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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: spencerwatts on February 14, 2015, 08:06:34 AM
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Last week, I was kind of scratching my head about how Brunswick/DV8/Radical bowlers fared in the Touring Players Championship. Now I see that Sean Rash and Ryan Ciminelli made the show for the Tournament of Champions.
One thing that was brought to my attention from last week was that out of a field of 336 bowlers, Brunswick/DV8/Radical was the least represented. It's not as if those numbers changed for the Tournament of Champions, but I'm wondering if it the better showing by Brunswick/DV8/Radical bowlers was a function of how their equipment matched up better in Indianapolis than in Green Bay?
Also cashing this week were Parker Bohn III, Thomas Smallwood, Brian Valenta, and Patrick Dombrowski.
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More lefties in play this week on this TOC pattern at Woodland hence you'll see Ciminelli, Rhino Page (non-Big B) and PB III almost made it. No lefties last week.
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More bowlers better odds. It's a matter of it being worth the $$$$$ to have bowlers on tour. Storm/Roto has some of the biggest names right now. Compared to any other brand the numbers show the results as well. They had the most bowlers in the top 15 last year for money leaders and this year we will see if that repeats again.
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It's much more about the talent of the players than anything else. Storm has most of the top players locked up. It's not rocket science.
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So you mean to tell me if Belmo was throwing Brunswick or any other company for that matter he would suck because he wasn't rolling Storm/Roto. That's absurd to even consider, I'm sure if he was throwing even a tiny company like Jet he still would be killing it on tour.
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WRWjr could win with anything. Most pros can.
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Equipment does matter. Fagan was ok with Track, but has won much more with Storm, including internationally. Does matching up matter? Yes. But I can assure you Belmo would not win as much with B products. I also believe that they are holding Rash back. My opinion means as much as a wet fart in a tornado.
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agreeing with shop, yea pros can win with any equipment but in reality a lot of the equipment doesn't par up with other companies' equipment. Yea they'll win but the chances and frequency of them winning gonna go down in my opinion
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Idk, skill level matters most, but right behind it, increasing ever so much recently is equipment and lane surface/pattern...
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Equipment does matter. Fagan was ok with Track, but has won much more with Storm, including internationally. Does matching up matter? Yes. But I can assure you Belmo would not win as much with B products. I also believe that they are holding Rash back. My opinion means as much as a wet fart in a tornado.
Bullsh!t. Rash is holding himself down not Brunswick because he is a mental basketcase on the lanes. Big B has just as a complete lineup as Storm but Storm just has more talent representing them.
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You can believe what you want and I will believe what I want. Is Brunswicks lineup better than it has been in years? Yes, but it still isn't ready to dominate. Too much overlap in some places and holes in the rest. Storm moves more bowling balls than any other company in the world. And it's not because of Belmo!
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Equipment does matter. Fagan was ok with Track, but has won much more with Storm, including internationally. Does matching up matter? Yes. But I can assure you Belmo would not win as much with B products. I also believe that they are holding Rash back. My opinion means as much as a wet fart in a tornado.
Bullsh!t. Rash is holding himself down not Brunswick because he is a mental basketcase on the lanes. Big B has just as a complete lineup as Storm but Storm just has more talent representing them.
this is similar to what Barnes said in his interview after leaving columbia. He felt like he didnt match up well with his brand's equipment and didnt like it for awhile. So even pros feel if they throw another brand they'll win more
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Ok there is the mastermind line which is excellent and I would put up it up against the crux and the other failures of the top tier line (sync, zero carry sorry zero gravity.) Then there is the fortera line then the melee line then the ringer line and then the strike kings. I'm sorry where are the gaps again?
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Just because a company had a line, doesn't mean it's worth throwing. When you have the world's best bowlers, who can hit within 2 boards at 45ft, the tools that they are using matter. I never said your company was a bag of poop, like you're referencing with Storm products. Just that Storm products are indeed better and that Brunswick has some holes to fill. You obviously are too narrow minded to accept this, so I won't waste the time to explain it.
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The gaps are in the player lineups on tour. Look at any of the manufacturers on tour compared to Storm/Roto.
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The same uninformed opinions were made when Rory switched to Nike and they claimed Nike was inferior.
We see how that's working out.
