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Title: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on May 02, 2006, 11:49:25 PM: Does anyone have any info. on these new releases?
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Jeffrevs on May 03, 2006, 07:50:03 AM: What/where would this fit, replace, etc etc....

BVP lineup is pretty solid,...yes?
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: shelley on May 03, 2006, 07:55:49 AM: I think the Nemesis and Goliath are discontinued now.

SH
Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on May 03, 2006, 08:06:16 AM: quote:
I think the Nemesis and Goliath are discontinued now.

SH

You are correct.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Jeffrevs on May 03, 2006, 08:13:59 AM: probably a Goliath replacement seeings as that one was first
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on May 03, 2006, 08:20:14 AM: Sorry, decided to incorporate both into a single post instead of flooding the forum.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: HamPster on May 03, 2006, 12:26:22 PM: The Punisher has also been discontinued. So it would follow that we will either see a high load particle or a solid. Since the Ambush is particle, I would guess we're going to see a solid. I didn't know there were new balls coming out, Rick Benoit was in the shop last night and I could have asked him about them . . .
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: BrunsNick on May 03, 2006, 12:41:38 PM: Punisher isn't discontinued.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: BrunsNick on May 03, 2006, 02:55:12 PM: You know... I'm not sure what exactly is coming out yet.

Still hush hush, the last person in the world they'd leak info to is the King of the Internet!
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: HamPster on May 03, 2006, 04:42:21 PM: Punisher isn't discontinued? You sure? Ron Bragg told us a month ago they were on their way out, and we haven't been able to get them anymore from anywhere. It's one of the older ones, why would the Nemesis go before the Punisher?
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: charlest on May 03, 2006, 06:05:24 PM: quote:
Finally! They're re-releasing the Slate Blue Quantum as a BVP ball!
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It's the Nemesis replacement; it can't be anything else that makes marketing sense. There MUST be a solid PK 18 ball in the Brunswick line-up. With it, Brunswick is no longer Brunswick!
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: MegaMav on May 03, 2006, 07:04:51 PM: quote:
Still hush hush, the last person in the world they'd leak info to is the King of the Internet!

i thought that was Al Gore's title?

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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: HamPster on May 03, 2006, 07:57:24 PM: Actually I believe the Goliath was the first BVP ball. I wonder why we can't get the Punishers anymore then . .
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: headwest on May 03, 2006, 08:00:05 PM: Well my guess is that the wizard will be solid activator on a bvp core and red zone would have punisher coverstock with the zone core..
Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: HamPster on May 03, 2006, 10:39:45 PM: The way it looks, the Nemesis and Goliath came out at the same time. They both were approved by the PBA on 7-12-04. Lol, I'm not trying to be right, it's just driving me crazy. Working in a shop, you'd think I'd remember these things.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: HamPster on May 03, 2006, 10:46:49 PM: Um . . not a chance. The way the trend has been going, the Red Zone will be the zone core with Activator Max (or possibly the Smokin cover, which is actually more likely), and the Wizard MAY be solid Activator, but I'm not so sure they're quite ready to move Activator all the way down to the BVP line yet. Pearl PK18 was used years ago, I highly doubt with the success Activator has had that they'll take a step "back" and put 18 on a Zone core. They essentially had that combo with the red pin Zone Classics anyway. Wasn't intentional of course, but there were plenty of them out there. Solid Activator on the BVP core would be a good move though, I'd like to see it, but like I said, I doubt it's going to happen quite yet until the Inferno series has officially run its course.

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Well my guess is that the wizard will be solid activator on a bvp core and red zone would have punisher coverstock with the zone core..

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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: RSalas on May 03, 2006, 11:05:52 PM: Goliath and Nemesis were released simultaneously in 2004.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: RSalas on May 03, 2006, 11:54:29 PM: quote:
I hope you're not suggesting that red pin ZC's have pearl PK18..

