Post by: Joe Jr on June 05, 2006, 01:20:59 PM
Check it out;
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/products/1-Bowling_Balls/0~99999/4-Brunswick/All/All/page.htm
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Post by: themachine300 on June 05, 2006, 09:36:00 PM
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Move left, hook it more.....
Post by: MegaMav on June 05, 2006, 09:36:30 PM
im a Brunswick guy and im disappointed.
Sanded Classic Zone
Nemesis Remake BVP
lets get to the good stuff eh?
Post by: Joe Jr on June 05, 2006, 09:39:17 PM
quote:
eh... not excited at all.
im a Brunswick guy and im disappointed.
Sanded Classic Zone
Nemesis Remake BVP
lets get to the good stuff eh?
The Red Zone is solid...
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Post by: MegaMav on June 05, 2006, 09:40:30 PM
Post by: JPRLane1 on June 05, 2006, 09:41:29 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on June 05, 2006, 09:42:54 PM
quote:
So whats dif about Red and Strike Zones, polish?
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Post by: LuckyLefty on June 05, 2006, 09:43:09 PM
And the wizard a higher rg version of the Nemesis?
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Post by: J_Mac on June 05, 2006, 09:45:17 PM
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eh... not excited at all.
im a Brunswick guy and im disappointed.
Sanded Classic Zone
Nemesis Remake BVP
lets get to the good stuff eh?
Agreed about the Wizard, disagreed on the Red Zone... it's highly polished like the Classic was, but it's not on the same position in the reaction chart due to being a pearl-less Classic Zone.
O11 vs. N10 isn't a big move though...
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Post by: Bryant on June 05, 2006, 09:46:07 PM
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Post by: StrikeMonster on June 05, 2006, 09:48:55 PM
Post by: J_Mac on June 05, 2006, 09:53:43 PM
quote:quote:
So whats dif about Red and Strike Zones, polish?
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Yes.
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I'd be interested in seeing your data on that opinion...
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Post by: shelley on June 05, 2006, 09:54:19 PM
SH
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 05, 2006, 10:01:25 PM
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Post by: ShermDawg on June 05, 2006, 10:14:33 PM
i think the red zone should have been activator max on the classic core... that woulda been a good ball for sure... and for BVP they should have waited and thought of something new instead of a remake i think....
the new inferno should be sizzlin' though ;-)
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on June 05, 2006, 10:21:55 PM
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House Hack. Nothing more. Nothing less. And, according to my therapist, that's not so bad.
Post by: jdhaze on June 05, 2006, 11:08:14 PM
JD
Post by: charlest on June 06, 2006, 12:22:16 AM
So, of course, that cannot possibly the true story. So, what is TRULY going on here??? I'm waiting ....
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Post by: Mike Austin on June 06, 2006, 01:18:35 AM
I was not given any info on the Red Zone. I have a polished Strike Zone, can do that myself. Although I do like Red.....
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Post by: dizzyfugu on June 06, 2006, 01:59:35 AM
And with the new Inferno... I fear that the only "innovation" could be that it might be the first 2 color particle ball Brunswick will ever produce... rest might be known (maybe a re-do of the RI?). That's just my personal idea, but I have the feeling that I might be disappointed, too.
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Post by: Traumatize on June 06, 2006, 02:42:47 AM
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Post by: ShermDawg on June 06, 2006, 04:53:31 AM
something with a core cover and ________ Inferno....
(Insert Sizzlin' above)
and expect a pearl cover... dunno about the core... do know that it is supposed to be 5-7 boards stronger on the backend than the smokin... so an aggressive skid snappy pearl from the sound of it... should be good
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Post by: shelley on June 06, 2006, 08:48:54 AM
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How many pro shops do you think will buy these balls when there are Strike Zones and Nemesises sitting on the shelf? Zero?
How many? All of them. It's new, it hooks a lot, and we all know that customers are so stupid that all they ever want is something new that looks good and hooks a lot. "Drill it to go long and snap," they say.
SH
Post by: Xfest on June 06, 2006, 10:25:20 AM
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Post by: Xfest on June 06, 2006, 10:28:55 AM
quote:quote:
obviously no one read when i said the NEW INFERNO WILL BE SIZZLIN.... that should be a hint enough.... look for a NEW INFERNO THIS SUMMER PEOPLE!!!!!
something with a core cover and ________ Inferno....
