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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: LuckyLefty on August 14, 2013, 11:56:51 PM
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This post is from a bit ago and from Charlest.
For whatever it's worth, as far as I know all Slingshots for sale in the USA are pearls. However, some one (who I thought might know) suggested to me a year or so back that the Black/Pink Slingshot used Activator coverstock, not the PK 17 used on all the rest. That said, I have no corroboration for this statement. I had intended to try one but never got around to it.
Going on in that post Charlest noted he had heard that the Karma Pearl Pink had Activator(actually, activator + see this description)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Brunswick-Karma-Pearl-Reactive-Bowling-Ball-Purple-Pink-Pearl-NIB-/200908171881?pt=Bowling&var=500150676759&hash=item2ec70f6a69
So I am wondering, this coverstock on my new Pink Black Slingshot looks so similar.
Anyone think or know whether this is an Activator * also? It looks just like the Karma Pink on the shell.
http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/slingshot-black-pink/
However, I note that it is Brunswick that called the Karma Pink Black covered with Activator +
They also say the Pink Black Slingshot is PK 17 as above.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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I think the coverstocks are probably correct for each ball as posted on Brunswicks site just the color being the similar factor. PK17 holds its ground very well. When I compare my Slingshot to any ball using activator+ pearl the difference is very noticeable.
The Slingshot is strong but is a noticeable step down from activator+. I think people see the two colors side by side and want to say they "look" identical.
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The Karma is Pink/Purple not Pink/Black! I've drilled both and they are not the same coverstock material! The Karma Pink/Purple is fairly strong compared to the Slingshot even taking into the fact the cores are different! I guess if the thinking is Brunswick made but colors similar, that it must be the same cover! Just my $.02, Bruce
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In order to achieve their desired color mix on the pink and black Slingshot, Brunswick needed to change their formulation. It is the same cover as the original Inferno, which was Activator. The pink/black Slingshot is stronger than the others.
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I'd have to hear it from Brunswick to believe that, cause that's not what I saw in the Slingshot I drilled for myself and others. My pink/black was any stronger than my blue/gold, black/silver, orange/red, or lime green/purple, but I've been wrong before! My lime green/purple to me was the strongest of the Slingshots! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Not Clay,
I'm hoping you are right. I am hoping for almost a solid type of reaction from this Pink Black I have sitting NIB next to me.
It has been my impression that Activator pearl is very smooth and strong but not quick off Friction.
Almost like the old PK 17 solid in a way?
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I intend to drill this small diff core fairly strong as my Roto Sonic X solid (diff .018)ALMOST owns this shot but is just a touch weak! )
PPS I do see the Karma Pink Purple looks slower off friction than it's green PK 18 Karma brother from Videos I have seen and that is Activator + right?
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The source of my information was my Product Specialist. Lefty, I would recommend strong layouts on the Slingshots for the most part.
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If you want a "solid" coverstock like reaction adjust the surface to match closer most solid bowling balls. Like justrico said a few times that is the bigger factor difference between a solid and a pearl cover.
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NotClay and Kid,
Thanks.
I intend to drill stronger, and then use out of box and then maybe add some scuff to even out the reaction if too much.
I'll know in a few more days. Also for my house that likes backend....Have my Strike King showing up soon.
SK13, reminds me of the move of the Damage with PK18 and projection additive, just a little less core. You? Your thoughts? ALL?
REgards,
Luckylefty
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No need drilling the ball strong if the backends are strong or the lanes are drier the Slingshot will hook and be more then you intended.
SK13 is extremely close to identical with pk18.
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The house I am planning on using the Sling on actually has head oil, decent amounts.
Then sparky at a minimum backends, especially on the left. My dullish Sonic X (same diff) is sweet to an extent for game 1. I intend to drill just a tad stronger and also to probably dull after the first couple of uses.
Then the second game the oil pushes down. My Avalanche pearl, or Sonic Boom can handle it.
