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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: dR3w on August 25, 2014, 09:08:36 AM
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These two just showed up on the PBA website. No specs given.
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Mastermind Intellect has Honor Roll A+ Solid Cover... I wonder how many original Masterminds will I see for sale to "upgrade" to the new intellect ::)
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dR3w - could I get an address to the PBA site you are referring to please?
I have always tried the USBC Approved ball list but there is nothing there.. as of yet.
Thanks!
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Looks pretty. Curious about the Brute.....should be getting due for another Legend series release as well.
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dR3w - could I get an address to the PBA site you are referring to please?
I have always tried the USBC Approved ball list but there is nothing there.. as of yet.
Thanks!
You have to be a PBA member to get to that part of the site, as I don't think you can see the links unless you log in. I don't think I am giving anything away, by posting what is seen there. I will delete the price, although, it will probably be exactly what you can get it for online typically. The same price as the Mastermind and Melee respectively.
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Brunswick Brute – PBA Member Offer
Brunswick Brute is available for PBA use starting September 4, 2014. For technical information, visit our website at www.bowlwithbrunswick.com. Cost: /EACH (shipping and handling included), limited to (2) two balls.
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Brunswick Mastermind Intellect – PBA Member Offer
Brunswick Mastermind Intellect is available for PBA use starting September 4, 2014. For technical information, visit our website at www.bowlwithbrunswick.com. Cost: /EACH (shipping and handling included), limited to (2) two balls.
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I'm interested in the Brute. I don't like the look of the original melee and the Cross seems a little too strong for what I'm looking for.
After watching the video, Brunswick has me sold on this one. I've been on the fence between a few balls, but damn the Brute looks good
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I never purchased either of the Mastermind or Genius, although I looked at them pretty, pretty hard. Instead, I purchased two Radical Reax Pearls (original) and a Reax Version 2. The Reax Pearl original, at least in my opinion, did more for me on heavy oil/long patterns (both pin up and pin down) than the Reax Version 2 (solid), which supposedly was designed to do more. For me, the Reax Version 2 (solid) is barely a step above my Beatdowns, which I absolutely like using.
That said, I must say that I am impressed with the Mastermind Intellect; it definitely has that 'wow' factor. I can see myself getting one and having it drilled pin-down and slightly aggressive layout.
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So I wasn't going to say anything about the marketing fail here, and I won't, but I thought they had a cool line with the melee.
Any who, I showed my gf the brute logo on the ball...at a slight angle. She said, 'do they know it looks really phallic?'
I'm lol’ing.
That intellect looks amazing though! Reminds me of my old radical inferno, I love it!
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When I first got into bowling my coach convinced me to get a Brunswick ball. It was the Time Zone and I fell in love with it until I got my Inferno. I loved that ball. After getting back into bowling I was lucking at Brunswick but thought I should try some new stuff since back then I always looked at everything else but stuck with Brunswick. These Mastermind series balls are making me regret that decision. I love the balls that I currently have in my arsenal, but these balls are something to behold. If I were a richer man, I'd have about 4 new balls, all from Brunswick right now. I'm a fan of their "rolly" characteristics, and even with these new looks I'm still a fan.
Carry on Brunswick, carry on.
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Brunswick's logos here lately look like something my third grade daughter drew.
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Agree on the Brute logo and Mastermind are a bit weak. I'd rather see just the name on the ball vs a bad drawing. Keep it simple. I guess you could have a phallic series. "Brute Punch" would be next maybe.......
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I think brute force would be more likely.
I think Brunswick is really back in the game. Take a Melee Cross, Brute, and a strike king and you have most conditions covered especially on a house shot. If you see more oil just take a mastermind or intellect
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For me a logo is just like a smell on a ball, it just doesn't matter. As long as the ball preforms for me that is the determining factor. The videos look amazing, but as always, will wait to see them in person before making a final decision.
The intellect colors are great, but I do not feel there is a place for it in my game. The brute may be a different story.
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I have never seen a low rg solid pop like that on the back end
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That's why I love that line. "Mastermind" Great line and have been a game changer since I have been with Brunswick.
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Not to knock anything, but does anyone watch the Intellect roll and think Brutal Nightmare? Numbers are really similar, roll is really similar . .