(Insert Sizzlin' above)
and expect a pearl cover... dunno about the core... do know that it is supposed to be 5-7 boards stronger on the backend than the smokin... so an aggressive skid snappy pearl from the sound of it... should be good
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That just doesn't make sense though...5-7 boards stronger than the Smokin'? Only on the backend? That ball would go about 90 degrees sideways. Then again, that's the kind of thing they can market.
I don't know, maybe my expectations are too high. Brunswick obviously can't be a "boutique" ball company like Lane #1 or MoRich, though Track nearly is and they seem to be pretty successful doing it.
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on June 06, 2006, 01:47:13 PM
Still not real keen upon the Red Zone. But if it means it will stay in the line longer than the Strike would of, then that is a good thing (just knock the polish off of it if you want another Strike Zone)
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 06, 2006, 03:51:46 PM
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What a joke and waste of two bowling ball slots. Here's a suggestion to Brunswick on the Strike Zone / Red Zone. Next time, don't release a ball with stupid looking logos and then release the exact same ball with, hopefully, good looking logos. Do it the first time.
The next ball better be impressive because no R&D other than marketing was spent on these two pieces.
How many pro shops do you think will buy these balls when there are Strike Zones and Nemesises sitting on the shelf? Zero?
I saw this and it made me laugh. When I first wanted to buy a bowling ball the first name I thought was Brunswick. When I went to the pro shop which had pretty much all of the current Brunswicks being offered, I couldn't help but realize their balls look horrible and the logos are plain bad. Luckily, it looks like Columbia is also moving in this direction (ugly balls/bad logos) so maybe Brunswick will have less competition in the future.
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Post by: RSalas on June 06, 2006, 05:02:56 PM
As for the Red Zone, the cover may be called "Activator Reactive," but I seriously doubt it uses the exact same coverstock formulation as the Strike Zone. I heard that Brunswick was looking to fill a particular gap in their line with the Red, which leads me to think that the Red will be less aggressive than a polished Strike.
But I (and my sources) could be wrong...
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Post by: ShermDawg on June 07, 2006, 01:31:55 AM
the strike zone is a great ball dont get me wrong... but i just dont see the point in coming out with a polished version especially when releases from brunswick are always at specific times... so basically were waiting till the end of this year to see something new and improved im hoping...
lets see some activator advance on the classic core :-D
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Post by: BrunsBob on June 07, 2006, 01:37:27 AM
By the way, without going into detail, MANY things contribute to the development and release of every new ball we make in order to maintain a complete line of balls that fit every need. We're not just making balls to be making them, there's rhyme and reason for everything. I should leave it at that for now.
The NATION will continue to succeed......I'm betting on ya!
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Post by: BallsDeep on June 07, 2006, 11:36:53 AM
quote:WOW, all this dissention amongst the ranks without one single person even throwing one yet. I'm stunned by the uproar. I feel we will hear a different tune once the balls arrive and the reports start flowing in. Hang in there guys and gals, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
By the way, without going into detail, MANY things contribute to the development and release of every new ball we make in order to maintain a complete line of balls that fit every need. We're not just making balls to be making them, there's rhyme and reason for everything. I should leave it at that for now.
The NATION will continue to succeed......I'm betting on ya!
RoB LAW
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I like brunswick stuff and I feel they have done an excellent job creating great new tachnology and producing a great # of variations in hook potential and breakpoint shapes. These new offerings, if as reported, do NOT in any way continue the trend of innovation that Brunswick has made its name on. I'm not saying that the new stuff will roll poorly or hit poorly, I'm saying that the reactions are already offered. I can buy a strike zone and perform the Brunswick Factory Polish with my spinner and get a red zone. I can buy a Nemesis and do nothing and get a Wizard. If as reported, I will not purchase either of the new releases. I have had a Classic, an Impulse, a Strike, and currently have the Vapor, and loved each and every one, but the trend will end if the reports are true. I think its appaling to release the same balls with different colors. Its a proclamation that bowlers only want to look good and know nothing about what they're throwing.
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Post by: SKC on June 07, 2006, 12:06:19 PM
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obviously no one read when i said the NEW INFERNO WILL BE SIZZLIN.... that should be a hint enough.... look for a NEW INFERNO THIS SUMMER PEOPLE!!!!!
something with a core cover and ________ Inferno....
(Insert Sizzlin' above)
and expect a pearl cover... dunno about the core... do know that it is supposed to be 5-7 boards stronger on the backend than the smokin... so an aggressive skid snappy pearl from the sound of it... should be good
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A Sizzlin Inferno??? That would be pretty radical..
