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Wicked Siege Initial Review
« on: October 30, 2010, 06:29:07 AM »
Bowler Stats:

Rev Rate: 300
Speed: 17 mph at the arrows
Axis Rotation: 70º
Axis Tilt: 8-10º
Drilling: 45*4.5*40, no weight hole


Condition #1: PBA Shark Pattern, Box surface

Shark was our next pattern and I wanted to see what the ball could do since it's marketed for med/heavy oil.  I wasn't good on Shark during the summer and any kind of different look could be good.  I had a pair to myself last weekend so I took the Wicked Siege, Black Widow Bite (2000 abralon) and Weapon Of Mass Bias (800 grit wet sanded).  The WMB is early and extremely smooth, so no real comparisons could be made there.  For the Wicked Siege, I was playing about a 2 board belly hitting 12-13 at the arrows and 10 at the break point.  The ball was extremely clean through the heads, read the tail end of the mid lane and made a hard arc at the break point.  Carry was very good.  Snapped a few 10's out that looked like they should still be standing.  I could tug it just  bit and still hit the pocket.  Sending it wide wasn't as bad as expected.  There was usually enough recovery to break up the anticipated 2-10 combos.  For the Black Widow Bite, I played about 3 and 2 left of where I lined up with the Wicked Siege.  The BWB read the mid lane much earlier and stronger than the Wicked Siege.  As a result, the BWB's back end looked kind of tame.  Because of the cleanliness through the heads and the stronger move at the break point, I preferred the motion of the Wicked Siege.  That's saying a lot because the BWB is my favorite ball for heavier, flatter patterns.

However, that was only practice.  If I learned one thing from last summer, it's that the league always plays a lot tighter than the weekend.  Unfortunately that was the case here also.  I used the Wicked Siege all night partially because of the better look I had the the BWB over the weekend and partially because our team's fate was decided pretty early.  I fumbled around the first game playing pretty close to where I practiced over the weekend, but I had to keep my speed pretty soft to get any reaction.  I made a move in (roughly 5 and 3) after the first game and had a little better look.  I still had to keep the speed soft, but I had a little more margin for error.  The last game I moved in a bit more, but didn't really execute that well.

To be a real med/heavy piece, this ball will definitely need some surface.  Something around 2000 abralon might be good, but I fear that since it would read earlier and smoother that it might be too similar to the BWB.

Condition 2: House shot, Box surface

I can't give many specifics on the shot since this house shot actually gets tweaked every week.  It's a pretty standard 38-40' shot with a pretty good volume in the middle and usually pretty dry outside 7.  I've used a Blue/Green Centaur outside one week when it wasn't as toasty, I've used a polished Nighthawk M2 and a box surface Absolute Inferno between 2nd and 3rd arrow on most weeks, and I've even used the Black Widow Bite between 3rd and 4th arrow after the standard lines start to carry down.  Between the drying heads and carry down, there are often some ugly scores for the 3rd game.

I knew I was going to test drive the Wicked Siege all night, so I didn't use anything else in practice.  I could tell from watching my team mates reactions that it was a pretty standard night.  The motion of the ball is kind of odd.  Still very clean through the heads, but the back end is more of a curve – right between a flip and an arc.  Kind of like a baseball “slurve” is a hybrid of a curve and a slider.  I'm not sure I've seen a reaction quite like it.  Surprisingly, I had to line up several boards right of where I would have stood with the M2.  If I didn't feed it far enough right at the break point, or got a little firm with it, the ball wouldn't make it back to the pocket.  After the first transition, I moved in a few boards to catch from fresh head oil.  Unfortunately, due to the cleanliness of the ball through the front part of the lane, it barely nicked the head pin.  Like Shark, after I moved in, I had to soften my speed quite a bit.  After leaving 6-7 10 pins the first two games I wanted to try something different.  I moved 8-10 boards right, flattened out my wrist, and picked up my speed.  The first shot look really nice, but the next two were a little fast and the ball never read the pattern.  I eventually moved back in and left another handful of 10 pins.

So far I'm a little confused.  I wouldn't have expected to see a new high performance ball labor down lane as this one has so far.  I wanted the ball to be clean though the heads and be very continuous down lane.  I got the former, but not the latter.  Even on the fresh house shot, too many balls were finishing off the deck at or slightly right of the 9 pin.  The flare lines look good, so I doubt I'll need a weight hole.  It is set up for a P3 or P4 weigh hole in case I change my mind.  The first thing I plan on doing is changing the surface.  Although I like the Rough Buff on my Absolute, maybe it's not a good match up for me with the Wicked Siege.  I think 2000 abralon would make too much over lap with my Black Widow Bite, so I'll probably hit it with 500 abralon to remove the Rough Buff and then go right to 4000 abralon.  If that isn't good, I'll try 500 abralon + polish.  After I find a surface I like, I'll shoot a video.

Here's my initial post with some comments and pictures.  Pictures of all of my equipment are in my profile

http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=267138&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
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Re: Wicked Siege Initial Review
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2010, 01:30:47 PM »
Quick update.  Shark week #3 was way too tight for the Wicked Siege.  Even after two games and my Black Widow Bite was setting up early, the Wicked Siege was still a dart.  House shot week #3 no better.  The Wicked Siege just labors down lane at this house for me.

I did go out and hit the lanes this afternoon for practice and took some video on Viper.  The Wicked Siege looks like a real winner on Viper.  Nice and clean up front, with that nice big curve on the back.  I did throw a few shots with my Absolute Inferno and Creature, but didn't take any comparison video.  I forgot to change the surface on the AI back to where I normally keep it plus I was rushing to get the video set up so my timing was rushed the first game or two.