Of course not, silly...*everybody* knows the Red Pin Zone Classics had the PowrKoil LS coverstock from the Monster SlayR.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: dizzyfugu on May 04, 2006, 03:46:04 AM: There's also some Aggressive Reactive available at Brunswick, as an in-between PK 18 and Activator. Maybe we will see some of this stuff back again. I do not think that Activator will (already) trickle down into a medium-priced line. But, who knows?

The 1st Activator generations (pearl, solid) have been used in the Zone balls, and the initial Infernos with the material are discontinued now and replaced with next generation materials. With the CZ gone, original Activator pearl is not available anymore at all, what would IMHO be a shame.

A solid Activator could replace both Nemesis and Goliath as a heavy oil ball (say 600 grit), maybe with a new medium RG core for the BVP line? Well, we'll see soon...
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: HamPster on May 04, 2006, 10:59:30 AM: Ooooh, I forgot about the Fuze covers . . I'd love to see the Raging Red cover on ANYTHING. Nope, wasn't suggesting that 18 was on the red pin, otherwise it would have been a LOT more aggressive. I'm just saying that with the way they set the Punisher up for lighter oil conditions, the "blem" red pins were close to what that combo would have been like anyway, albeit weaker. But the whole point is that 18 isn't going to go back up to the high performance or Zone line, whatever kind of reaction or hook potential they're going for next.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Strapper_Squared on May 04, 2006, 11:05:37 AM: Not that this is even a remote chance, but I'm still in favor of seeing the pearl pk18 cover on the original inferno core... wasn't that the Zenith or Backdraft post from several years ago?

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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: TheDude on May 04, 2006, 11:53:39 AM: An activator cover on a BVP ball with the standard BVP core shape would be terrible. The RG on the "bell" is too high and activator(original blend on OI) needs to be on lower RG balls or it will slide too far and be very irratic.

Activator has been placed on mostly lower RG balls because if it is placed on a ball with a higher RG it will skate too far for most. Even Mo Pinel said it himself, activator is good but if it's not put on an Inferno style core it is will shoot too long. The activator is technically not as early as pk18. The only breed of activator that would work on the BVP core would be activator MAX or even a hybrid mix of PK18 and Activator.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: 302efi on May 04, 2006, 12:10:06 PM: quote:
...or even a hybrid mix of PK18 and Activator.

Thats why there already is/was a Hybrid Dirty Bomb
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: HamPster on May 04, 2006, 02:09:58 PM: I have to agree about the Rampage. It's one of the best balls on the market period, price range notwithstanding.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: DP3 on May 04, 2006, 03:15:53 PM: Remember the Impact Zone cover. Yep. Would be nice.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: icetink on May 04, 2006, 03:28:51 PM: I like PK18
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: clovismaul on May 04, 2006, 06:23:37 PM: They need to put Activator or Activator Max on the Attitude 3 Core. Thst would be an AWESOME ball....
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: BallsDeep on May 06, 2006, 04:50:38 PM: I have to figure

Red Zone=Zone asymetric core with the activator advance

Alot of people including myself like the zone series better than the infernos. The infernos do have the advantage of having the newest coverstock technology. A ball this soon with the activator maxx on the zone core would probably cut the sales of the SCI and overall would hurt the company. The SI on the other hand doesn't seem to be selling as well as it isn' the newest thing. It makes alot more sense that the Red Zone have the Advance from this perspective.

I don't have the credentials or the experience of the Brunswick ball techs, but it is interesting to note that the VZ utalized the standard zone core of the CZ and the SZ rather than the elevated rg core of the IZ. There were two infernos with the +, the II and the AI, but they opted for the zone core with similar rg and diff to the AI. This made sense as the AI was regarded as the more successful ball. I have to wonder, as they only came out with a higher rg version of the Inferno core with the Advance wrapped around it, whether a ball in the Zone series with the advance would use the more similar zone core as found in the IZ or whether they believe that a ball with the low rg core will actually work better.

