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Title: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: i_throw_strikes on August 06, 2009, 02:42:25 AM
Was looking at the balls on the pba and seen a new release from brunswick called the c-(system) 2.5 and was wondering if any of you brunswick people know anything bout this ball. Says it's a new cover and weight block friend of mine throws only brunswick and is looking for a new long and strong ball and thats what it says this ball is.
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: JustRico on August 06, 2009, 02:31:34 PM
It is a ball that Carmen Salvino is designing. Not much else than that.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: J_Mac on August 06, 2009, 02:34:15 PM
quote:
It is a ball that Carmen Salvino is designing. Not much else than that.
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Wasn't Carmen Salvino involved in the ball (EPX T-1) that was pretty much the last nail in the coffin for Columbia?

Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: i_throw_strikes on August 06, 2009, 02:51:26 PM
are there any pics of it? kinda interested to see
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: JustRico on August 06, 2009, 03:03:50 PM
I do not believe he had anything to do with the debacle that was the Epoxy ball. His last was CSI and about 10 years ago or so. I believe Storm made those.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: SKC on August 09, 2009, 07:41:50 AM
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are there any pics of it? kinda interested to see


Red/Blue Cover - If i remember correctly..

Logo supposedly looks like some connected atoms or whatchacallit.. Sounds like something ABS and Dyno-Thane has done before..


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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: JS on August 15, 2009, 03:49:24 PM
Any info on this ball, release date, etc?
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: nocarey on August 16, 2009, 04:39:59 PM
here's what I've found. . .

Brunswick is pleased to introduce their newest bowling ball called the C(System) 2.5.

The C(System) 2.5 was developed in close collaboration with Hall of Fame bowler Carmen Salvino.  The new line of performance bowling balls features Chemical Friction Technology (CFT).

Coverstock:  CFT 2.5 The chemistry was uniquely designed to have shaped molecular structures that produce a high coefficient of friction.  Because of the shape of the molecule, when the ball goes into rolling friction, which occurs at the back part of the lane, slippage is eliminated and the ball will give you maximum entry and carry.

Core:  The new I-Block core was engineered specifically for the CFT 2.5 coverstock to create maximum forgiveness, strong entry angles along with versatile drilling layouts.

Reaction Characteristics:
Ball Motion:  With its 4000-grit micro pad finish, the C(System) 25 will provide good length with a strong, continuous backend reaction that matches up on medium to oily lane conditions for a wide range of bowling styles.
Reaction Setup:  The C(System) 2.5 can be drilled using the standard drilling techniques developed for asymmetric bowling balls.  Please visit www.brunswickbowling.com/balls to view the drilling instructions for specific reaction characteristics and layout details.

The specifications for the C(System) 2.5 are: Core: I-Block:  Coverstock: CFT 2.5: Color: Red Pearl/Blue Pearl: Hardness: 75-76: RG: Rating 2520: (differential): 0.050: Asymmetry: 0.017: Weights: 12-16: Hook Potential: 155: Length: 105: Breakpoint Shape: 90
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: Jmiller88 on August 16, 2009, 04:45:31 PM
Where did you find that at?
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: RSalas on August 16, 2009, 05:10:28 PM
Here (http://"http://www.bowlingfactory.nl/linked/0709-52%20c%20(system)%202.5%20ball%20insert.pdf"), perhaps?

(edited to fix link, thanks to pnj for the catch   )

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Edited on 8/16/2009 5:55 PM

Edited on 8/16/2009 5:56 PM
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: pnj1967 on August 16, 2009, 05:34:31 PM
The complete link/line needs to be copied and pasted



Quote
Here, perhaps?

http://www.bowlingfactory.nl/linked/0709-52%20c%20(system)%202.5%20ball%20insert.pdf


Edited on 8/16/2009 5:42 PM
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: nocarey on August 16, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
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Where did you find that at?
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it's described in the PBA members offer section
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: SKC on August 17, 2009, 02:29:05 PM

Photo..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21198420@N03/3830447569/

Just copy and paste this to a browser.. I don't know why this won't work as a link..

Peace


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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: nocarey on August 18, 2009, 11:41:25 PM
quote:

Photo..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21198420@N03/3830447569/

Just copy and paste this to a browser.. I don't know why this won't work as a link..

