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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: haff on July 13, 2010, 11:59:57 AM
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I took my used DANGER ZONE ball in to get fit and the the pro shop driller said he could make it fit but this ball is like 20 years old.. "DANGER ZONE bowling balls will not work well on synthetic lanes" the pro shop told me.
IS THIS TRUE??????????????????????
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Completely UNTRUE. Any bowling ball, even a manhattan rubber, will work on wood or synthetics. Its true that the ball may not be the best choice on all lane conditions but the material the lane is made of has no bearing.
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Not true. The Danger Zone might not be good on HEAVY OIL, but as far as not being good on a lane surface, that's just silly.
I think most people that have bowled on both surfaces have seen heavier and lighter oil on each, so it depends on how much oil is on the surface.
That also being said, wood lanes normally have higher friction than synthetic.
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It is an older ball and depends on how much it has been used, may not roll great compared to todays bowling balls.
It would be a good medium oil ball at worst.
If in good condition the ball will still be a great ball on any condition.
Brunswick also has newer balls that use the same cover and are awesome on any condition. I believe the Copperhead had the same cover and that ball hooks all you would ever need and then some.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KEQzmSsuF0
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Edited on 7/13/2010 8:09 PM
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The pro told me the coverstock used on the danger zone ball is not used any more. I looked up the new Danger Zones that are made in Mexico and there cover stock is...reactive: Powrkoil 18 cover stock..........what ever this is?
What was the old Danger Zone made of?
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He gave you bad information. Powerkoil 18 has been used most recently as the Copperhead if it's a solid, or the green/black Avalanche if it's a pearl.
Frankly it's one of the most durable and predictable covers ever produced from ANY company.
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff
www.brunswickbowling.com
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
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By the way, I use my green/black Avalanche all the time on one of the hardest synthetic surfaces known to mankind (Pro Anvilane). I get plenty of hook and carry with a ball that's close to what you've got.
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff
www.brunswickbowling.com
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
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I'd find a new pro shop.
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Well I was there at the pro shop with my heart set on having a working ball when I left. This pro talked me out of my Danger Zone. I had a tight small budget and I looked around and made an offer.
Instead of plugging, redrilling, sanding plus new inserts and a X hole on a used Danger Zone ball I bought a used....................................
SD73 Classic ROTO GRIP 15 pound with all new inserts and only had to drill a thumb hole. X hole was already drilled and polished to a 2000 grit plus a free game all for only...........20 bucks down the lane.
I started to write down the different used balls that were for sale and my plan was to research each one on this site but he said make offer and all parts and labor were included in price..............Will you take a $20???
After a free game with the SD73 Classic.....I rolled a 173 and no spares.
I was happy with my score since its been like 8 years since I last bowled a game.
The pins did not seem to have the lift or become airborn like my old Danger Zone use to do.
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The pro told me the coverstock used on the danger zone ball is not used any more. I looked up the new Danger Zones that are made in Mexico and there cover stock is...reactive: Powrkoil 18 cover stock..........what ever this is?
What was the old Danger Zone made of?
This pro is either not up to date or trying to con you.
The Danger Zone's coverstock IS solid PowerKoil 18.
In the current lineup the Avalanche Green/Black is pearlized PowerKoil 18. The Avalanche Solid is solid PK 18. The Copperhead is also solid PK 18.
See http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/all/
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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+1 on finding another pro shop. One of my fellow bowlers used his Danger Zone on first shift conditioner and had an excellent reaction all evening. A few bowlers on other pairs came by to ask what he was using. We were bowling on synthetic lanes: Brunswick Pro Anvilane about three years old. Many of the excellent balls from yesteryear that were good on medium to heavy conditions are still useful on light to medium conditions now-a-days. A good rejuvination, bath and/or resurface is all these gems need.
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The current Danger Zone remake is also made with the same cover has the original. Both are reactive PowerKoil 18 coverstock. Just as mentioned in the vid I posted. Brunswicks most popular cover.
