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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: kidlost2000 on May 17, 2014, 07:23:29 PM
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Low battery so I only got in a few shots while getting warmed up. Not bowled in three weeks so the rust is awesome.
Ball is drilled 70 x 2.5" x 50 with a x-hole 2" down my val. Ball is stronger then expected but something I am very pleased with. Likely to add a second one later.
Great ball to have with either the Red or the Platinum Ringer.
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Nice looking roll on that one.
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I am very confused in watching this ball!
I believe this video is the reason why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwsecX7UGHs
This ball is titled low friction solid coverstock. It looks very grabby when seen in the friction in this video!
In your video kid it looks like much less friction sensitive. I am aware of the drilling differences. I wonder?
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Two completely different layouts.
I drilled mine with a shorter pin to pap to get the ball hooking sooner while continuing down lane. It does just that. Had I gone with a larger VAL and a 4.5-5.5" pin to pap the ball would be very long and very smooth on the back ends. All three Ringers are made to go long. If drilled identical I don't see there being a huge difference from one to the next.
This layout will give me a much better look on the fresher conditions.
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I don't think I did a great job asking my questions.
I noted the grabby look of the coverstock in the heads for the other video.
This for a noted as low friction.
Grabby as my eyes tell me? or Low friction coverstock as described by Brunswick
REgards,
Luckylefty
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It looks good in the other video to me.
Considering the style of bowler and where he is playing on the lane he has a pretty good look. The first shot he is standing in then keep moving further and further left into the friction.
The Melee with its super high polish finish is much cleaner then the Ringer at 500/2000. From what I saw in the video for the layout and line it looked as advertise. (to me anyways)
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LL, you have to realize that it's low friction compared to the other balls in the line. If you take a Melee and put it at 500/2000, it will hook quite a bit.
However, the Ringer series are still sleeper strong balls. Same as the LT-48. They are just much cleaner through the fronts but on majority of "house conditions" (I find it the same for tougher too with surface changes) they will react very well.
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I agree that the Ringer series features some great value pieces. Do you suppose that was intended by Brunswick, or they might have lucked out?
At any rate, my Platinum Ringer is drilled pin down and I've gone with 500/rough buff (since my rev rate is 418 rpm and ball speed ranges between 17.8 and 18.1 mph). This is the most versatile ball that I currently have in my bag.
My Burgundy Ringer is drilled pin up/strong and it's arguably as strong as my Meanstreak, which is drilled with a similar pin down pattern as my Platinum Ringer. I've noticed the Burgundy Ringer needs some hold even before I began preparing it with 500/rough buff. Otherwise, it can be a bit erratic once it hits friction particularly on a flat oil pattern.
I'm curious about the Royal Blue Solid because it appears to be something useful when bowling on fresh short to medium length sport patterns.
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Love the layout. Put that layout on my Grip-It and it's so smooth. A layout most people should have in the bag IMO.
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The layout has been amazing. Using the 2" to 2 3/4" pin to pap gets the ball to hook sooner and still have a great finish down lane. Normally the only way I could get a ball to start reading that earlier was with a LOT of surface which could cause the down lane to be iffy in some cases.
I have tried this layout or similar on a Motiv GT-1, Brunswick Revolver, Lethal Revolver, Slingshot, Beatdown, and the Solid Ringer. All have been really wonderful.
The DRILL angle is just to get the cg in a location to add a weight hole 1.5-2.25" down my val. The VAL angle in the 45-55 range. On heavier oil or even THS this really gives you a look with symmetric core balls that is really nice.
Talked my brother into this on a Beatdown before Nationals this year and he said it was perfect. It gave him a look and area he was not expecting for the oil.
The Ringer Solid is sneaky strong and on this layout really digs in. The Ringer line is no doubt the next step up in can't miss bang for the dollar from the Strike King line. I'm not saying that has a huge Brunswick/DV8/Radical fan, but as a consumer who works hard to have the equipment on hand that I do.
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Nice job, kid!
My MELEE is about a 2 1/2" pin and it's money. Eventually I need to put it away when the lanes open up a bunch, but I have a Platinum Ringer drilled stronger that fits there.