The Wizard is more of a mystery. I was hoping for the activator to tricle down, but another probably more likely option is creating a new core and using a derivative of the Pk18.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Juggernaut on May 06, 2006, 05:12:11 PM: Say what you want, if they put the original activator cover on one of those BVP bell cores, I will HAVE to have one!

The Big B balls I loved are:

1. O.I.- 'Nuff Said!
2. Impulse Zone drilled 0 degrees (PSA on midline past VAL)
3. Classic zone, although not so much as the others

PK18 is what drove me away from Brunswick in the first place. Had about 6 or 7 balls crack open out of about 10 I owned. Got tired of losing stuff, so I waited until activator came out and was tried and tested before I got one, but was happy with it once I did. Not to mention that PK18 tends to have bad characteristics for me. It either want to hook too early or polish it and it wants to slide too far. Never had that problem with activator balls ( except the smokin, HATED that one!)

Not knocking Big B, he!!, that's what I shot my only 800 series with ( O.I. ), but not EVERONE likes the PK18 covers.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: laner7pin on May 07, 2006, 09:47:57 AM: I would love to see the Red Zone have Activator Advance and preferably the IZ core with the lower diff to get more length. If they wrap it around the std Zone core (.048 diff compared to .038), it would be nice as well just might flip too early. Either way I will be getting one by the end of summer.

The Wizard I would like to see either a blended cover (PK18 solid and pearl or PK18 pearl with Activator) with the same core, or a solid PK18 cover with a new or modified core. Since I have had great success with the Rampage, Nemesis, and Ambush I will more than likely be getting the new BVP as well at release.

Then again...they could always re-release the Combat Zone Tracer.....

Laner
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: VBP-Dustin on May 08, 2006, 02:21:05 AM: maybe a purple rhino pro could make its way back into production
Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: BrunsNick on May 08, 2006, 02:28:53 AM: Or not... lol
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: VBP-Dustin on May 08, 2006, 03:06:13 PM: just something weve been hearing from very good sources maybe an upgrade in coverstock i hope is does come back as wells as some good medium solids
Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: ShermDawg on May 09, 2006, 12:31:35 PM: wizard = pk18 solid rapped around bvp core... different colors than nemesis ...
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Next Level PS on May 14, 2006, 09:53:44 PM: any new info on these 2?
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Traumatize on May 14, 2006, 09:59:43 PM: Unless there is some kind of tweak to the core or cover, I don't see a point to the Wizard, other than the Nemesis just getting old, and Brunswick looking for a new sales pitch. I would love to see a lower diff than the Nemesis on the BVP core wrapped with the pk18 cover, and a small load of particle. I think that would be a great ball for sport conditions. For the Red Zone, I think the Activator Advance is the likely choice, but I believe they should lower the RG of the core, or an even better option would be to add a particle load to the cover. That would make a killer ball. Very versatile, especially with the assymetric core.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Next Level PS on May 14, 2006, 10:43:03 PM: I hope they make the red Zone the same color as the regin red fuze but with lower Rg than the Vapor with a Hybrid pk18 and activator cover...only in my dreams.
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: laner7pin on May 17, 2006, 09:33:58 PM: Quote
3. It would make sense if they use the Impulse Zone core w/Activator Advance for that release. I'd buy it!
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Been hoping for this since heard of the new release. lower diff core with advance cover. Is it release time yet (laner getting impatient)?

Laner
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Strapper_Squared on May 17, 2006, 09:40:45 PM: since we are all throwing out wishes.. I'd like the activator advanced with the mushroom core from the Khameleon (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=19&BallID=396")...

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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: Strapper_Squared on May 19, 2006, 01:02:24 PM: swamp, smash/r, and frenzy? I know they looked similar, but wasn't sure of the numbers on them... regardless, I would like to see it in the activator cover...
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Title: Re: BVP Wizard & Red Zone
Post by: MelvinBrunsTrack on May 19, 2006, 01:46:37 PM: How about a new ball from Big B. A Medium load particle ball