Post by: agroves on February 06, 2005, 05:20:55 AM
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Post by: a_ak57 on February 06, 2005, 01:22:50 PM
And you gotta love the ball that kicks out the ten, so he doesn't leave the 7-10 that would lose the match! OH YEAH
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Post by: BrunsNick on February 06, 2005, 01:25:24 PM
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Post by: JPRLane1 on February 06, 2005, 01:25:57 PM
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Post by: a_ak57 on February 06, 2005, 01:28:29 PM
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VIVA LA NATION, VIVA EL DUKE
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Post by: Enzo on February 06, 2005, 01:28:57 PM
Post by: Juggernaut on February 06, 2005, 01:34:31 PM
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Post by: BrunsSean on February 06, 2005, 01:57:20 PM
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Post by: BrunsNick on February 06, 2005, 01:58:39 PM
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Post by: Mr Bass on February 06, 2005, 02:11:47 PM
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Post by: REVOLUTIONS PS on February 06, 2005, 02:16:47 PM
Post by: dirtbikebowler on February 06, 2005, 02:37:58 PM
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Post by: BrunsSean on February 06, 2005, 02:53:33 PM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2005, 03:33:29 PM
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I was looking at different prices on line, and it says on wild octopus.com. that it is coming out tomorrow,
The Storm Vertigo also comes out tomorrow and the Track GP2 is already out.
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Post by: icetink on February 06, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
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The Storm Vertigo also comes out tomorrow and the Track GP2 is already out.
The Vertigo's appearances on TV haven't been too great. There aren't a lot of Track users either so the super heavy-oil handling capabilities of the GP2 aren't likely to be seen by many. The Absolute does look awesome though!
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2005, 03:46:00 PM
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The Vertigo's appearances on TV haven't been too great. There aren't a lot of Track users either so the super heavy-oil handling capabilities of the GP2 aren't likely to be seen by many. The Absolute does look awesome though!
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I could see no difference between the two balls today. The difference I did see is that Ryan threw 2 bad shots. Duke threw one, but he lucked out on the 7-10 whereas Ryan didn't. Being as accurate in the pocket as Duke was today, he would have won with any company's ball. Even Columbia.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2005, 03:56:22 PM
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The Vertigo's appearances on TV haven't been too great.
Keep in mind that there haven't been any great bowlers like Duke throwing the Vertigo either. I plan to buy a new ball within the next two weeks. I know I sound like a Storm person and I throw Storm and I also throw Brunswick, plus I am also looking at the new Track GP2, so I am neutral on the subject of the Absolute and Vertigo. I am just trying to be honest by looking at both sides of the issue and "not have blinders on" thus seeing only one side. There are pros and cons to all 3 balls. The bottom line for anyone in having a ball work for them is the correct drilling for their style and match up regardles of which company the ball came from.
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Post by: charlest on February 06, 2005, 04:48:33 PM
Post by: agroves on February 06, 2005, 05:22:14 PM
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It's not the ball; it's the bowler.
I agree, thats why I said HE made the Absolute look good.
It is a nice plug since the ball will be released in a few days to proshops.
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Post by: gtghm on February 06, 2005, 05:30:05 PM
Edited on 2/6/2005 6:27 PM
Post by: brunswickcomplete on February 06, 2005, 05:48:46 PM
2-17, the ball truly looks great
Post by: mumzie on February 06, 2005, 05:50:19 PM
And - the Vertigo got VERY high marks for sport condition in last month's BTM.
I want ONE new ball. And I'm leaning toward the vertigo. But the Absolute does look awesome!!!
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2005, 06:22:36 PM
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It's not the ball; it's the bowler.
Amen. I agree with you all of the way....That's what I was trying to explain to the people that only look one way.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2005, 06:31:03 PM
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I agree.
And - the Vertigo got VERY high marks for sport condition in last month's BTM.
Amen to that one also. About as high as I have seen on the sport condition and then besides the sport condition, to have high marks in Oily and Medium Lanes also.....Will be interesting to see if the Absolute can match those high marks or not.
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Post by: agroves on February 06, 2005, 06:42:40 PM
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I agree.
And - the Vertigo got VERY high marks for sport condition in last month's BTM.