Kid, I agree with you the coverstock on the Strike King reminds me of PK 18 just like on the damage. But Brunswick talks about a projection additive in the Damage. I think also in the Strike King. Kaboom! And a pretty quick response off of the dry.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Oops! I apologize and stand corrected on the coverstock! I check when I got to the shop and you can tell a difference in the covers! Wow, I knew there seemed to be a difference in the lime/green and purple that it seemed to have a different texture to the cover. The black/pink cover does have a different look and feel! I thought it was a difference in the polishing at the plant! Sorry Notclay, I should have listened to you cause you've always gave great info! When you think it's one cover and they even say that it's pk17, but there's a difference! Thanks, Bruce
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PK18 pearl is PK18 pearl weather they state an additive for the Damage or not I think your reading too much into it. Other wise it would be PK19 or 20 or something else.
SK13 was described to me by Brunsnick as cleaner through the heads then PK18 and still very responsive off the friction. A weaker Ringer basically to serve as a step down from the Ringer. I think that statement is very accurate.
After throwing the Karma Pearl (PK18) and The Strike King (SK13) on the same layout, side by side, I honestly couldn't tell a real difference. Since the SK13 is a weaker core then the Karma I would assume that means the cover is stronger then PK18 pearl.
I will say that for an entry level ball it is a beast.
Strike King RG 2.57 Diff .028
Karma RG 2.52 Diff .040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz5Pe6_PqiE
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My Strike King is just under my Ringer! The Ringer has the same cover as the Ulti-Max with a weaker core! My Strike King isn't really a dry lane ball, cause it reads the friction a lot stronger than my Slingshot! I wish I would have drilled the Strike King pin down to control the motion at the break point some, but I didn't! I actually had to use my Wicked Siege on the left lane and my pin down on the right lane, which was hooking earlier. What Brunswick calls their entry level equipment like some other companies, is not the entry level we've been use to! I've told people in the center that don't let the label and price fool you on ball reaction! I like to drill the weaker stuff with a fairly strong layout. Just my $.02, Bruce
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Kid and Bruce(Bat),
I appreciate the comments and believe both of you are right on. I bowl in two jumpy centers wet dry centers.
One likes pin down, and the other seems to love pin up. I'm used to PK 18 pearl as my Avalanche is the pearl PK 18 version(pin down and rounded but quick off the friction). I have a Damage in box, and have seen...it rolled more than I would like to in my center(against me!).
here is the description. http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/damage/
Note the coverstock description.
I also have the big moving Ulti Max(humungous! and fast reaction).
To sum up based on my shots and what has worked in the past I am very excited about a strongly drilled pin slightly down Slingshot for my pin down house and the Strike King slightly pin up at the other house where I love my pin up AMF Shredit but I want less core until the ball is ready to make it's move....Thus the Strike King.
It will be fun if they both work. IF they don't Kill the houses I am slotting them for then waiting in the wings are a NIB Damage, an arriving Ringer, and better releasing thumb Ulti Max! (working on Ulti this weekend).
Oh it is fund to buy nice deals on close out or off Ebay! Ah yes there are few more in waiting....but how much fun can one guy have!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS Kid...there WAS a PK19 a pearl with Mica. It was on the Impact Zone around 1999. It was loved by many including me, but was brittle with lots of cracking around the fingers. I can still remember its Crack on the pins by me and other better bowlers! Funny the core of the Impact Zone was on 3 balls I loved, Pro Zone Violet(Proactive), Battle Zone Bullet(PK 17 XD) and Impact Zone(PK19)! I don't know the name of the core but they can bring that smooth board covering orb back ANYTIME, they want!
PPS anyone know the name?
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They labelled a lot of covers on overseas equipment pk24 (pk18ss)ect. So no doubt pk18 has been used as part of a starting point for many bowling balls. I asked Mo what was the cover of the n'tense levrg close to from Brunswick and he advised it was pk18 with extra addatives. That ball and cover was more then I could use on almost any condition.
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The Strike King is a lot of ball, or great ball for the money! I was shocked at the performance when I drilled it and was expecting a little stronger Slingshot! The Ringer is also a great ball for the money and a touch stronger than the Strike King! I've always said that I don't understand how a company can sell some high-end stuff when they make the so called low-end/entry level so good!! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Bat,
I bave been watching videos of the slingshot versus the Strike king and after seeing them together I believe you are giving a perfect description of the differences especially after seeing the Strike King in person. It's move is quite angular!
