe or maybe not, who cares? In case it does make a difference, it's kicked right. Now this is just me but obviously others think different.
I don't mind a debate about drilling and what not. I just think it ruins a post if that's not what the post is about. I was reading thru some of the LANE 1 posts and trying to sort thru all the balance hole debate replies even though it's not what the original post is about. Why don't all of you guys just make a post about the CG debate and keep all the stuff on that.
Edited on 3/7/2008 2:32 PM
Post by: HamPster on March 07, 2008, 01:24:54 PM
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The Brunswick guys aren't bashing the brand, it's the whole cg and static weights argument. Lane 1 is convinced they matter, and Brunswick knows they don't.
So then tell me Hampster, if that is the reason for all of Brunswick's bashing of Lane 1, why do they even bother to do that? Why does Brunswick even care if Lane 1 thinks the CG matters? Why is this a problem with Brunswick?
If Brunswick wants to believe the CG DOESN'T matter, there is nothing wrong for them believing that. If Lane 1 wants to believe that CG DOES matter, there is nothing wrong with them believing that either. Lane 1 doesn't initiate the subject and attack Brunswick because Brunswick believes the CG doesn't matter, so why does Brunswick initiate the subject and attack Lane 1 because Lane 1 believes the CG does matter?
To sum it up, Why does Brunswick care what Lane 1 believes?.... Why?
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Post by: laddog54 on March 07, 2008, 01:34:10 PM
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my vote for president is green nikes
Post by: Moe on March 07, 2008, 02:28:26 PM
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Post by: Verbs on March 07, 2008, 02:44:22 PM
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Answer: because it is the internet.
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Post by: Joe Jr on March 07, 2008, 04:23:58 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on March 07, 2008, 10:32:57 PM
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There are a TON of people out there that have problems with Lane 1, not just Brunswick and it's users. And most of the problems are not with the company itself, it's the people who apparently represent the company on these forums.
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????? A comment so unintelligent it is almost laughable. Most of the brunswick reps or the wannabe brunswick reps are the ones that start the ridiculing and bashing 99% of the time, and yet when someone questions brunswick for some strange reason they feel they are being picked on. Taking a look at your former user names I can almost understand how your statement makes sense in your mind.
Hey thanks for the "insult" about me in your signature Joe I just considered the source so it doesn't hurt to bad, but it obviously shows a lot about your character and morals. You fit in perfectly here in the brunswick forum since you bash and ridicule with the best of them .
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Ahh The "Truth" right on cue. I'm absolutely convinced that your hatred towards anything Brunswick has completely clouded your mind to the point that you hear and see whatever you want. I don't defend any of the bashing that goes on here, whether it be by Brunswick people or not, both sides have there hands dirty here. But since you have some serious issues with Brunswick it's easy for you overlook insults thrown around by T-God that most of the time is the one that takes the first swing.
I'd seriously like to know what Brunswick has done to you to get this deep under your skin, I mean it's at the point where all you do is troll around these forums and wait for a chance to bash them, you post NOWHERE else.
Oh and about my signature...I speak the truth, maybe it's you can't handle it. You've been throwing insults at me for months but when I return the favor, I"M the bad guy, the Brunswick "follower" and i'm picking on poor little helpless "Truth"...
Yawn, Your act is getting old.
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Post by: Kevspins2 on March 07, 2008, 11:51:49 PM
no one has the best balls, well except dynothane (lol I kid I kid) everyone has a different favorite ball, a favorite drilling, and favorite finger tip grip, a favorite cleaner... because NO TWO bowlers bowling the same way, have the same quarks, the same release, the same stamina, the same mental game, and that's what makes bowling fun.
that is why we will always have to debate about which company makes the best ball/core/coverstock. because no two balls are alike and no ball is the best for everyone.