Amen to that one also. About as high as I have seen on the sport condition and then besides the sport condition, to have high marks in Oily and Medium Lanes also.....Will be interesting to see if the Absolute can match those high marks or not.
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Have you ever bought a ball based on their reviews??? I haven't, I've read the reviews and found them subjective. They gave a Col. Game a 9/9/9. How can a ball be good on every condition for a cranker, tweener and stroker? I give the reviews about as much attention as I do reviews here.
On top of that, I have seen a sport condition only once since its debut. So, what a ball is "rated" on sport conditions doesn't really matter to me. I am moving to Spokane and according to Bob Hanson, they don't even have a sport league.
Sorry, but I just don't buy.
Andrew
PS Stop hijacking mum and brick.
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Post by: BrunsNick on February 06, 2005, 08:10:28 PM
Enough said.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2005, 08:53:45 PM
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Sorry, but I just don't buy
Your choice. Good luck with what ever you choose.
No one hijacked. Only facts were brought out.
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Post by: a_ak57 on February 06, 2005, 08:55:56 PM
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Post by: BigMike_RevMaster on February 06, 2005, 08:56:56 PM
Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2005, 09:04:25 PM
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I think he's saying "hijack" based on the fact that you guys turned a discussion of Duke and the absolute, to about the Vertigo, and BTM
I was pointing out that it wasn't the ball as it did no better than Ryan's ball. Duke made better shots plus he lucked out on the 7-10 whereas Ryan didn't and as Charlest said in more simple words than I did, "It isn't the ball, it's the bowler." I nor anyone else is saying the Absolute isn't a good ball, we're saying that it wasn't the ball that made Duke win, it was the bowler Duke that won. I wasn't intentionally raining on anyone's parade.
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Post by: agroves on February 06, 2005, 09:49:54 PM
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I think he's saying "hijack" based on the fact that you guys turned a discussion of Duke and the absolute, to about the Vertigo, and BTM
I was pointing out that it wasn't the ball as it did no better than Ryan's ball. Duke made better shots plus he lucked out on the 7-10 whereas Ryan didn't and as Charlest said in more simple words than I did, "It isn't the ball, it's the bowler." I nor anyone else is saying the Absolute isn't a good ball, we're saying that it wasn't the ball that made Duke win, it was the bowler Duke that won. I wasn't intentionally raining on anyone's parade.
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I agreed that Norm is great, always has been. He "lucked" out with 7-10 I guess.
I was arguing the point of about BTM reviews. If you read them, you realize they won't say anything bad about ANY ball. I can understand that, but it isn't an honest review if you can't say "we couldn't get it to wrinkle on oil". They say things like, "this is a go to ball on brokedown patterns". Go-to for whom?
Andrew
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Post by: J_L_B on February 06, 2005, 10:19:48 PM
Post by: StormRoto on February 06, 2005, 10:35:43 PM
Post by: agroves on February 06, 2005, 11:20:28 PM
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This just in....... Duke is good. He's won with Hammer, Champions, AMF, and now Brunswick. But of course the B-Nation will take credit for his win. Just like Tiger wins because of the clubs he's using.
Dude, STFU....read the posts where I stated anything about how Duke won just b/c of the Absolute. IF you find one let me know?
Andrew
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 06, 2005, 11:32:48 PM
BTM's ratings are not accurate by any means, but some of the information is useful and is a guide line that can be used for purchasing a ball for certain conditions.....At least they are for me, anyhow. Now, I am going to shortly buy an Absolute or a Vertigo or a GP2 as soon as I can see what BTM says about the Absolute. Then once I choose one of the balls, I'll talk to people that throw it and then decide. I've already done this for the GP2 and found that it may work for me for what I want it for. Based on it's higher RG, the recommended drilling for my style by Track, and my low revs, it will give me more length than BTM said it did, yet give me the torque and backend that BTM rated it for.
Please excuse me for making this so long, but I was just trying to point out to you that I do use the BTM ratings to a certain extent and they usually work for me. Not always, but they do work for me more times than naught.
PS:...You and I have really highjacked this topic now.
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Post by: jimensminger on February 07, 2005, 06:46:16 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 07, 2005, 09:28:05 AM
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Holy crap, that was the sweetest roll I've ever seen on a ball. Anybody who says the pros don't sell balls didn't watch the same match I did.
