I have to disagree with your opinion on a bowler needing speed or no revs. I throw the ball around 16mph and even though I dont know my rev rate, I would say I get at least 10-11 turns. I used my Mammoth in out of box surface on oil and if you look at my post I would say it matched up OK. My ball was drilled 4x4 with the pin 2 inches above the mid line. The ball rolled very well on a shot I couldn't get my Robo Rule to move on in the past.

Shipper[/quote]

Okay Shipper,

I will agree with you, as long as you've got HEAVY OIL. But most everyone is adjusting the surface on this one to make it fit their game better, but apparently not you, that's okay.
Getting a ball to move, and getting a ball to hit and carry corners are sometimes two different things, though. Mine hit harder after smoothing it out a bit, that's all.
But make no mistake, the Mammoth is designed for lots of oil!!!!!
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Laneman

In OOB condition the Hawgzilla is not an oiler. Medium Heavy at best. The mamoth is a good oiler for the right player (speed dominant, low revs, low track or you are on a true flood) but, I personally think if you are not that kind of player, there are better options on the market such as a Schorchin, Utimate, etc.

Edited on 2/16/2007 10:51 AM