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Post by: Bigmike on June 07, 2006, 12:09:38 PM
Put holes in one of each, throw them first, then complain if they are dead on carbon copies of pervious releases.
Post by: BallsDeep on June 07, 2006, 02:14:26 PM
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Post by: Jason Kovack on June 07, 2006, 02:25:11 PM
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Post by: Bigmike on June 07, 2006, 03:05:09 PM
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it has been stated that the new Wizard is identicle to the Nemesis. i dont have to put holes in one to know, i already have a Nemesis. they NEED that look in the BVP lineup.
The key word is "stated", not thrown down the lane or drilled up. Folks might want to wait until you try something before you knock it. A lot of people are getting worked up on here with out throwing the ball or even hearing the logic behind both releases and there fit in the Brunswick line up.
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 07, 2006, 03:43:33 PM
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Fluffers will love watching this thing break. Cant blame Brunswick for releasing a ball that will sell...
Question: What is a Fluffer and why will they love watching this thing break?
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Post by: shelley on June 07, 2006, 03:58:12 PM
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Question: What is a Fluffer and why will they love watching this thing break?
Two usual definitions:
o A young lady who keeps the male actors excited between takes on an adult film set. See here (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluffer").
o A low-speed, low-rev (and sometimes questionable style) bowler. In the taxonomy of styles, it's below stroker (which may be an specialization of the above definition as well). Even strokers make fun of fluffers.
Fluffers like watching this thing break (what was "this thing"? The RZ or Wizard?) because they usually don't have the hand to generate a lot of hook. They like balls with strong, angular backends because it's the only way they're going to see the ball hook.
SH
Edited on 6/7/2006 4:00 PM
Post by: BallsDeep on June 07, 2006, 04:08:30 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on June 07, 2006, 04:47:02 PM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 07, 2006, 05:39:16 PM
quote:quote:
Question: What is a Fluffer and why will they love watching this thing break?
Two usual definitions:
o A young lady who keeps the male actors excited between takes on an adult film set. See here (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluffer").
o A low-speed, low-rev (and sometimes questionable style) bowler. In the taxonomy of styles, it's below stroker (which may be an specialization of the above definition as well). Even strokers make fun of fluffers.
Fluffers like watching this thing break (what was "this thing"? The RZ or Wizard?) because they usually don't have the hand to generate a lot of hook. They like balls with strong, angular backends because it's the only way they're going to see the ball hook.
SH
Ah! Thanks! I was aware of the definition for the adult film industry and I was hoping this was different. Or actually, maybe I was hoping it was the same and I could get a bowling fluffer the next time I go bowling.
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Post by: shelley on June 07, 2006, 06:23:45 PM
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Ah! Thanks! I was aware of the definition for the adult film industry and I was hoping this was different. Or actually, maybe I was hoping it was the same and I could get a bowling fluffer the next time I go bowling.
Sure would make those nights when you can't hit the broad side of a barn a whole heckuva lot better. There are a few people around my house that look like they'd be pretty darn good at it.
SH
Post by: DON DRAPER on June 07, 2006, 06:28:37 PM
Post by: Bigmike on June 07, 2006, 06:29:13 PM
Post by: Xfest on June 07, 2006, 08:06:43 PM
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Post by: MegaMav on June 07, 2006, 08:15:10 PM
when you grow up, you'll be big enough to wear the crown.
Post by: Crankenstein300 on June 07, 2006, 08:39:03 PM
Post by: laner7pin on June 07, 2006, 10:31:22 PM
Laner
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Post by: Let It Bleed on June 07, 2006, 10:38:02 PM
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Post by: BallsDeep on June 07, 2006, 10:44:08 PM
As far as the Red Zone being a ball to fill the gap left by the Classic and Impulse, well leave the Classic there and come up with something different. A ball with the asym core and Advance made perfect sense. There is no true skid snap entry in the zone series. I use my Vapor with a bit of shine to it when my Awesome Flip is turning too hard, yet currently the vapor is the snappiest of the zone asyms. If I try to move deep with it it leaves many more flat tens than the more angular Awesome Flip. If they put the advance on the new release, it would create essentially a longer version of the awesome flip that would be great when the lanes break down a bit and one wants a long and strong piece.