He did sell some balls Sunday, I'll admit to that and one of them could even be me, who knows.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on February 07, 2005, 09:40:56 AM
Second...how did the Vertigo get into this .....Shafer was throwing the original X factor yesterday....
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Post by: Brian Green on February 07, 2005, 09:51:05 AM
i can also say that i am now leaning towards getting an absolute..... i was looking at the xcel from ebonite, but after seeng the absolute the last couple of weeks, i am definately thinking about that instead.......
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 07, 2005, 10:09:14 AM
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Second...how did the Vertigo get into this .....Shafer was throwing the original X factor yesterday....
Simple answer. Everyone was whooping and hollaring and giving all of the credit to the ball and not Duke of which I disagreed with them on and also that it comes out today the 7th, can't wait, and etc. Since I throw both Brunswick and Storm, I said the Vertigo comes out today also and that I was looking at both balls as well as the GP2 for my next ball within the next 2-3-4 weeks. Also that I was waiting on the BTM rating on the Absolute. It mushroomed from there.
If you will go back and read, you will see that I too said the same thing that Charlest and jimensminger said.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on February 07, 2005, 10:34:17 AM
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"what, by the time I get back..they won't be dead anymore ?.
Post by: JCLives on February 07, 2005, 04:26:03 PM
The point I'm making is bowling is very similar to Nascar. A driver has to have a good car to win and you have to be a good driver to reach victory lane.
Right now, Brunswick seems to have several pieces in their line up that is matching up well with the lane conditions. You see their equipment on the show almost every week with different bowlers.
Post by: Jeffrevs on February 08, 2005, 06:27:48 AM
Yes, the combo of ball and bowler on the right line and right condition is paramount, but at the end of the day...it's more bowler than ball!!!!
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Post by: DP3 on February 08, 2005, 09:50:59 AM
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Post by: Brickguy221 on February 08, 2005, 10:07:53 AM
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I would also agree. The Bowler creates good ball reaction. I'm sure you guys wouldn't be on this Absolute craze if Dave Traber was the one who won on the TV show with it last week chucking the ball up the 15 board.
lol...It couldn't have been said better. No truer words have ever been spoken.
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Post by: DanH78 on February 08, 2005, 10:20:18 AM
And for the all "He chose Brunswick for a reason" people, you are right, he did choose Brunswick for reason. But for all anyone knows, that reason could have been as soon as his contract expired, Brunswick could have offered him mad incentives. No one knows why Duke chose the way he did except for him and the few higher ups at Brunswick, it could have been the ball, or it could have been money.
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Post by: FBM357 on February 08, 2005, 10:37:48 AM
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If I remember correctly, when Rick Lawrence won earlier in the year, everyone said how lucky HE got. Now this isn't a knock on Rick cuz he could beat me about 8 out of 10 games, but he is no where near as talented and proven a bowler as Duke. Now that Duke wins, instead of saying how great he bowled, the bulk of the credit seems to be going to the ball.
And for the all "He chose Brunswick for a reason" people, you are right, he did choose Brunswick for reason. But for all anyone knows, that reason could have been as soon as his contract expired, Brunswick could have offered him mad incentives. No one knows why Duke chose the way he did except for him and the few higher ups at Brunswick, it could have been the ball, or it could have been money.
IMHO, the move was probably contractural. No greater incentive than money. This isn't a hobby but a living for most if not all of them. 'A player doesn't only go to the team that has a better chance of winning, but one who is willing to pay as well'. Rarely will ANYONE sacrifice the dollar for performance. Might as well get paid for being the best (or one of the best) at what you do.
Just looking at the business side of it all.....
Post by: Metal_rules on February 08, 2005, 10:41:02 AM
Post by: DP3 on February 08, 2005, 01:10:48 PM
I'd bet anything that after hearing about Duke and Amleto leaving their respective companies Brunswick jumped all over the two to give them some comp equipment to throw. When you're that good any company will provide you with stuff to make them look good and sell balls. That's the case here.
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Post by: RSalas on February 08, 2005, 05:17:50 PM
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If I would say the Inferno is the best all around ball at this point, how many could really argue that point?
The legion of Ebonite guys that I know who think that the V2 Sanded is the best all-around ball have a pretty good case. I see far and away more V2s on the rack at local tournaments than I do Infernos.
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