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" men lie, women lie, numbers don't "
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I say to you to find a other pro shop.I bowl in a league where a guy average 215 with a pearl Columbia 300 Messenger and he is left handed.Beside that I know the guy.I'm going to use Brunswick Attitude 3 which I had not use for quite some time.That ball is 17 years old and in reasonable shape and my wife want to get rid of it.I told her _ _ _ _ no!
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Brunswick's Danger Zone was made from 1996 to 2000 I believe. It's Powrkoil 18 reactive coverstock is still being used in several Brunswick bowling balls.
It sounds to me like this pro shop would rather sell you a new ball than help you with a current piece of equipment. His statement that this ball is 20 years old is inaccurate and his statement that it won't work on synthetic lanes is incorrect at best.
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I would add it also depends on the condition of the ball. It may look bad and have other issues we are not aware of that may effect its performance and may need to be resurfaced or whatever.
Depending on the proshop it can get a little expensive plugging and redoing a lot of stuff to a bowling ball.
Especially when you can buy that same ball new for $100 or less.
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" men lie, women lie, numbers don't "
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Thank you everybody for your help.
Did I get a deal on the ROTO GRIP SD73 Classic?
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Thank you everybody for your help.
Did I get a deal on the ROTO GRIP SD73 Classic?
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$20 for the SD-73? - Good deal. Or $20 and your Danger Zone for the SD-73? - Maybe not.
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I did put the Danger Zone on the house rack. Maybe I should of kept it for back up? The hole pattern was way to small like for a jr high kid.
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I did put the Danger Zone on the house rack. Maybe I should of kept it for back up? The hole pattern was way to small like for a jr high kid.
You got a good deal on the SD-73 but you should've kept the Danger Zone. That ball still works and PK18 is an incredibly durable cover that's easy to tune. I would've bought it from you!
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Find a new shop. The guy you went to either doesn't know much or was being dishonest.
The deal on the ball you got seems pretty good. I would definitely go back and get the DZ and have it fixed. It is arguably the best ball ever built. Definitely a consensus top 10.
And there have been ALOT of balls built.
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ALL STAR BOWLING & TROPHY
LANGAN'S ALL STAR LANES
WALLED LAKE MI
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You got a good deal and that ball will definitely give you some flare and hook.
I also agree that the Danger Zone is a damn good ball and PK18 may be one of the greatest covers in the history of bowling.
Go get your DZ cleaned up, get some new inserts in it and throw it again. Maybe it won't hook quite enough for fresh patterns these days, but its predictability along with your comfort and trust in it should make it an asset to your bag.
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Brandon Riley
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The pro shop guy you went to is an idiot. Find a new pro shop immediately.
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Sweatstain,
We all know who is the idiot is here, you. All you do is bash other people. Listen flapper, next time you go and practice make sure you don't follow through so violently. Last time you almost took out the kid next to you with your left moob.
Your pal,
Freddy
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Toodles
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I think the Danger Zone should play well on the synthetics. I have the Sapphire Zone Solid, which I have been told is very comparable to the Danger Zone, it plays great on the synthetics.
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I went back today and got my Danger Zone bowling ball from the house rack. The proshop dude was working the front counter. I confronted him about the coverstock being in production still today and he said still the resin does not work well on synthetic lanes. Then the phone rang and I did not push it any farther. 20 bucks to plug thumb, new inserts in all fingers, and an x hole. But the lay out to pin was goofy and said x hole will not work in this setup. $30 dollars to plug all holes and stuff.
I was never shown or suggested or told what to buy. There was no pressure to purchase any thing.
Thanks everybody for your help.
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Completely UNTRUE. Any bowling ball, even a manhattan rubber, will work on wood or synthetics. Its true that the ball may not be the best choice on all lane conditions but the material the lane is made of has no bearing.
Second that. Today the DZ might be a medium condition piece, but its PK18 cover is very versatile and should last very long, if the oil is extracted. With surface and a proper layout, I'd even consider it usable on long oil, if you do not want lots of boards covered, just for the show.