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Edited on 3/26/2008 10:02 PM
Post by: Joe Jr on March 08, 2008, 10:11:39 AM
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LOL Joe I found your bashing comical, please don't think I was complaining or crying about it like I said earlier I just considered the source. You might agree with brunswicks move to Mexico and the way their reps act and treat other companies as well as individuals here, I don't know or care if you do or not but there are a LOT of us that don't. I'm wrong because I don't agree with their actions and chose to voice my opinion? Obviously somehow in your mind that answer is yes which is clear to see in your replies. As far as the Lane 1 guys and the brunswick boys issues with each other, when you have one certain individual that continues to go into the other forum just to provoke and agitate what do you think is going to happen? Usually when a dog gets mad enough he will bite and that seems to be the case to me in this situation. Please let me know if my opinion on this matter is wrong as I'm sure you will.
Yep same old routine, poor little "Truth" is getting picked on because he's voicing his opinions. How in that tiny very confused mind of yours is what you do on here considered voicing your opinion? All you do is bash and ridicule, you bring up Brunswick's problems in every thread in the forum.
Here's some nice examples of you "voicing your opinion";
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=187661&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
^^ Very helpful on that one
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=188143&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
^^Someone else looking for a suggestion and you bring up quality problems. Just looking out for the guy huh?
That's just a quick search, I did not find one post from you not directly Brunswick related.
But your not the bad guy, your just poor little "Truth" getting picked on by everyone including big bad mean me. You seriously need to get your head looked at because something ain't right up there.
I'm done arguing with you, someone in such serious need of medication is not worth the effort or time.
PS - Feel free to do a search on me and you'll notice that I don't bash other people or companies on here, your the only one I have a problem with.
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Post by: T-GOD on March 09, 2008, 07:20:53 PM
quote:Brunswick should be concerned because they are the ones screwing it up. They started it with the PHANTOM ball drillings and the BALL OF THE MONTH CLUB..!!
Because Brunswick is concerned about the current state of the game and the spreading of inaccurate information that contributes to the further spreading of it, creating ignorant bowlers and pro shop operators.
quote:I'm sorry, but Brunswick doesn't care about getting things right. See below...
Brunswick is concerned with getting things right, and educating people with the correct information.
Ric...
quote:Lane #1 guys don't follow around the Brunswick guys. It's completely the opposite. Brunswick guys are the ones who started it all and continue to do it.
the Lane #1 guys that hide behind screen names, follow those around and make sure to post about how what Brunswick say is BS. I do not hide behind a screen name. I say what I say and I can back it up.
I don't ever say that what Brunswick says is BS. It's the other way around..!! And, when Brunswick/their reps say something that is BS and/or wrong, I only call them on it. And you my friend, just run and hide. You're too holier than thou to admit the mistake..!! Does this sound like they care about GETTING THINGS RIGHT..? Ric, Would you like me to go back and bring your errors up again..?
quote:Here is you tossing out jabs to Lane #1 everytime in your signature. That's what all the Brunswick guys do and SHOWS NO CLASS..!!
"The effect of static weights, in ball reaction, is the equivalent of removing the floor mats, from your SUV, to get better gas mileage."
Plus, the one you have makes no sense and just shows everyone how stupid you people really are..!!
Your signature should say..."The effect of static weights, in ball reaction, is the equivalent of placing 1/2 oz. weights on rims to balance the wheels."
Maybe I'll start using it..? =:^D
quote:Lane #1 is more concerned about educating people with correct information. The correct information is that it does matter to some degree and Lane #1 will teach you how to use it and make it work for you, for the extra 2-3-5% you will benefit. Brunswick is the one that doesn't want this info to get out and are keeping the pro shops uneducated..!! =:^D
Lane 1 is concerned with hype and a lot of flashy advertisement and bragging, Brunswick is concerned with getting things right, and educating people with the correct information.
Edited on 3/9/2008 7:23 PM
Post by: T-GOD on March 09, 2008, 08:32:01 PM
quote:Brunswick guys are the ones who started follwoing Lane #1 guys around. Get your facts straight. I don't post about that what brunswick says is BS. I just post WHEN BRUNSWICK SAYS BS..!!
the Lane #1 guys follow those around and make sure to post about how what Brunswick say is BS.
quote:I follow you around to make sure of this. But, you make way too many mistakes, so I must correct them or the bowling world will be in big trouble.
