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LuckyLefty

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Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« on: August 14, 2013, 11:56:51 PM »
This post is from a bit ago and from Charlest.

For whatever it's worth, as far as I know all Slingshots for sale in the USA are pearls. However, some one (who I thought might know) suggested to me a year or so back that the Black/Pink Slingshot used Activator coverstock, not the PK 17 used on all the rest. That said, I have no corroboration for this statement. I had intended to try one but never got around to it.

Going on in that post Charlest noted he had heard that the Karma Pearl Pink had Activator(actually, activator + see this description)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Brunswick-Karma-Pearl-Reactive-Bowling-Ball-Purple-Pink-Pearl-NIB-/200908171881?pt=Bowling&var=500150676759&hash=item2ec70f6a69

So I am wondering, this coverstock on my new Pink Black Slingshot looks so similar.
Anyone think or know whether this is an Activator * also?  It looks just like the Karma Pink on the shell.

http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/slingshot-black-pink/

However, I note that it is Brunswick that called the Karma Pink Black covered with Activator +

They also say the Pink Black Slingshot is PK 17  as above.

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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2013, 02:09:48 AM »
I think the coverstocks are probably correct for each ball as posted on Brunswicks site  just the color being the similar factor. PK17 holds its ground very well. When I compare my Slingshot to any ball using activator+ pearl the difference is very noticeable.

The Slingshot is strong but is a noticeable step down from activator+. I think people see the two colors side by side and want to say they "look" identical.
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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2013, 08:14:17 AM »
The Karma is Pink/Purple not Pink/Black! I've drilled both and they are not the same coverstock material! The Karma Pink/Purple is fairly strong compared to the Slingshot even taking into the fact the cores are different! I guess if the thinking is Brunswick made but colors similar, that it must be the same cover! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2013, 08:23:31 AM »

In order to achieve their desired color mix on the pink and black Slingshot, Brunswick needed to change their formulation.  It is the same cover as the original Inferno, which was Activator.  The pink/black Slingshot is stronger than the others.



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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2013, 09:27:46 AM »
I'd have to hear it from Brunswick to believe that, cause that's not what I saw in the Slingshot I drilled for myself and others. My pink/black was any stronger than my blue/gold, black/silver, orange/red, or lime green/purple, but I've been wrong before! My lime green/purple to me was the strongest of the Slingshots! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2013, 11:05:52 AM »
Not Clay,

I'm hoping you are right.  I am hoping for almost a solid type of reaction from this Pink Black I have sitting NIB next to me.

It has been my impression that Activator pearl is very smooth and strong but not quick off Friction.

Almost like the old PK 17 solid in a way?

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PS I intend to drill this small diff core fairly strong as my Roto Sonic X solid (diff .018)ALMOST owns this shot but is just a touch weak! )
PPS I do see the Karma Pink Purple looks slower off friction than it's green PK 18 Karma brother from Videos I have seen and that is Activator + right?
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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2013, 11:53:36 AM »
The source of my information was my Product Specialist.  Lefty, I would recommend strong layouts on the Slingshots for the most part.

 
« Last Edit: August 15, 2013, 11:55:30 AM by notclay »

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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2013, 12:41:29 PM »
If you want a "solid" coverstock like reaction adjust the surface to match closer most solid bowling balls. Like justrico said a few times that is the bigger factor difference between a solid and a pearl cover.
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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2013, 02:40:46 PM »
NotClay and Kid,

Thanks.

I intend to drill stronger, and then use out of box and then maybe add some scuff to even out the reaction if too much.

I'll know in a few more days.  Also for my house that likes backend....Have my Strike King showing up soon.

SK13, reminds me of the move of the Damage with PK18 and projection additive, just a little less core.  You?  Your thoughts?  ALL?

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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2013, 04:59:35 PM »
No need drilling the ball strong if the backends are strong or the lanes are drier the Slingshot will hook and be more then you intended.

SK13 is extremely close to identical with pk18.
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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2013, 09:06:25 PM »
The house I am planning on using the Sling on actually has head oil, decent amounts.