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haff....... take ur DZ to another proshop (one that DOES know what there doin!!) have it plugged and redrilled... it will be worth it, i promise
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Yes I did take my DZ to a diffferent pro shop today. This driller will plug all holes and have me throw a simliar ball to get it right. 40 bucks and I go back next week for the fit and test.
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I bought my Danger Zone 2 in 1996 when it first came out and still use it. The original DZ and DZ2 were made specifically for the new synthetic lanes bowling houses were starting to install because they were slicker due to heavier oil applications. So I don't know why they would say only wood, in fact I was told by the Brunswick Pro shop I purchased my ball from never to use on wood or it would scratch and ruin the ball. A little trivia most people don't know or remember is the original DZ was black but the DZ2 was purple. So dark it looked black from a distance but a close look will reveal it is actually purple. I still use my DZ2 after all these years and still love it. Maybe the reason you don't see any for sale on eBay, nobody wants to get rid of them.
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I had the original DZ when it came out in 1995 /96. It was a very popular ball at that time. I had a lot of success with it. I brought it out of cold storage earlier this year to see how it performs on today's conditions. As it turned out, it went straight as a dart. Quite different from how it used to perform 20 years ago.
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Although I have purchased the recent one from Brunswick, I did happen to find a old special edition one on a rack at a nearby center, I used it in my fall league this past year on 39'-41' ft house patterns, and it performed like a standard benchmark ball with decent midlane read.
But as some of you mentioned, definitely not the same as back in the day; will drill the new one in a few weeks to get a feel of the oldie vs newbie. 8)
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I had the original DZ when it came out in 1995 /96. It was a very popular ball at that time. I had a lot of success with it. I brought it out of cold storage earlier this year to see how it performs on today's conditions. As it turned out, it went straight as a dart. Quite different from how it used to perform 20 years ago.
Small wonder! 20 years ago, it handled medium to medium-heavy oil mostly because of the polished stock cover; Otherwise it would have handled true heavy oil. Today it should handle medium-light to true medium oil, for the average revs, average ball speed bowler, with its polished surface. Sanded, it can handle more oil.
Try sanding it. PK 18 responds well to a variety of surfaces.
Also since it is 20 years old, for God's sake do an oil extraction and true resurfacing and test its true self, not some old oil soaked relic, especially if you're comparing to some new modern ball.
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dis is from 2010 lolololololololololol
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I did an oil extraction on my old DZ as well as a complete resurfacing. I tried to
get it close to its original condition. When it was new, I used it off and on for the better part of a season and then moved on to newer releases. However the primary reason
it does not perform as it once did is due to the fact that the lane oils of today are being applied with more volume than in those days. In addition, the oils of today are in general, slicker than they were 20 years ago, so I never expected it to perform as well as it once did. I also have an 18 year old Columbia Pulse that also was a great performer18 years ago, but it's simply not, on today's conditions-- again, no big surprise, and for all of the same reasons as the old DZ. That's why i caution my students who search for a ball that performed well for them years ago. They should not be disappointed if it does not perform as it once did on the conditions it was once
designed for.
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I did an oil extraction on my old DZ as well as a complete resurfacing. I tried to
get it close to its original condition. When it was new, I used it off and on for the better part of a season and then moved on to newer releases. However the primary reason
it does not perform as it once did is due to the fact that the lane oils of today are being applied with more volume than in those days. In addition, the oils of today are in general, slicker than they were 20 years ago, so I never expected it to perform as well as it once did. I also have an 18 year old Columbia Pulse that also was a great performer18 years ago, but it's simply not, on today's conditions-- again, no big surprise, and for all of the same reasons as the old DZ. That's why i caution my students who search for a ball that performed well for them years ago. They should not be disappointed if it does not perform as it once did on the conditions it was once
designed for.
Ok, I had no idea you had done that and in the 90% case of posts like yours, people hadn't; So I thought I ought to suggest it.
Unless you're speed dominant, I would never say that the DZ was a dart on today's environment; that's an extreme exaggeration. Yes, it is not longer what it once was. Neither is the Pulse, as great as they both once were.