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Title: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 11, 2005, 03:15:00 AM
Ill be getting my nemesis some time this week and the age old question is how to drill it. I want to use lay out E2 but i dont want to hit fingers. Im a high track player. I want a drilling that arcs i dont want this ball to have a jumpy backend. any other suggestions are welcome
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: B-Mac on May 11, 2005, 11:37:59 AM
What type of legnth are you look for? and what type of cover finish are you going to have?
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 11, 2005, 11:46:21 AM
Some thing that will set up sonner then my absolute witch is set up like 2L on brunswicks chart. Im gonna use nemesis box finish i dont want to use lay out 1L thats the only exception.
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: RSalas on May 11, 2005, 11:51:11 AM
Just out of curiosity, why not 1L?  Seems to me that 1L would give you the smoothness that you're looking for at the break, while remaining flare-safe.  You could use surface preparation to control the reaction in the front part of the lane.
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 11, 2005, 11:55:23 AM
would that drilling work with  Top Weight : 3 to 3.5 oz
( - Pin Position : 2-3 ? whats the diffrence between that drilling and E2 ???

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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: RSalas on May 11, 2005, 12:31:27 PM
It should work.  The rule of thumb for flare safety, as I understand it, is to keep the pin on or above the line between the ring finger and your PAP.  Unless you have a long span, your driller should be able to do this by moving the CG upward.  Even with a long span, you could probably get away with using this layout without an XH by drilling the fingers deeper.

The 1L layout will result in more overall track flare than the 2E layout, with the pin-above drilling contributing more to initial length.  From my experience with these layouts, 2E is better on tighter conditions where I need control, while 1L is better at opening up the lane from inside of the track.

IME with the layouts on the Brunswick drill sheet, top weight is pretty much irrelevant, because the CGs always end up close to the grip center.

On edit:  I need to add the disclaimer that you'll want to consult with your ball driller before choosing a final layout;  he knows your game *much* better than I do!
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Edited on 5/11/2005 12:24 PM
Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 11, 2005, 12:33:48 PM
ok good post, ill go with 1l
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: Sir Bowl-A-Lot on May 11, 2005, 12:36:10 PM
No one could have said it better.  Nicely done Dusty.  
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: RSalas on May 11, 2005, 12:38:37 PM
quote:
ok good post, ill go with 1l


You won't be the only one.  I have a Nemesis in the closet that I'll be drilling 1L, as soon as I get enough time to go out to the garage and put holes in it.  
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 11, 2005, 07:35:21 PM
if the ball only has a 2" pin will i be able to make it work ???
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: RSalas on May 11, 2005, 07:49:18 PM
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if the ball only has a 2" pin will i be able to make it work ???


What are your spans, and what are your PAP coordinates?
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Better to be a big fish in a small pond than not to be a big fish at all.

Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.
Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 11, 2005, 08:01:18 PM
cut from thumb to middle is 4 3/4" cut from thumb to ring is 5". pap i dont know =( sadly
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: RSalas on May 11, 2005, 08:15:26 PM
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cut from thumb to middle is 4 3/4" cut from thumb to ring is 5". pap i dont know =( sadly


Wow...with that span, and a 2" pin, it'll be *close.*  If you have a good driller, he could probably pull it off, but just to be safe, you may want to ask if you can swap it out for a Nemesis with a longer pin.

You'll want to confirm your PAP before drilling, of course, but it seems to me that if you're a high-tracker, your horizontal is probably at least 4 1/2" over, which means you *should* be able to go with 1L without worrying about the ring finger getting too close to the pin.

Do you know for sure that the pin is at 2"?
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Better to be a big fish in a small pond than not to be a big fish at all.

Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.
Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 11, 2005, 08:20:46 PM
Hammer bowler.. high track about 1" or less from fingers, Rev rate about 325-350.

Dusty, got ball off buddies it was 2-3" pin so w/e i get do i have a long span ? so maybe ill get lucky with a 3" pin.


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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: RSalas on May 11, 2005, 08:28:27 PM
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Dusty, got ball off buddies it was 2-3" pin so w/e i get do i have a long span ? so maybe ill get lucky with a 3" pin.


Any span that's longer than mine is a long span.  

A 3" pin would certainly be better;  IMO a 3-4" pin would have been *much* better for that layout.  Maybe you'll get *really* lucky, and get a 3-4" in a 2-3" box.  

Let us know what you get when it arrives, and we'll go from there.
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...that's The Curse of Dusty.
Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 11, 2005, 09:25:53 PM
k thanks guyz
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 13, 2005, 10:30:54 PM
its here, nemeis, with 3" pin 3oz top driling lay out L1 E1 or E2
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Title: Re: Drilling my nemesis
Post by: xxZonexx on May 14, 2005, 09:01:31 AM
Ok ill ask my proshop guy what he thinks since he knows how i bowl but ill recomend L2 to him as a sugesstion.
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