Then sparky at a minimum backends, especially on the left.  My dullish Sonic X (same diff) is sweet to an extent for game 1.  I intend to drill just a tad stronger and also to probably dull after the first couple of uses.

Then the second game the oil pushes down.  My Avalanche pearl, or Sonic Boom can handle it.

Kid, I agree with you the coverstock on the Strike King reminds me of PK 18 just like on the damage.  But Brunswick talks about a projection additive in the Damage.  I think also in the Strike King.  Kaboom!  And a pretty quick response off of the dry.

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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2013, 09:47:30 PM »
Oops! I apologize and stand corrected on the coverstock! I check when I got to the shop and you can tell a difference in the covers! Wow, I knew there seemed to be a difference in the lime/green and purple that it seemed to have a different texture to the cover. The black/pink cover does have a different look and feel! I thought it was a  difference in the polishing at the plant! Sorry Notclay, I should have listened to you cause you've always gave great info! When you think it's one cover and they even say that it's pk17, but there's a difference! Thanks, Bruce
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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2013, 11:16:25 PM »
PK18 pearl is PK18 pearl weather they state an additive for the Damage or not I think your reading too much into it. Other wise it would be PK19 or 20 or something else.

SK13 was described to me by Brunsnick as cleaner through the heads then PK18 and still very responsive off the friction. A weaker Ringer basically to serve as a step down from the Ringer. I think that statement is very accurate.

After throwing the Karma Pearl (PK18) and The Strike King (SK13) on the same layout, side by side, I honestly couldn't tell a real difference. Since the SK13 is a weaker core then the Karma I would assume that means the cover is stronger then PK18 pearl.

I will say that for an entry level ball it is a beast.

Strike King RG 2.57 Diff .028
Karma       RG 2.52 Diff  .040


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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 08:43:59 AM »
My Strike King is just under my Ringer! The Ringer has the same cover as the Ulti-Max with a weaker core! My Strike King isn't really a dry lane ball, cause it reads the friction a lot stronger than my Slingshot! I wish I would have drilled the Strike King pin down to control the motion at the break point some, but I didn't! I actually had to use my Wicked Siege on the left lane and my pin down on the right lane, which was hooking earlier. What Brunswick calls their entry level equipment like some other companies, is not the entry level we've been use to! I've told people in the center that don't let the label and price fool you on ball reaction! I like to drill the weaker stuff with a fairly strong layout. Just my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Brusnwick Slingshot and Activator
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2013, 02:34:18 PM »
Kid and Bruce(Bat),

I appreciate the comments and believe both of you are right on.  I bowl in two jumpy centers wet dry centers.

One likes pin down, and the other seems to love pin up.  I'm used to PK 18 pearl as my Avalanche is the pearl PK 18 version(pin down and rounded but quick off the friction).  I have a Damage in box, and have seen...it rolled more than I would like to in my center(against me!).

here is the description.  http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/damage/
Note the coverstock description.

I also have the big moving Ulti Max(humungous! and fast reaction).

To sum up based on my shots and what has worked in the past I am very excited about a strongly drilled pin slightly down Slingshot for my pin down house and the Strike King slightly pin up at the other house where I love my pin up AMF Shredit but I want less core until the ball is ready to make it's move....Thus the Strike King.

It will be fun if they both work.  IF they don't Kill the houses I am slotting them for then waiting in the wings are a NIB Damage, an arriving Ringer, and better releasing thumb Ulti Max!  (working on Ulti this weekend).

Oh it is fund to buy nice deals on close out or off Ebay!  Ah yes there are few more in waiting....but how much fun can one guy have!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS Kid...there WAS a PK19 a pearl with Mica.  It was on the Impact Zone around 1999.  It was loved by many including me, but was brittle with lots of cracking around the fingers.  I can still remember its Crack on the pins by me and other better bowlers!  Funny the core of the Impact Zone was on 3 balls I loved, Pro Zone Violet(Proactive), Battle Zone Bullet(PK 17 XD) and Impact Zone(PK19)!  I don't know the name of the core but they can bring that smooth board covering orb back ANYTIME, they want!
PPS anyone know the name?
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