Peace


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thanks for sharing, almost looks like my Great Inferno
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: batbowler on August 18, 2009, 11:50:25 PM
It's also listed on pba.com members section for new releases! It's about the same info!
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: Dave_in_Rio_Rancho on August 20, 2009, 01:09:16 AM
Thanks Ray
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: jbuzz31 on August 21, 2009, 10:39:11 AM
whens the official release date for us normal people?
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: laddog54 on August 21, 2009, 10:48:52 AM
On Xtra Frames 39X60 Sean Rash mentions he was using it some during qualifying on the Chameleon. I did not see it during match play yesterday, but he may not need it with all the friction there is in the Arena Bay.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: rackattack on August 21, 2009, 03:18:08 PM
Saw a few of the staffers using the ball during Qualifiers.
Didn't attend match play.
I believe the release date is Sept. 15.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: kcbruns300 on August 21, 2009, 06:50:49 PM
Watched the ball tonight.  It's ridiculous. Great new ball by Brunswick.  Very versatile and gives the bowler a ton of room.  Release should be in about 6 weeks I'm told.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: JMORRIS on August 23, 2009, 12:54:56 PM
I had the opportunity to use this ball as a test ball and then to drill up the production ball for league Friday night.

This is a great ball, with a very unique reaction on the lane and through the pin deck!

The new core and coverstock technology provide maximum forgiveness and superior pin carry compared to anything else I've seen or used on the market.

I'll provide a full review once we get closer to the release date and I have an opportunity to use the ball more.

*Stats are in profile.

Pics:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/jmorris/CSYSTEM.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/jmorris/CSYSTEM2.jpg



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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: pokerthief76 on August 23, 2009, 03:01:18 PM
ssawe the twisted furys discontiued and wild ride discontinued also right? this must be the new high end piece looks good. get hyome rebate in september hmmm i'll have to splurge and give this one a try
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: pokerthief76 on August 23, 2009, 05:49:47 PM
ok heres a thought... why release the siege? this new ball is for heavy oil according to bowlingball.com? if it is a heavy oil ball wont it take away from the siege sales. which is a heavy oil piece and poplar piece among bowlers? needs some clarification on this. since i am deciding between this and jigsaw and the siege. so what ball would be the one to have the siege or c-system?
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: J_Mac on August 23, 2009, 06:10:05 PM
The Seige is still going to be more overall hook than the CS 2.5.
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 23, 2009, 06:40:11 PM
Oh baby, I can't wait to be able to bowl again! I'm missing out on everything! I still have my Siege to drill, Rattler, I want a Wild Thing, and now this C-System sounds very interesting. J-Morris, i'll be waiting for further review. It certainly looks good.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: J_Mac on August 25, 2009, 11:57:22 PM
Had an opportunity to watch Petraglia using this ball after match play finished tonight.  

A few of the other guys on the senior tour commented that it gave him a look on the lanes that he has needed.  Long and strong is a good description and I'm not sure how serious Mark Williams was, but he said he wanted a case of them.

He had 2 that he picked up from Muskegon earlier in the day and they were basically ignoring the OB on the #4 senior pattern.  I will add that the lanes had been oiled in the morning and had sat all day by the point he bowled on them, but there were only 3 lefties left in match play today.

The only ball he had brought in to compared against was a Rattler, and it wasn't recovering like the C-(S) 2.5 was.  Petraglia was also commenting about needing to tweak the "tame" one to get a bigger difference in reaction from the other he had.  Both balls were still OOB in regards to surface.

Hopefully with these in his bag he'll have a better look in Detroit next week and can make it to match play.
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: bowlingaddiction on August 26, 2009, 10:24:34 AM
The release date is 9/28/88 and it is currently available for preorder on http://www.bowlingball.com for $144.99. They have a pic of the ball and the core with a nice description. I have heard rave reviews as far as a pro out of Indiana saying it was the best Brunswick ball since the Original Danger Zone. Thats all I know for now. Hope to see it this weekend
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: RSalas on August 26, 2009, 10:35:51 AM
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The release date is 9/28/88


Wow, that's gonna be a *long* wait.  
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: EboHammer on August 27, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
Well, it is a good looking ball.  
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: FrontTwelv on August 27, 2009, 07:55:54 AM
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The release date is 9/28/88 and it is currently available for preorder on http://www.bowlingball.com for $144.99. They have a pic of the ball and the core with a nice description. I have heard rave reviews as far as a pro out of Indiana saying it was the best Brunswick ball since the Original Danger Zone. Thats all I know for now. Hope to see it this weekend
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: bowlingaddiction on August 27, 2009, 08:07:20 AM
I'm not disagreeing it was a good ball but I liked the Combat Zone and Speed Zone just as much. But I am going off another man's words with that the quote.

quote:
quote:
The release date is 9/28/88 and it is currently available for preorder on http://www.bowlingball.com for $144.99. They have a pic of the ball and the core with a nice description. I have heard rave reviews as far as a pro out of Indiana saying it was the best Brunswick ball since the Original Danger Zone. Thats all I know for now. Hope to see it this weekend
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the best "B" ball since the DZ is the orig inferno!!!
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: SKC on August 28, 2009, 02:53:27 PM
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Well, it is a good looking ball.  