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Post by: jdhaze on June 07, 2006, 11:14:36 PM
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 08, 2006, 07:33:56 AM
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not to burst anyones bubble - but brunswick balls die early. they do not hook and hit much at all. i think they are terrible
It's called Track cleaners and polishes. Look into it.
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Post by: Xfest on June 08, 2006, 11:40:34 AM
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So Machine101. Do you actually have any proff of this? Since the PK covers are one of the best ever made by any company ever. I severly doubt Brunswick would keep them in their lineup if they "died". Also, the Inferno covers are absolutely amazing. Granted some people had problems with the Absolute (I personally didn't), but other than that everyone loved the Ultimate and the Smokin' is alot better of a ball than people think. People look at the numbers and say, oh boy, it's a higher rg core so now it won't work.. and they don't buy it.
So.. let's hear your reasoning.. since I bet there are going to be alot of people that go ahead and agree with me on this one.
Machine101.. since you bowl with Track.. was that bowling a 101 with a Machine and your celebrating by making that your screenname. Good job man! 23 pins above average, eh?
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lol your killing me dude. im 15 years old - and i throw a ball 18-19 mph and im looking for that great hook and great backend. The ball has died such as the inferno series has because of the fact that they die out and get passed up by other brands early. I do have one thing to say about Brunswick. I love their BVP Ambush - which is my ball for picking up spares. Great Ball - i love it. But the fact that the Scorchin Inferno' is just not the trick - is why i went to track. and no dude - i can throw a 101 with my left - actually i've thrown a 201 with my left and yes i am aspadyxerous(however you spell it). I've thrown a 758 series with my machine and a 299 before - so please- if you think im a noob at this game - im not. Just because i say something about a shi t as s ball brunswick makes - you get pissed. You trying throwing a high series with that scorchin..
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Post by: a_ak57 on June 08, 2006, 11:47:28 AM
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Post by: shelley on June 08, 2006, 12:02:50 PM
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The ball has died such as the inferno series has because of the fact that they die out and get passed up by other brands early.
You should contact Brunswick about a possibly defective ball, then. I cannot argue your experience with Brunswick balls and tell you that a ball hasn't died when it has. I know it's not a simple case of the ball burning up because anyone who can shoot a 758, 299, and, left-handed, a 201 clearly knows the difference between a ball that's died and one that's just burned up all its energy.
But PK18 and Activator have well-earned reputations for longevity and durability, they are among the longest lasting covers on the market. If yours really have died with such limited use, then clearly you have faulty equipment that should be replaced quickly, while they're still under warranty. Talk to your pro shop about getting replacements. You shouldn't accept what is obviously defective, abnormal equipment.
SH
Post by: BrunsBob on June 08, 2006, 12:12:33 PM
I cannot and will not go into detail on here, but in order to stay in business a ball company needs to sell balls. We must continue to create new product that appeals to the public cosmetically and with performance. You personally may be in the market (or not) for a NEW reaction, but there are 1000's of customers out there getting into a ball for the first time or upgrading to something new and we must appeal to them also.
When we create product, our main goal is to maintain a complete lineup in all of our product lines. When we create a hole in our ball chart by removing a ball that is dead in sales, we must try and fill that void with something new and exciting to the buying public. That's business, whether it's balls, bags, shoes, cars, boats, bikes, TVs, food, drinks, etc......
I personally am proud of how we've maintained a strong lineup of balls for all levels of bowlers without flooding the market with numerous releases.
Regards,
Robert Lawrence
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Post by: ShermDawg on June 08, 2006, 12:16:13 PM
the new wizard will be predictable because its a remade nemesis
the red zone.. i am just wondering if it will be any different than a factory strike zone....
and the new inferno we will all wait and see about
the way the zone line has been going.... the red zone will not in any way be bad... it cant be with how the zone line has been going and how strong it is... i just hope it doesnt overlap a polished strike zone... thats all
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Post by: Maelstrom on June 09, 2006, 03:52:54 PM
Wizard: http://www.parklanes.co.jp/shop/shop.cgi?mode=detail&no=973
Red Zone: http://www.parklanes.co.jp/shop/shop.cgi?mode=detail&no=972
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Post by: BrunsNick on June 09, 2006, 04:05:19 PM
Sweet lookin logo!
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Post by: BallsDeep on June 09, 2006, 06:32:44 PM
There will be some 300s and 800s shot with these balls, as the technology is good and proven, but there would be the same # shot with the Nemesis or the Strike. The pins don't care what the ball looks like.
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