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goalieman59

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Twisted Fury
« on: August 22, 2008, 04:52:29 AM »
I have issues with my twisted Fury, I am looking to replace it. I think I want stay away from asymmetrical ball. Any suggestions?
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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2008, 02:14:45 PM »
I was thinking about going back to 16lbs but my back wont handle it. I thought a copperhead was going to be aggressive, I might also go talk to my proshop and see if we can do anything to fix the ball.
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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2008, 02:20:45 PM »
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what layout is it supposed to be,  Brunswick says you are supposed to drill Twisted Fury's 1/2 inch closer to leverage because they already get a good amount of length
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I am not quite sure, if you look at the pics in the sig you can see some of the layout issues.
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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2008, 07:20:01 PM »
goalieman59,

May I make a suggestion?
The TF has a significant mass bias, with its asymmetric core. If your driller didn't know this or did not drill it appropriate to your release/delivery, an improper placement of the MB could easily have this effect on the ball path.

From what I have learned about the ball, in general:
The ball should, according to Brunswick, be drilled strong, with respect to the pin placement, and the ball is intended for some sense of midlane control. It CAN have a decent backend, but midlane control on medium oil, for the average revs, and average ball speed, is, THEORETICALLY, its strength.

Mass Bias placement is usually done acording to some of the specs in your release: PAP, rev rate, tilt, rotation and ball speed. All come into play.

EDIT: Just looked at your photos. The MB is sort of generic, fairly safe, fo rmost people, but the pin is quite high for a Twisted. DO you have a very high rev rate?
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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2008, 07:23:43 PM »
I agree with Charlest, that is the exact reason why I think the TF has been so hit or miss for alot of people. It seems as though alot of people just drilled it normal, and didn't pay attention to what Brunswick said about the ball.
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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2008, 09:37:00 PM »
Drill the Twisted strong. Drill the Twisted strong. Drill the Twisted strong.

Having said that, the new Smash Zone will be a more forgiving option for many bowlers due to the lower RG and symmetrical core. My Smash Zone is drilled slightly weaker than my Twisted and it still seems stronger and more forgiving. Just my observations.


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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2008, 12:08:58 AM »
THanks for the input, I do not have a high rev rate. I took the ball into my local proshop tonight and they are plugging are relaying out the ball as we speak. So we will see when I get the ball back.

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goalieman59,

May I make a suggestion?
The TF has a significant mass bias, with its asymmetric core. If your driller didn't know this or did not drill it appropriate to your release/delivery, an improper placement of the MB could easily have this effect on the ball path.

From what I have learned about the ball, in general:
The ball should, according to Brunswick, be drilled strong, with respect to the pin placement, and the ball is intended for some sense of midlane control. It CAN have a decent backend, but midlane control on medium oil, for the average revs, and average ball speed, is, THEORETICALLY, its strength.

Mass Bias placement is usually done acording to some of the specs in your release: PAP, rev rate, tilt, rotation and ball speed. All come into play.

EDIT: Just looked at your photos. The MB is sort of generic, fairly safe, fo rmost people, but the pin is quite high for a Twisted. DO you have a very high rev rate?
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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2008, 12:43:57 AM »
I have somewhat of a similar experience with my TF, which I also got in January.  However, mine was fairly good to begin with.  Then somewhere along the way, it just became super touchy.  This was after its first resurface, so that has something to do with it since it wasn't OOB anymore.  But now even at OOB(more of a shine though), it doesn't seem to make a difference.  I've given up on it since it doesn't fill a big hole in my arsenal anymore, although that hole would be nice to fill for tournaments.
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John D Davis

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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2008, 01:02:02 AM »
Here's my two cents... From what I can see you have a pro cg-type ball. This is when the MB is not in line with the Pin or CG and for the most part is ment for left handers. I cant tell where exactly your CG is but it looks like you have it kicked right far to have such a big weight hole...

 The strongest MB position is around 2-3 inches from your thumb and located at a 45* angle. Yours appears to be to close to your thumb. I am basing this on my reactions with MoRich balls. I had a couple laid out with the MB being close like that and even stright under the thumb hole, and both seemed to roll very bad for me. I think placing the MB close to the thumb makes it get down the lane far, and then kicking the CG off center like you did makes the ball flare to the highest level. This being said your ball may be skidding and flaring to much at the same time if you follow me not letting the ball read the lane hardly at all.