Brunswick is concerned with getting things right, and educating people with the correct information.
quote:Then why is it when I call you on an error you've made, you just run and hide..? Also, why aren't you man enough to admit you've errored and acknowledge it..?
I say what I say and I can back it up.
quote:It obviously does with you guys. You worry about everything we say. You guys are in our forum all the time. Whenever Lane #1 speaks, you guys are there listening. For some reason, you don't like what we say. And then argue about it..!!
World does not revolve around Lane #1.
quote:So then why do you care so much about what we say..? We're just the little guy on the totum pole. =:^D
Lane #1 follows, distantly I might add, Brunswick in sales.
Edited on 3/9/2008 8:34 PM
Post by: Verbs on March 09, 2008, 08:46:18 PM
http://www.ebonite.com/techcenter/roleofthecg.php
Verbs
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Post by: T-GOD on March 09, 2008, 10:39:31 PM
Effects of static weights are as follows:
Positive side weight
Increase amount of hook
Negative side weight
Decrease amount of hook
Finger weight
Delays breakpoint
Thumb weight
Causes an earlier breakpoint
Higher topweight
Delays breakpoint, creates sharper backend
Lower topweight
Causes an earlier breakpoint, creates smoother backend
=:^D
Post by: T-GOD on March 09, 2008, 11:08:55 PM
Here is another outside source, Visionary...
http://www.visionarybowling.com/drillOGRE.html
Step #3 - Balance Hole Location
The weight hole should be placed to obtain the desired static weights. Although many people believe static weights don't matter any more this is not true. The weights in a ball can have a big effect. The reason they aren't treated the same as with older, more conventional balls is because - as the balls flare, the weight locations relative to the axis and track migrate. What might start as top weight may become side weight depending on the person and layout, etc. The complexity of the flare and axis migration is too much to explain here but understand that two balls with identical layouts will have different reactions if their static weights are different. Weight holes placed off the axis can exaggerate the differential that causes the flare and may make the ball livelier. If you have certain weights in other balls that produce good reactions for you then you should try to match the layouts with what works for your game. What is great for one bowler may be terrible for another.
=:^D
Post by: Verbs on March 09, 2008, 11:12:45 PM
Then copy & paste the whole thing. Not just what you want. This is what t-god didn't bring over from the Ebonite website:
"As the core's RG differential gets larger (ABC maximum is .080), the effects of static weights lessen. Lower differential cores, like 3 piece pancake cores (Maxims and Gyros), are affected greater by static weights. I have met precious few bowlers that can tell the difference between a ball with 1-ounce negative side weight versus 1 ounce of positive side, especially with today's modern core dynamics and constructions. We have done CATS testing on the ball's overall reaction with different static weights and the results showed no measurable difference of ball reaction. There were far greater reaction differences involved by the bowler's inconsistency of ball speed, rev rate, axis rotation and tilt. The greatest reaction differences came when altering the surface friction of the coverstock."
While the difference in statics may not be absolutely zero, the difference is very small. Once you factor in all the other variables that is listed on Ebonite's website, plus the everchanging lane conditions, the difference shrinks even further.
Personally, I think we have all spent way too much time on this.
Can't we all just say we agree to disagree and let our respective results speak for themselves.
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Thanks verbs just checked to see what's on there and took this off Ebo's website...
Effects of static weights are as follows:
Positive side weight
Increase amount of hook
Negative side weight
Decrease amount of hook
Finger weight
Delays breakpoint
Thumb weight
Causes an earlier breakpoint
Higher topweight
Delays breakpoint, creates sharper backend
Lower topweight
Causes an earlier breakpoint, creates smoother backend
=:^D
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Edited on 3/9/2008 11:14 PM
Post by: Verbs on March 09, 2008, 11:31:22 PM
There are rumors floating that the USBC is going to eliminate the static weight rule in the future. When that happens, you may just see that happen.
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Better yet, a company that believes cgnomaddah.. I want them to bring out a ball with no cg marking and advertise it that way and see how it sells. Otherwise, cg matters!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: T-GOD on March 09, 2008, 11:32:44 PM
You can use a different pin position to change the differential. But now, you can FINE TUNE the reaction, similar to they way you do with weight holes, by re-positioning the ending CG/changing the static weights.
