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splendorlex

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So far, not so good w/ Smokin
« on: December 12, 2005, 04:41:52 AM »
It's drilled with the pin under bridge.  It's set up this way due to the fact that I traded for it used, and that's how he had it, I just plugged the thumb.  So far I'm having a hard time finding the breakpoint on the ball, and getting a LOT of over/under.  Is this due to the layout?  I don't know much about how the layout affects the roll, but some people have suggested the pin under bridge with the cg out to the right promotes an overall weaker reaction.  I actually LIKE a good skid/flip, and this is what I was hoping for on this ball but am not getting it as of now.  I'm still scoring ok, but just barely.  

 

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Re: So far, not so good w/ Smokin
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2005, 02:02:58 PM »
spendorlex: I love your enthusiasm and your desire to improve and become a very good bowler. Keep pressing forward and you'll get there.

Now, if I can make a suggestion. At you're current level of experience, don't get caught in the quicksand of too many balls and drill combinations. Apply the KISS principle (Keep It Simple), and you'll reach your goals faster. Along these lines:

1) Limit yourself to a straight forward 'flare safe' 1:30 drill pattern (i.e. label leverage) on symmetric equipment. This means that the pin is slightly above and to the right of the ring, cg in center of grip. No weight holes will be required. The advantage of this approach is that you'll get a roll that can match up to a variety of patterns, and allow you concentrate more on mechanics and less on equipment.

2) Limit yourself to no more than 3 resin balls (heavy, medium, light) + a plastic spare. Too many balls too soon just adds to confusion and will inhibit development.

When you get to a consistent 205-210 average with the above 'arsenal' you should have enough experience to effectively experiment with more diverse drills across different balls.

It takes discipline to avoid picking up another new toy, but if your goal is to improve, put yourself on a ball diet and move forward.
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splendorlex

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Re: So far, not so good w/ Smokin
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2005, 02:30:03 PM »
Thanks for the advice thus far.  I did hesitate to leave the fingers where they were, but in the interest of cost saving, I decided to give it a try just moving the thumb.  I'll see what I can do with it tomorrow night in my home house, and if I still have trouble finding the breakpoint, I will have it redone.  The balls I have bought new I have used a different drill, with the pin above and right of ring with the cg just to the right.  That seems to work out well for me right now.  I am also trying to limit myself to three balls, and I picked up the smokin to hopefully fit right between my  Uturn Pearl and V2 power.  There's just too big a gap between those two, and my house's shot seems to usually end up somewhere in there.  (On a side note, if you have any recommendations on something you think would work BETTER in that slot, I'm open to them.)  We'll see if it works out!  I love how it looks going down the lane, and it hits well.  (But what doesn't? )

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Re: So far, not so good w/ Smokin
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2005, 02:32:06 PM »
Splendorlex,
You say that you bought the ball used. Do you know what the surface of the ball is?  It is possible that the previous owner altered the surface.  It sounds like the surface may be something less then box.  Possibly 600 grit and polish or 800 and polish.  If you don't know were the surface is, I would take it to something that you know and start from there.  A good 75% of the ball reaction is surface prep.

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Re: So far, not so good w/ Smokin
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2005, 02:34:36 PM »
I'll ask the guy I got it from, kd.  I have yet to enter the world of surface prep.  

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2005, 09:22:01 PM »
**Update**

Tried it in leagues for the first time tonight.  Started out pretty decent, I went to a new driller and I really like what he did with the pitch and such in my thumb.  I was basically standing on 25 and throwing it right through the second arrow, down the boards and in.  I was getting it high, but getting decent carry and covering my spares.  179 the first game, which is decent for me.  

The second game I went to hell.  It started in the 9th of the first, and I went downhill from there.  One of the worst games of the season, I was getting TERRIBLE over/under with the ball.  Around the 8th frame I finally figured out to play a completely different line, and got further outside playing just inside of the first arrow.  I carried this through the third game and posted a decent series in the mid 500's, which is, again, decent for me.  It seems that this ball REALLY needs the dry if it's going to do anything.  The carry down of the shot in the second game killed me, and not till I got outside the oil did I start throwing solid strikes.  It cleared the heads even outside really well, but a bit too much skating if it catches any oil.  

Next week I play to start outside and try to stay outside and see if I can have success that way.

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Re: So far, not so good w/ Smokin
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2005, 11:20:07 AM »
Splendorlex,  I think it still sounds like you don't have enough surface on the ball.  Your profile doesn't say how much speed or what kinda axis rotation you have at release, but I would guess that you probably above 15 to 16 mph and throwing with more then 45 degrees of rotation.  If you haven't found out from the previous owner what the surface is, go ahead and have your pro shop guy put it back to 400 grit and put a coat of high gloss polish over it.

I had tried a higher grit surface (600) on my Smokin when I first got it and it was very over reacting in the dry and under reacting in the oil.  Went back to 400 with polish and it was better.  In fact, I have throw my best scores in my career with this ball when it was back at box.  (267 game, 733 series on seperate nights.).  

I think this ball is great on medium oil to medium heavy oil for the low to mid speed player.  I think the high speed player may have problems with ball on medium oil because it may skate thru the breakpoint.

splendorlex

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Re: So far, not so good w/ Smokin
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2005, 12:13:52 PM »
I did ask the previous owner about the surface, and he said he did mess with it.  He didn't like the reaction so brought it to 1000, still didn't like it, so then he said he brought it back "close to box."  I don't know if that exactly means 600 or what.  Should I maybe take it in and have them bring it back to 400 and polish it up?  I would really like that skid/flip reaction, that's really what I wanted the ball for, so I will consider plugging and redrilling.  (Just hate to go through that, and I don't know how much more it'll cost me!)

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Re: So far, not so good w/ Smokin
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2005, 12:25:01 PM »
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With the pin under drilling won't that cause the ball to get into its roll earlier?



Earlier than what?

It can only be compared to the same ball with a flippier pin position, which could be higher OR further from the PAP or both, but it cannot be coampored to another ball. SO unless he has a SMoking with another drill, you cannot say, "earlier", because you have nothing to compare it to.

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Seems like adding more surface to that would only make his reaction even earlier, when he is currently using balls with a longer drill pattern.
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