 I am always learning to the highest level so please correct me if I am wrong. Somebody else may think differently... I personally think you would have had a better reaction if you had kept your palm closer to the CG and not used a weight hole. But then again, if you had you would have had a bad MB location, so you maybe fighting a losing battle here.

 I dont think its a good idea to plug it and redrill it for I have seen so many people do that with this perticular ball and still not like it. I would go with another seletion and just try to get a few friends to try it, and see if you could sell it to them. I liked my TF very much but on alot of conditions another ball like the Ultra just performed better. For the prices it cost to plug and redrill it, I would just be a wiser choice to move on and try the next piece. Make sure your next ball has a good MB location and can possibly be in line with the Pin and CG. That will help alot in great ball reaction. Hope this helps, John

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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2008, 02:31:00 AM »
That's a good point John.  With the CG out that far it sometimes forces weight holes, especially large ones when you may not have wanted one.  But I thought you could just put the weight hole in a certain spot that would be very minimal in affecting ball reaction, just to get the statics USBC legal.  If that's the case it doesn't seem like the fact that the ball may be pro cg matters.

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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2008, 05:45:57 PM »
From the looks of the picture, the CG is at the most an inch off to the right of the pin to MB line, which is completely normal with a lot of balls with a marked mass bias from every manufacturer. So you did not get a blem or "pro" anything. Depending on top weight that might make an x hole required more than having it inline or to the left but it shouldn't require a crater for a hole.

Since with a ball with a strong MB like the Twisted you can pretty much ignore the CG placement (except for considering X hole size to retain legal statics), I'm thinking the drill just isn't strong enough for the lanes and rev rate you have, even with surface changes. Hopefully that redrill will help you out.

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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2008, 04:53:56 PM »
I think the Twisted Fury requires the ball driller to really get a bowler's game down before a layout can be chosen.

The first Twisted Fury I drilled I put the pin 4 1/2 from PAP, 1" from the VAL, and a 60 degree PSA, no extra hole required. The ball was very over/under for me no matter what I did to the surface. I plugged and re-drilled it with the pin 5 inches from my PAP, 4 3/4 from the VAL with a 45 degree PSA, no hole required. The ball rolled much better for me but it died prematurely. I think I killed the coverstock because I played with the surface so much and by the time I plugged the ball up, the cover lost that "tackiness."

I decided to punch up a new one recently as many of my peers had some great success and I was looking to create smoothness without over-shelling.

I got a 0-1 inch pin with 2.3 oz top. (the cg was on the other side of the pin-PSA line so it was quite a bit off.

I drilled the ball with a 5 1/2 inch pin and a zero degree PSA, 70 degrees to the VAL (about 4 3/4 pin buffer). That ball is money for me, I have left the surface in box finish and it is very smooth, predictable, and reads the midlane very well with such a low flaring pin position. The ball is gold on Cheetah and Viper and enables me to keep my angles closed and play more down the boards.

I am very pleased with the second one I drilled.

I can also tell you that my first one had one of those red slurpee straw things in the core while this second one I drilled didn't. I don't know how to explain it, maybe my first Twisted came from a bad batch.

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Re: Twisted Fury
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2008, 07:45:01 PM »
I want to chime in on this one, I looked at the picture and I have a TF drilled pretty much the exact same way. I have to say,the ball reaction wasn't quite was I was expecting, instead of a ball slightly longer and flippier than my Ultra Zone, I got a skid flip monster that's not very controllable unless you know how to manipulate releases.  This ball reminds me alot of the Paradigm from Storm that I drilled 4x4 with MB in strong position a couple of years ago.  

From my experience with this drill, axis rotation is bad because the ball will skid too far downlane if there's any oil at all.  I've tried it at different surfaces and any time I tried to give it more axis rotation, the ball would skid too far and puke on the back.  I ended up changing the surface to 500 abralon w/ heavy polish and keeping my hand more up the back of the ball.  Doing that gave me a pretty good ball reaction.  I need to use it at more houses to see what happens on higher friction surfaces, but I think that keeping the hand up the back of the ball with this drill is the key.  Because of that, this ball is going to be very condition specific and not as versatile as I was hoping for.  But I will say when the condition is right, it's lights out.

My guess is that you have a release that's more around the side of the ball which would cause the type of ball reaction you're seeing.  You could probably get it to work decently well if you know how to manipulate your release to staying more up the back, otherwise it's a plug and redrill with a stronger layout or a replacement.  I think the Smash Zone may be a better choice for you.