With the AI and Creature, I play Viper like Cheetah.  Take some hand out of the ball and feed it up the gutter.  Trying to move in and swing it a bit usually leads to massive over/under for me.  The Wicked Siege really shined here.  I liked the look enough that I forgot to try it right up the ditch.  There was a tournament in the house and more people were coming to share my lanes so I just finished up with how I was already lined up.

I know nothing about editing video, so I can't say when it will be ready.  Since I didn't have a camera man, everything was taken from a pretty low angle.  Hopefully you'll be able to see the ball's reaction.
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Re: Wicked Siege Initial Review
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 11:09:56 PM »
All right.  Video is done (I think/hope).  I've finished it as much as I know how to do.  As soon as I can find my You Tube account information, I'll get it uploaded.  It's my first ever video, so I'm open to all constructive comments.  After looking at it, I know I need more diversity in the camera angles.  Part is my fault because I don't know what I'm doing.  Plus I didn't look at anything while I was bowling.  The other problem is that I only have a  mini tri pod and there are only so many places you can put it.  Not a whole lot of flat surfaces to work with...
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Re: Wicked Siege Initial Review
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2010, 08:40:41 AM »
Ball Info: 70 by 5" by 70 Layout no Weight hole.

The Wicked Siege is the best Brunswick ball I have thrown since the original Inferno. It is so clean through the fronts and makes a strong continous move down lane. I have not seen this kind of move in a Brunswick ball in a long time. From the break point the ball finishes strong from all parts of the lane with great hitting power. I would definitely consider carrying three or four different drillings of the Wicked Siege in my tournament arsenal.

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Re: Wicked Siege Initial Review
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2010, 12:11:01 PM »
I'm liking this ball more and more over time.  I now have it at 2000 abralon.  It still gets through the heads with ease, but now it reads the pattern much better.  At the factory finish and at 4000 abralon, it looked good going down the lane, but it was difficult to get it to face the pocket properly.  I left a ton of 10 pins on my house shot, and shot some decent scores on Viper/Cheetah.  Looked like I'd shoot a good set, but by the end of the night...

I'll probably end up using the Wicked Siege on all 5 PBA patterns.  I used it on Scorpion and Viper at box or 4000 abralon with mild success.  Now at 2000 I shot 3 consecutive 700 series (2 THS, 1 Cheetah).  I hit practice on Chameleon today and shot 740.  The score isn't important, but I really struggled on Chameleon the first time around.  Anything with surface wouldn't get through the heads, and anything the least bit shiny went sideways down lane.  With the Wicked Siege I could keep my wrist flat like I do on the short patterns and play a slight swing near the track, or cup my wrist and swing it another 5-7 boards.

For anyone who bought this ball and didn't care for it, keep working with the surface.  It takes changes extremely well.  Even slightly dull, it will still keep that easy length that the out of box finish has.
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Re: Wicked Siege Initial Review
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 03:44:29 PM »
I've found that mine at 2000 abralon is much better than box finish, just matches up across more patterns better and is more decisive downlane, much less overunder.

Prelude to my video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4lTXHIz9mg
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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 08:01:43 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 08:40:27 PM »
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Re: Wicked Siege Initial Review
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2011, 05:46:14 PM »
Some of the new site tools are pretty cool.  I did a full review a little while ago (see link), but since the changes, I was able to add the picture and video right on the review.  Maybe the administrator should put out a short "sticky" letting web dummies like me know what sort of things we can do now.

http://www.ballreviews.com/bowlingballreviews/brunswick/wicked_siege/1106/0/1/ballreviews.aspx


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Re: Wicked Siege Initial Review
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2011, 03:15:29 PM »
Other than my Black Widow Bite, the Wicked Siege is probably my only new/high performance ball bought in the past few years.  Mostly I use a lot of older equipment.  I maintain everything - clean and refresh surfaces regularly; but I really haven't had to worry much about oil absorption.  Powerkoil 18 and Superflex weren't designed with oil absorption in mind.

 

Anyway, I noticed lately that my Wicked Siege wasn't acting the same.  Both the mid lane read and back end reaction were somewhat spotty.  The PBA patterns really need the ball to read the pattern correctly, but even on my house shot, it kind of labored like the surface was too shiny.  I first refreshed the surface to 2000 abralon where I prefer it.  Another week of Cheetah and a house shot had similar results.  The ball had 60-70 games of league play and another 20-30 of practice.  100 games is pretty typical for a ball to lose some punch, so a de-oiling was probably in order.

 

I did the hot water bucket method first.  After several cycles and never really seeing any obvious oil, I ran it through the dishwasher (no heat dry cycle) while the ball was still hot to reduce any thermal shock.  I prefer the dishwasher because it has given me the best results in the past.  I had a Tsunami that seemed dead after the hot water bucket that was great after the dishwasher.  Anyway, after cleaning and drying for 24 hours, it was ready for it's test.  My only attempt so far was one night of Cheetah.  Based on that, it looks like the same ball as new.  My house shot league is tomorrow, so I'll update after that as well.

 

The "bad" news is that it soaks up a fair amount of oil after 100 games.  I guess that's a necessary sin for modern equipment.  The good news is that it looks like I was able to fully restore it with minimal effort.  Brunswick balls have always had a good reputation for restoring to like new conditions and it looks like the Wicked Siege continues that tradition. 


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Re: Wicked Siege Initial Review
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2011, 07:06:52 AM »
Strider,

 

I noticed less of a reaction downlane after 2 months of using the wicked siege as well. I had my pro shop guy put it in the rejuvinator, and it reacted just like a brand new ball.  I would suggest having the oil "baked" out of it after 60 games or so. The few dollars that it costs to have the oil extracted is defintially worth it.  Just my 2¢



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