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People will always claim the the flavor of the month is the best out there. Storm/Roto now, in a few years it will be MOTIV, and then Big B again and then EBI and etc. IMO the bowler is the ultimate x factor in success, the equipment they use is a close second.
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Really simple to me, high friction = No Brunswick. I don't care what anyone says, those balls don't get through the front like Storm/Roto Grip. Do Brunswick balls have more length and down lane motion than in the past? Yes. Is that saying a whole lot? No.
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People will always claim the the flavor of the month is the best out there. Storm/Roto now, in a few years it will be MOTIV, and then Big B again and then EBI and etc. IMO the bowler is the ultimate x factor in success, the equipment they use is a close second.
Stop yourself. Flavor of month? You mean flavor of the last 10+ years?
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People will always claim the the flavor of the month is the best out there. Storm/Roto now, in a few years it will be MOTIV, and then Big B again and then EBI and etc. IMO the bowler is the ultimate x factor in success, the equipment they use is a close second.
Thank you.
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People will always claim the the flavor of the month is the best out there. Storm/Roto now, in a few years it will be MOTIV, and then Big B again and then EBI and etc. IMO the bowler is the ultimate x factor in success, the equipment they use is a close second.
Stop yourself. Flavor of month? You mean flavor of the last 10+ years?
Stop myself from my opinion?
In 2004 Storm had some good bowling balls, but nothing that blew everyone out of the water. In my area Brunswick, Ebonite, Hammer, Columbia (Pre EBI purchase) and Lane #1 were all the rage, I'd see Storm on occasion but not dominating like they are now. So I stand by what I said, it might have been different in your area, in a few years another company will be top dog and everyone will make the same claims just as they are now... Just with a different company.
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Storm/RG has about the same number of national staffers as everyone else combined. They had 5 of the top 10 and 10 of the top 20 money earners for 2014. The numbers fall right where they should. Storm has the deepest pockets and pays the most guys and goes after all the top guys when they get the chance.
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Storm/RG has about the same number of national staffers as everyone else combined. They had 5 of the top 10 and 10 of the top 20 money earners for 2014. The numbers fall right where they should. Storm has the deepest pockets and pays the most guys and goes after all the top guys when they get the chance.
When Brunswick was leading the tour in the late 90s early 2000s they also had an extremely large staff with lots of big names.
Walter Ray Williams Jr, Parker Bohn III, Danny Wiseman, Mike Aulby, Chris Barnes, Ricky Ward, Mark Williams, George Branham III, Johnny Petraglia, Steve Jaros, Jason Hurd, Tommy Delutz Jr, Del Ballard, Kim Adler, Kim Terrel, Carolyn Dorin, Earl Anthony ect Everyone at one point was on their staff. They made huge cuts and changes to their tour approach. Storm/Roto is doing something similar and the tour numbers show it.
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Win on Sunday, sell on Monday.
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Guys have minimal chances to earn as a professional...how many think they'll use something they can't win with? There's very few (ok none) crappy players making finals or shows...the equipment is enhancers...
As NF28 stated...there is also something to be said abt how the 'grease' is placed on the lane and where
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Guys have minimal chances to earn as a professional...how many think they'll use something they can't win with? There's very few (ok none) crappy players making finals or shows...the equipment is enhancers...
As NF28 stated...there is also something to be said abt how the 'grease' is placed on the lane and where
So in essence, the "pros cant win with anything". Ive said it before, the pros can get to the pocket with anything, however, they cant strike with everything.
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At any given point throughout time there are always about 10 guys that are just better than everyone else on tour. Equipment doesn't mean much for those guys.
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Equipment in the sense of how it effects the player and how the player evolves....some players adapt to their equipment and others need help...it can be a circle
Some like a certain look and try to manipulate to achieve and some are able to find that in their equipment without manipulation but much depends on conditions which will always dictate
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It is called a business cycle. For a long time it was brunswick, then columbia, hammer ebonite now storm.....It is just the same for any other business. I actually thought Sean Rash's LT-48 had the best reaction out of the group, until Belmo was able to manipulate the lanes to his liking.
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having used the LT-48 as a go to benchmark for the better part of a year that ball is something special when its moment is there, when its not its done, earlier friction that ball just pukes down, looked to me to be what happened on the show after Belmo had his way with the lanes, 10 pins where the early sign of this happening then a 2-8-10 and its to late