For whatever reason, you guys just want to ignore static weights all together. If you understood how they work and how the ending CG moves and it's position in relation to the PAP and/or to the PSA and/or to the Mass Bias marking, you will then truly get 100% of the ball total potential.
Do you think NASCAR drivers would want a 2% or whatever, boost in power if they can get it..?
Why don't you want to get this boost in your bowling ball if you can..? Please explain this to us. =:^D
Post by: Mike Austin on March 09, 2008, 11:33:31 PM
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I'm sure Lane #1 jumped ship because of the poor quality control.
Nick demonstrated how poor the quality being produced truly was with his videos of teh Cg nomadah. That wasn't an isolated incident.
I'm sure most companies that care about their customers and want to stand behind their product would look elsewhere.
Ric - I'm not hiding behind any screen name. I'm not Lane #1, but I'd invest my money and have in their product long before putting a penny into a Brunswick product ever again.
Nick trolls around the Lane #1 forums hijacking topics and skewing the focus off what the topic was created for. The rest of the Brunswick faithful join right in.
Deadmoney, when you troll, could you use correct information?
The Lane 1 HRG bowling balls used in Nick's videos were not made by Brunswick. The HRG's were one of the first balls made by Columbia for Lane #1.
As far as Brunswick Q control and Lane 1, I know my sales of Lane 1 balls went down when they stopped using Brunswick covers. I myself liked the Lane 1 balls made by Brunswick. The HRG was not one of them, though a decent ball in it's own right.
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Post by: Verbs on March 10, 2008, 12:05:38 AM
As I stated above. Can't we just agree to disagree?!?
You are NEVER going to convince me that, within USBC legal limits, you can PREDICTABLY increase my carry through the manipulation of the statics.
Nor am I going to convince you that statics mean virtually nothing in overall ball reaction, hitting power and carry.
I'm willing to let it go and, as I stated above, agree to disagree.
Verbs
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Post by: T-GOD on March 10, 2008, 12:17:09 AM
Are you changing the statics in the ball with this type of hole..? Yes or No..?
Are you changing the weight block shape/core shape..? Yes or No..?
Please don't run and hide... =:^D
Post by: T-GOD on March 10, 2008, 12:22:57 AM
Oh you mean these?
www.brunsnick.com/buzz2.jpg
www.brunsnick.com/buzz3.jpg
www.brunsnick.com/buzz4.jpg
I'll never know why this happened. My only guess is a factory worker "creating" longer pins to fill a quota.
=:^D
Post by: BrunsNick on March 10, 2008, 03:26:25 AM
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As well as following my posts, Lane #1 follows, distantly I might add, Brunswick in sales.
Wow, now THAT is the funniest thing I've read in a while.
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Post by: Sir Track on March 10, 2008, 03:40:47 AM
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Unfortunately I'm held to secreacy...
but I am honestly not lying when I say that Mexico isn't the reason..
The only way you'd find out if someone from Brunswick of Lane #1 said it, since I know I won't.
I can also confirm that Mexico was´ent the reason
Post by: sdbowler on March 10, 2008, 04:57:12 AM
As far as the whole argument cg, static weights, or whatever if they matter who cares. Everyone will believe what they want to believe. This is no different then Ford guys saying they are the best because of X, and Chevy guys saying they are the best because X is a joke and Z is better. Lane #1 guys will think what they want to and Brunswick will think what they want to so on and so on. There are 3 pages in this forum of back and forth and 6 pages in another one over in the Lane #1 area going back and forth. LEt's do waht Verbs said and agree to disagree and let it go. Part of the reason why I joined this site years ago was because of the GOOD bowling info that was being posted, none of the we believe this and if you don't believe you are wrong stuff. I have said it many times when it comes to bowling I am not the smartest person so I have no say in any of this. Let's let it go and get back to helping other bowlers out.
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Edited on 3/10/2008 4:57 AM
Post by: Verbs on March 10, 2008, 05:36:23 AM
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Verbs, if you put a hole in the ball and don't hit the core, are you going to get a different ball reaction..? Yes or No..? depends on the size and depth of the hole.