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Agree on the Brute logo and Mastermind are a bit weak. I'd rather see just the name on the ball vs a bad drawing. Keep it simple. I guess you could have a phallic series. "Brute Punch" would be next maybe.......
The mastermind series, is spot on and 'smart.' Brute seems OK too, just it looks like something that is out of date.
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Not to knock anything, but does anyone watch the Intellect roll and think Brutal Nightmare? Numbers are really similar, roll is really similar . .
I don't see that. I've seen quite a few brutals and they all seemed to squirt in oil and be too strong in the dry without a weak layout.
The intellect seems to have a nice strong roll through the deck after it leaves the oil and transitions
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I bet this one acts the same . . just looking at the fresh oil vids for both of them side by side, they look really similar. I have a Brutal . . rolls just like the Intellect looks on the fresh.
Not to knock anything, but does anyone watch the Intellect roll and think Brutal Nightmare? Numbers are really similar, roll is really similar . .
I don't see that. I've seen quite a few brutals and they all seemed to squirt in oil and be too strong in the dry without a weak layout.
The intellect seems to have a nice strong roll through the deck after it leaves the oil and transitions
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Agree on the Brute logo and Mastermind are a bit weak. I'd rather see just the name on the ball vs a bad drawing. Keep it simple. I guess you could have a phallic series. "Brute Punch" would be next maybe.......
The mastermind series, is spot on and 'smart.' Brute seems OK too, just it looks like something that is out of date.
the Brute is the same concept Storm used 2 years ago. Low rg, low diff solid and or pearl aka IQ Tour Solid and Pearl. Many companies have been doing this for a while, it is just that the Gold ball took flight unlike many of the others.
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Yeah . . the IQ Pearl still has a very unique roll to it that's almost hard to identify. Brunswick was catching up to technology there for a while, but now they're kind of falling behind. The Mastermind was basically a Virtual Gravity. It's not that the equipment is bad, it's good stuff, it's just being done years after everybody else has done it . .
Agree on the Brute logo and Mastermind are a bit weak. I'd rather see just the name on the ball vs a bad drawing. Keep it simple. I guess you could have a phallic series. "Brute Punch" would be next maybe.......
The mastermind series, is spot on and 'smart.' Brute seems OK too, just it looks like something that is out of date.
the Brute is the same concept Storm used 2 years ago. Low rg, low diff solid and or pearl aka IQ Tour Solid and Pearl. Many companies have been doing this for a while, it is just that the Gold ball took flight unlike many of the others.
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Old technology. Really. Storm has been using R2S for nearly 5 years now. Thats nothing new to the industry. The Mastermind is 10x better than the junk storm has been coming out with lately ( Vivid, Sync, Byte).
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Falling backwards?!
This isn't 2009
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Utah, Brunswick, and motiv are the cream of the crop right now....that's all I know!
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Falling backwards?!
This isn't 2009
It is amazing how that 2009 stuff you mention, rolls better than most new pieces from other companies. Just sayin'. The proof is on tour.
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The proof is on the tour, but hype has a lot to do with it as well.
Everyone has preferences, certain people "think" they bowl better with certain companies, and some people just are on a band wagon. The only thing I know is that good pieces are being put out on the market and it's in our best interest to enjoy it.
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Wasn't talking about 2009 Storm.
Was referring to 2009 Brunswick vs now
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I have to say, the Intellect's motion looks good and the coloring reminds me of the Track 811 C/T. Even though I don't throw Brunswick (throw a mixed Storm/Roto/Motiv arsenal), Brunswick has really stepped up and put out several good balls over the past few years.
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Some times a person makes a decision purely on empirical, statistical data. Other times a person makes a decision simply on a hunch or appearance. Being away from bowling as long as I was (18 years), I didn't just go on craze or knee-jerk reaction in making ball choices. I did my due diligence by reviewing as much information as I could before deciding to buy my first Brunswick piece, a Burgundy Ringer.
I've gotten some grief from people whom I've bowled against in pot games -- and even the guy who has drilled all my pieces this year. But I've made Brunswick equipment work for me, and that's all that really matters. Not to mention, I'm beginning to see a return on my investment in terms of money made.
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Didn't mean backwards, meant behind . .
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I love when people mention the tour. Because that actually means something to anyone. Ive not thrown storm or rg in years but have no need to. The stuff looks and rolls good but I have had better. Its all close with the exception of a few brands that seem to struggle a little here lately.