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Yeah, if you need a ball to tip hard, this isn't the layout you want lol. But ths and shots with dry to the right, its a great way to not cut the heads as much, and also not have transition punch you in the face.
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Kidlost,
I know you have a lot of contact with Mo Pinel. Is that his position that Drill angle on symmetrics doesn't matter?
It doesn't really appear from the drill sheets at Radical that his position is really that, but I would like to know more. Certain drillings seem to be ambiguous whether a weighthole will be necessary and yet different reaction characteristics are discussed.
Please advise?
REgards,
Luckylefty
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The Ringer Solid looks super smooth and even - perfect for fresh medium/dry patterns!
I also like the 2.5" layouts on low-mid range stuff for squaring up my angles when there is a little friction on both house patterns and playing outside on sport.
Kid, did you add any surface to your Ringer or is it in box finish? How does it compare to your Melee?
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Kidlost,
I know you have a lot of contact with Mo Pinel. Is that his position that Drill angle on symmetrics doesn't matter?
It doesn't really appear from the drill sheets at Radical that his position is really that, but I would like to know more. Certain drillings seem to be ambiguous whether a weighthole will be necessary and yet different reaction characteristics are discussed.
Please advise?
REgards,
Luckylefty
I have very little contact with Mo through bowlingchat or any other forum so I am honestly not sure.
Considering the ball does not have a measurable PSA typically, and the PSA ends up in a location of 6 3/4" from the pin through the thumb hole in that region after drilling, but prior to an x-hole it leads me to believe the only relevance is cg location for static weight purposes and an added weight hole location.
I do not see another use for the drill angle other then where it places the cg on a symmetric core ball. It is part of the layout process but if you give it a 30 degree drill angle then drilled the ball the PSA will not be anywhere close to that location. It will be near the thumb.
If you post on bowlingchat and ask Mo for his opinion he will freely give it and then some for any question if you so desire.
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The Ringer Solid looks super smooth and even - perfect for fresh medium/dry patterns!
I also like the 2.5" layouts on low-mid range stuff for squaring up my angles when there is a little friction on both house patterns and playing outside on sport.
Kid, did you add any surface to your Ringer or is it in box finish? How does it compare to your Melee?
Left it at box surface. (this is my actual first shots with the ball) Considering touching it up just a hair with some more 2000 grit. The ball is strong. It isn't viable in the vid but the ball really starts hooking sooner and really continues well down lane. Very typical with other balls I have tried this layout on. It is actually a few small steps down from the Beatdown on the same layout actually.
Compared to the Melee it is sooner, and overall stronger. I did not like the Melee because it was just to speed sensitive, and surface adjustments never really helped. The LT48 is what I expected in reaction from the Melee honestly. I looked forward to adding another Ringer Solid on a 60 x 5 x 60 type layout for a smoother later reaction.
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That is exactly what I was hoping to hear. I could totally see the solid Ringer and LT48 being a great 1-2 for medium - medium/dry lanes
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Kidlost,
I know you have a lot of contact with Mo Pinel. Is that his position that Drill angle on symmetrics doesn't matter?
It doesn't really appear from the drill sheets at Radical that his position is really that, but I would like to know more. Certain drillings seem to be ambiguous whether a weighthole will be necessary and yet different reaction characteristics are discussed.
Please advise?
REgards,
Luckylefty
I've followed the discussions on bowling chat. For all balls it's the post-drilled drilling angle that affects the ball's roll. For asymmetrical cores the post-drilled psa will be very close to the marked psa, so the drilling angle is meaningful. For symmetrical cores the post-drilled psa is close to the thumb hole, so the drilling angle is not meaningful other than to place the cg for use of balance holes. Addition of a balance hole pulls the psa toward the balance hole, to pull it the furthest (thus reducing the post-drilled psa) and stay safe from rolling over the balance hole, use a hole 2" down the VAL from its intersection with the grip midline. When I drill symmetrical balls I use the old pin to PAP and pin to cg method to locate the PAP in a position for desired flare and side weight to allow a balance hole if so desired, then draw the line from the pin through the PAP and apply the desired VAL angle to set the grip. I've found this works very well. -- JohnP
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Great post JP