I'm guessing this was a joke..

I drilled one up yesterday for one our Brunswick-distributor reps..
IMO not the prettiest ball from Brunswick.. Looks like a dull Blue/Red Power Groove..
I could see a lot more shelf appeal if they tried something else than blue..
Have not had the chance to get a review from the rep.. But from what i've heard elsewhere it sounds very interesting..

Not too impressed with the drillsheet though.. I like the fact that they use the Dual Angle Technique.. Not so excited about the X-hole recommendation..


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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: Kid Jete on August 28, 2009, 03:01:09 PM
quote:
quote:
Well, it is a good looking ball.  


I'm guessing this was a joke..

I drilled one up yesterday for one our Brunswick-distributor reps..
IMO not the prettiest ball from Brunswick.. Looks like a dull Blue/Red Power Groove..
I could see a lot more shelf appeal if they tried something else than blue..
Have not had the chance to get a review from the rep.. But from what i've heard elsewhere it sounds very interesting..

Not too impressed with the drillsheet though.. I like the fact that they use the Dual Angle Technique.. Not so excited about the X-hole recommendation..


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I'm guessing you're a bad guesser.
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: SKC on August 28, 2009, 03:27:02 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
Well, it is a good looking ball.  


I'm guessing this was a joke..

I drilled one up yesterday for one our Brunswick-distributor reps..
IMO not the prettiest ball from Brunswick.. Looks like a dull Blue/Red Power Groove..
I could see a lot more shelf appeal if they tried something else than blue..
Have not had the chance to get a review from the rep.. But from what i've heard elsewhere it sounds very interesting..

Not too impressed with the drillsheet though.. I like the fact that they use the Dual Angle Technique.. Not so excited about the X-hole recommendation..


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Tough times don't last, tough people do...

Aggression is an attitude, not an emotion...




I'm guessing you're a bad guesser.


Good guess, i guess..
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: cheech on August 28, 2009, 03:40:32 PM
the seige wlil be more even than the 2.5. the 2.5 sounds like its more skid snap.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: EboHammer on August 28, 2009, 11:26:00 PM
quote:
quote:
Well, it is a good looking ball.  


I'm guessing this was a joke..

I drilled one up yesterday for one our Brunswick-distributor reps..
IMO not the prettiest ball from Brunswick.. Looks like a dull Blue/Red Power Groove..
I could see a lot more shelf appeal if they tried something else than blue..
Have not had the chance to get a review from the rep.. But from what i've heard elsewhere it sounds very interesting..

Not too impressed with the drillsheet though.. I like the fact that they use the Dual Angle Technique.. Not so excited about the X-hole recommendation..


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Aggression is an attitude, not an emotion...




No Joking here.
I have not been lucky enough to see one in person, but the pics I have seen make it appear to be a nice looking ball.
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: J_Mac on August 28, 2009, 11:34:33 PM
quote:


No Joking here.
I have not been lucky enough to see one in person, but the pics I have seen make it appear to be a nice looking ball.


The picture previously linked to in this thread is spot on from what I've seen.
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: SKC on August 29, 2009, 07:11:44 AM

I have to prep the IT-sleeve on the ball i drilled, so i'll take a picture and upload it later so you can see another actual pic..


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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: Kid Jete on August 30, 2009, 11:19:41 PM
quote:
Are you kidding me, what a joke. Brunswick is reeling. The Seige was a huge flop, one of the worst rolling balls i have ever seen and had a ton of hype/marketing to make it almost an epic fail( EPX T1 type failure no but still bad) They are of course going to say its the best ball since whatever ball they had sold a ton. They are just pumping out balls hoping to hit a winner and in reality they are just sinking their ship even further. I wouldnt throw a Bwick ball if it was the last ball produced, i would quit bowling before I threw one.

Look at all of their last High performance releases, all flops and all could be found for dirt cheap 6 months after released. Do not see why this one will be any different. Someone tell me why i am wrong


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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 30, 2009, 11:19:47 PM
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Someone tell me why i am wrong


Will do.

If you have thrown the Smash Zone, Wild Ride, etc. etc. (I have yet to throw anything after the Ride since i'm out on injury), you would see Brunswick is making great pieces. Before I was injured, my Wild Ride/Smash Zone combo would be all I needed on a typical house pattern. The Wild Ride for playing a bit deeper, and the Smash Zone for kicking the ten when the Ride wouldn't. I still have an undrilled Siege/Rattler so I can't give an honest assessment on them, but I know they're going to be great.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: FastTracker33 on August 31, 2009, 06:35:46 AM
There's no doubt the Cell's, Widow's and Gravity series aren't selling lights out. I cannot and will not argue that fact. The Smash Zone was only dumped because the color was only "black pearl". People these days want a ball the color of the rainbow and manufacturers know that's how to sell balls. Anyone who's thrown a Smash Zone should know, it's just as good, if not better than Hammer's Psycho. I compared it head to head and my Smash hit harder and drove harder, while being just slightly longer and more angular.