In regards to the Ringer I hear everyone say that it is stronger than the Strike King but in watching the Videos it appears that the Ringer for almost every bowler has a strong smooth but Rounded motion.
Do you agree? I have not seen any flip from the ringer, only smooth powerful continuation? Here is a video that I believe shows that,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLdQ_9Qu5qE
Your thoughts?
REgards,
Luckylefty
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Bat bowler,
I notice you mention the coverstock, is the same as the UltiMax with a weaker core.
I note the Ultimax is listed with a CFT Or Chemical Friction Tech coverstock, it is also listed as a having a Projection additive.
http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/csystem-ulti-max/
On the other hand Nexus pear is listed as CPT= Chemical Projection Tech. I wonder if it is more like the Nexus pearl with less core?
http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/nexus-p/
I'm hoping that the coverstock has a little less grab at my shorter house shot than the UltiMax! (which I love on shots over 40 feet or when playing deeper inside!)
It looks smoother to my eye than the grab of the Powerhouse bite of the Ultimax cover!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Luckylefty! Correct! My Strike King is drilled almost identical to my Ringer and the Strike King has a stronger move at the back end! The Ringer is more strong arc and Strike King is more skid/flip reaction! The response to friction is higher with SK! Both are great balls for the price, but the difference being back end reaction! The Ringer does read the midlane a sooner and that's probably the difference in break point reaction! The comments they make about the cover is they use the C-System cover on a lower price point ball. BTM stated that it's the same as the Ulti-Max and notclay may be able to verify the cover! Just my $.02, Bruce
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Bat,
I appreciate those comments. These are exactly what my eyes are seeing on videos and from Watching the Strike King.
My Ringer showed up yesterday with less specs (short pin and less top weight than I requested), but frankly that could be great at my humungous backend house that almost could take my UltiMax but not quite because of the sharp bite to friction!
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I often use solids in this house but this ball looks like it might be smooth enough.
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While I really don't know for certain regarding the Ringer's cover, I will state that it does handle more volume than the Strike King. Even with my Ringer pin up, and my Strike King pin down, the Ringer does read the mid-lane much better from what I am seeing.
The Strike King could be more angular due to the fact that it goes longer, and once it finds adequate friction, seems to respond fairly quickly. Our eyes see the late movement easier than what the ball does mid-lane, since it hasn't changed direction much yet. Nice observations here. Thanks to all.
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A side note: I took a 3000 abralon pad to the Strike King and it took some of the snap and it helps it to read better. It had a tendency to push to long and it helps out in that area! I took a worn 2000 pad on the Ringer and it helped to create a little more separation between the SK and Ringer! With that the Ringer is closer to the Marauder that is drilled with similar layouts! I prefer pin down when I'm moving deeper, cause of the earlier read I get from the pin down and I want something to start a little sooner to kick the corners out! Good luck with you new stuff and let us know what you think and how it's working!! Bruce
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Bat,
Thanks for the updates!
Well changes in life of course. Bowlmor has taken over my center like many others in the country.
What everyone in the house is saying. where's the backend? I have equipment for this! I have not bowled in a league but I've moved 11 boards left and I'm playing like a real lefty.....up six. Note whenever in leagues is when I really noticed the spark in the back but the center looks to be oiled like usual just no stripper(good cost savings I guess!). I'll try a league soon and see if I where I was last year but if not, this new dryer lane equipment might not ever even have holes in it.
Out will come my unstoppable Track Spell just in case the slop continues!
Oh and just an update! Took out my new Pink Black Slingshot with the activator and threw two handed right handed(my natural side) no finger holes. (why didn't I learn this instead of switching to lefty?)This often gives me a good idea of what to expect, as to length and shape and drilling I may put on.