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In regards to the tour, it is the highest level of professionalism in our sport. So the most dominant company on said tour must be doing something right. You can have the best bow shooter in the world, but if his arrows are warped, it won't matter how good of a shot he is. So why not use the best arrows available?
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I haven't watched the pba tour in some time because it's boring. You are saying its the best equipment because it has the most bowlers winning im guessing?
How many staff players on the pba national tour does storm/rg have? How does that compare to other manufactures?
When I look at the 2014 money winners I don't see anything that screams Storm/Rg is anything more or less. Since 99% of the bowling community isn't on tour id say its very irrelevant. None of us get ball reps and a endless supply of equipment like the tour player either. Yet somehow we still go bowl.
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Perception has a lot to do with marketing. These types of conversations about which company is berter or not is cyclical. Back 35 years ago, everyone was filling their double bags with Ebonite Gyro series equipment, Brunswick LT-48s, and the Columbia dot series. Then everyone had Hammer, AMF Angles and Columbia 300 (any of the dots series) 30 years ago. Twenty-five years ago, everyone had Hammer equipment or Brunswick Rhino equipment with a smattering of Columbia. Twenty years ago, it was Track equipment and Brunswick Zone equipment . . . Now it's Storm this, Roto Grip that, sprinkled in with Motiv else . . . . you get my drift?
That said, Phil Cardinale mentioned it's all about getting bowlers to believe they've got to get the latest and greatest. That's why stuff's being introduced to the marketplace twice, even three times a year. If you find something that's good, trust me, you can still use it decades later. Find something that works for you and do your best avoiding the hype.
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As already mentioned.
Seriously you cannot tell me this logo wasn't intentional?
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The problem is that there really is no break through technology out there is terms of either shell or core. It has been 20 years since there has been a major technological shift in balls or lane surfaces. That is historically unprecedented.
Example, somebody mentioned that the low rg, low diff core is simply resurrecting what Storm did with the IQ two years ago. Very true. However that was also resurrecting what Storm itself did in 2002 with a low reg low diff core wrapped in an accutread shell.
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As already mentioned.
Seriously you cannot tell me this logo wasn't intentional?
Awesome!!
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That is historically unprecedented.
Check to see how long rubber balls ruled before plastic ones came out. -- JohnP
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You are right about how long rubber balls ruled, but there was a quantum shift from shellac to lacquer lane finish in the late 40's. Polyester balls came in about 1960, but didn't gain mass popularity until urethane lane finish started to replace lacquer in 1970. Then urethane balls took over in 1981, followed by resin enhanced urethane in 1992. Major changes in lane surfaces have been just as technologically revolutionary as major changes in ball construction.
Therefore if you go back 70 years, the relative status quo of the last 20 years is lengthy.
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True, I ignored the lane finish factor and I'm not sure how long the rubber ball/shellac finish combo ruled. I've heard from good sources that the switch from lacquer to urethane finish was driven by insurance companies because of the increased fire safety during finishing the lanes. I've seen the result of a bowling alley fire and it wasn't pretty. -- JohnP
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Switch from lacquer was partly insurance driven, as lacquer was what they called a red label ( highly flammable ) product. However less maintenance was also a factor. Lacquer wore off quickly, and almost everyone dragged a new coat at least once during mid season. Urethanes, some of which were an epoxy base, were much more durable. They also dramatically changed the friction factor compared to lacquer when oiled. It was with the transition to urethane that the carry down phenomenum first appeared. Oil seemed to skitter around like mercury on the hard surface, rather than track like it did on lacquer. Polyester balls, which had been around for 10 years, suddenly were found to work much better than hard rubber on the urethane finishes. In a way it was the transition to the urethane finish that started the revolution in ball technology.
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Hence, avabob, the ol' term track house from the lacquer era and early urethane finish era.
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Yep. They all turned into a track shot. You could really score on lacquer even if they didn't wall them up ( usually off the corner if they did ). Track broke down real nicely with no big jumps required. Not uncommon to get into 4th arrow, but it usually only happened in a long format tournament.
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Wasn't this post about the mastermind intellect and brute?
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As already mentioned.
Seriously you cannot tell me this logo wasn't intentional?
DONG!!!!!!