Anyways, that's not the point. Brunswick makes just as good of stuff as other companies and there's no need to argue about anything.

I just cannot wait for this C System! Well, I need to be able to bowl again first but I still can't wait!
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: kidlost2000 on August 31, 2009, 07:09:49 AM
price doesn't reflect quality. Supply and demand do, along with distribution.

Bowlingball.com has a lot of bowlingballs for sale cheap by a lot of companies at some point or another. Including roto grip and storm. When Brunswick discontinues a ball they clear them out cheap. They go through a lot of different lines quickly. From what I've noticed if it isn't just selling unbelievable numbers they have a replacement on the way and discontinue the other.

I've bought a lot of their equipment cheap and have great results with it. Including infernos and zones. Considering I've drilled a lot of their equipment I can say very safely its a great product. When I can get a great deal on a ball from any company I check the reviews online and then make my decision.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: SKC on August 31, 2009, 12:51:20 PM

Logo - http://www.flickr.com/photos/21198420@N03/3875364104

Layout - http://www.flickr.com/photos/21198420@N03/3875360304

Layout X-hole side - http://www.flickr.com/photos/21198420@N03/3875362180


Just copy and paste to a new browser..

If someone can explain why i can't paste the whole link, feel free to fill me in..


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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: Easy10pins on September 01, 2009, 10:00:48 AM
quote:
Nope not wrong and heres why

1)Balls that are good sell

typical sales here. you either have a great product and sell for a good price or you have a poor product and sell it for whatever you can get, how can you argue this!!!




The term "Good" is relative to the person rolling the ball.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: J_Mac on September 01, 2009, 03:06:21 PM


For whatever reason flickr tosses in an @ sign and most browsers cut off the url after that point.  Photobucket doesn't have that issue...

Edited on 9/1/2009 3:07 PM
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: BrunsBob on September 01, 2009, 07:36:22 PM
The Siege "a huge flop"? Where do you get your facts? We are getting great reports from all over about how useful this ball is. Only reason it doesn't get much play on Tour is because the lower volumns of oil being used. This is where having the C-Sytem ball comes into play. A little cleaner in the front but handles downlane oil a little better since it has a little more energy left and the cover sticks to the lane a little better.

Used my new C-System ball today at the World Championships once the Siege became too much ball. Siege looked pretty good but the C-System gave me more hold since the lanes were burning up fairly quick. Seeing a lot of them in other guys hands too.

Lots of comments on how good it rolls and how good it looks cosmetically.

RoB LaW


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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: batbowler on September 02, 2009, 09:55:29 AM
I've seen the Siege used by several bowlers in some SASBA tournament and the ball looks very impressive! I work in the bowling industry and I'm on Roto Grips staff, but I'm always looking at other line of bowling equipment for my info and knowledge. I don't listen to what others say about a ball, I look at layouts and see the reaction for myself before coming to any conclusions! My favorite ball of late is the Rogue Cell drill pin below ring and mb just right of thumb. Siege looked to get thru the heads fairly clean and still maintained a really strong break point. Appeared to be very heavy rolling and continuous thru the pins! Just my opinion! Bruce
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: BrunsNick on September 02, 2009, 02:29:32 PM
Just got my C*Systems today... They look SWEET!!

I have a lot of bowling balls to drill this week, one of these and a couple test balls.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: Brunswick_fan_BrandonH on September 02, 2009, 03:26:36 PM
Brunsnick.  Once you are done drilling the new balls, how about some new videos?  I as well as your fanbase have been jonesing for some new vids.  Hope the 2 pro-shops are going well.  Go BIG B and GO DODGERS.

Edited on 9/2/2009 3:48 PM
Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: BrunsNick on September 02, 2009, 05:31:54 PM
You know... I just might.

Siege and Wild Thing definitely deserve some video time.
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: RSalas on September 02, 2009, 05:59:25 PM
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You know... I just might.

Siege and Wild Thing definitely deserve some video time.


I've been waiting for you to do a video featuring the Copperhead, Rattler, and Python.

You could call it "Snakes on a Lane."  
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Title: Re: C-(system) 2.5
Post by: BrunsNick on September 02, 2009, 07:06:58 PM
Only a lamer would make that video... oh sorry Jon!
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