Just as I thought and Notclay told us, this moves like activator! Smooth and even a lot like a solid. Depending on what condition is out there, I can see this ball working if they find the dollars for the stripper. A good competitor for my Sonic X solid a touch more push in NIB condition. A lot earlier than those pearly PK 17 slingshots.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Has anyone compared the Strike King with the Misfit Pearl and/or Marauder Mutiny? I thought the Mutiny would be a slight step up from my MP, but it is way more ball than the MP (and than advertised). I know I could probably just get a regular Misfit, but I did have my eyes on the Strike King since it was announced. What about the Ringer? Just looking for something that gives me a similar look to the MP, but a little stronger. Throwing two handed, the MP is usually my go to ball on a fresh house shot. But there are times it is a little too weak.
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this may answer it....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK31HIGwaE4
and posters out here are saying the Strike King is 4 boards weaker or to the right of the Ringer but that it has a slightly more angular or sharper move at the breakpoint.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS good questions Jazlar
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Interesting. From Jay's video, it appears that the MP is stronger than the Ringer. So therefore the Strike King should be even weaker. I will note that my MP is drilled more for length. I have another one that was drilled Rico - which did not work with my two handed release (ended up rolling over the finger holes). I had it plugged and redrilled, but I'm not really using it. It's also drilled more for length, but with the pin in a different position. I suppose I could get another one and use a pin under drilling. But perhaps a Strike King drilled pin under will give me what I'm looking for.
I do know that I've seen different reactions out of the same balls when I throw them as opposed to the reactions in Jay's videos (and I've watched/bowled against him, as we live in the same city). But that's all due to drillings/surfaces and our different styles.
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I don't see the MP being stronger than the Ringer! The trouble with the MP is the over/under I see with it and I've had guys quit using the MP cause of that reason! The cover on the Ringer reads the lane better than the MP and if you keep the MP in the oil it pushes forever, but jumps off the friction! My Misfit solid is just under the Marauder and closer to the Ringer! The Misfit are going for a great price and I prefer the Strike King to the MP, but that's just me!! I've had guys test my stuff and I didn't have anybody that didn't like the Strike King! They had weren't big fans of the MP, but they said it was a ok ball!!! Just my $.02, Bruce
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First Impressions! This Pink Black just drilled up and maybe not legal is very similar to my Sonic X Solid though drilled a touch stronger.
It almost acts like a Solid but not quite just a touch stronger off friction than my Sonic X solid. Drilled 4 inch pin to pap, near stacked with cg back a little towards the grip center, can still probably use a weighthole. Even the break shape is like the other Sling shots however the cover moves more in the oil and then smoother when encountering friction than other Slingshots(pearl 17 powerkoil pearl), but still powerful. This one is supposed to be Activator! More grab in oil than the PK17 pearl and while strong off the friction still smoother than most pearls.
I think once I give it little TLC by getting the thumb to come off clean, in addition I will try to fix the potential for Static weight problems by putting a reaction changing weighthole in it. I believe it will make it a little earlier on our now wetter league shot.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS will update
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An update....
This ball was legal but barely on side weight and usually that combo with my roll(strong side roll), leads to a late break and sharp too late move off the spot. So it was with this ball and all with strong side for my roll.
Ball even with CG below the midline had finger so I drilled the fingers deeper and did the middle even deeper than the middle to raise the side weight to illegal. Now the result pre weighthole was illegal side and finger converted to thumb. This gave me the opportunity to drill the weighthole down my VAL 1.5 inches and take out about 1/2 side. This resulted in less top, 1/2 ounce side and neutral finger/thumb.
Now the ball is smoothed out but has more total move off of a smooth earlier breakpoint! IDEAL!
the slightly wetter versions of last years wet/dry took out old faithful my Sonic X solid and threw up 9 and it smoothly flushed with it's rounded move and "ring me up a 7 pin please". Took the Activator covered version of this Sling and playing the same line it high flushed and they crumbled.
This ball because of the pearly nature has more energy and a little more total drive due to it's higher diff and coverstock. Even though the move is the exact same rounded look as the Sonic X it has that small bit of extra in this control ball class to give great carry and energy retention if a rounded move ball reaction is enough to carry the day!
I'm very excited about my choice of this as a possible upgrade to very well liked and almost loved Sonic X solid!
I love it when a plan comes together!
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS do not confuse this Purple black to any other of the Slingshot pearls with PK17, this one is different, earlier with less off the dry!