Are you changing the statics in the ball with this type of hole..? Yes or No..? yes
Are you changing the weight block shape/core shape..? Yes or No..? Again depends on the size and depth of the hole.
Please don't run and hide... =:^D
I am not hiding. I am just tired of beating a dead horse. If you beleive that statics, within USBC regualtions, can increase your carry, change ball reaction, etc., then fine. I don't agree with you, but beleive what you want.
As I stated before, you are NEVER going to convince me that your can PREDICTABLY increase my carry by manipulating statics within USBC regulations.
I have better things to do with my time than try and convince you that I/we are correct.
If you don't have better things to do with YOUR time, than I truly feel sorry for you.
Verbs
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Larry Verble
Post by: Verbs on March 10, 2008, 08:15:14 AM
Doesn't matter who it is anymore. I am done.
We all know what we beleive and have hard data on. Plus, the success we have all had either individually, with high profile players and with customers. I say let's just let the sales of Brunswick produced products and Ebonite produced products speak for themselves.
It would seem strange to me that the 2 companies with the highest budget for Research & Development, and have spent countless hours testing this, would be wrong.
Have a great day!!!
Verbs
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Larry Verble
Post by: laddog54 on March 10, 2008, 11:17:56 AM
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my vote for president is green nikes
Post by: sdbowler on March 10, 2008, 03:19:11 PM
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Kyle
Post by: Mike Austin on March 10, 2008, 06:06:23 PM
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Hey Sixcranker I only think Mike Austin is half sexy, but I am legally blind in one eye so i could be missing something. Hey Mike Charles shot 805 with the Black Diamond you so loved to drill. We also go a SD73 hope it does't need a weight hole with our revs I think we could get it to flare over it LOL.
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my vote for president is green nikes
I am glad SOMEONE is listening to me. Everyone else just wants to discuss Brunswick and Lane 1.....when will they learn that Mike Austin is the face of bowling?!
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Would guys STHU!! You are killing me! I'm not the least bit sexy to anyone on this planet, ask my wife!!
BTW, for those that don't know, I know Sixkiller. He does not have a man crush, he just likes pulling my chain. He is much bigger than me, so I have to just go with it. I just hope none of the guys at the prison where he works are able to read this stuff.
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Post by: BrunsNick on March 10, 2008, 06:17:55 PM
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Post by: sdbowler on March 10, 2008, 09:22:15 PM
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Kyle
Post by: laddog54 on March 11, 2008, 10:23:23 AM
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my vote for president is green nikes
Post by: Mike Austin on March 11, 2008, 12:16:41 PM
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Mikey does own pugs and it's an insult to the pugs to say they look like their owner. Hey there is nothing wrong with a mancrush. You can have a crush on a woman that takes your money at home why not a man who keeps taking your money on the lanes.
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my vote for president is green nikes
Two minor comments: He is right, the Pugs are better looking. Remington even calls himself "Big Handsome". And, I don't take anyone's money on the lanes, nobody likes to gamble in OK. No sidebets, brackets, hi game pots, nothing. 19 teams too. I guess third comment. I wouldn't bowl my buddy Six. If/when I beat him, he might stop fixing my computer, no way I can risk that!
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Post by: Brickguy221 on March 11, 2008, 05:53:10 PM
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Boulevard is the first center I have been to that doesn't run brackets or anything.
Six, there is a reason for that.....It cost so much to bowl there that after most people pay for their bowling, they have no money left to gamble or bet in side pots.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on March 11, 2008, 06:22:11 PM
I know practice is more than double at Blvd. from what it cost me at Heritage. I practiced 2 games after Anne Marie installed a custon slug in my Twisted Fury Friday afternoon, to see how it worked and it cost me $1.28 a game more at Blvd. than it would have cost at Heritage plus Heritage has better lanes and doesn't damage balls nearly as bad as Blvd.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on March 12, 2008, 12:12:33 AM
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Never really had to pay for practice at Blvd.
You were getting free practice????
Up until this year when I quit bowling there because of the way Ronnie was running the place, I have bowled there every year since approx 1978-1979 and have had to pay for every game I ever bowled in that place.
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