Author Topic: Asymmetric and Sysmmetric (Read 3016 times)

dev · « **on:** February 07, 2005, 07:04:57 PM »

What's the difference in there? There isn't much difference for the pricing I see between the Zone balls and the Infernos. Just wondering why are the cores made differently.

I'm a lefty playing 5 boards down the lane(skid/flip) ... anyone to recommend me a ball with a better carry?

Lane conditions prefer would be med - heavy.

thanks!

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** February 08, 2005, 04:39:40 AM »

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What's the difference in there? There isn't much difference for the pricing I see between the Zone balls and the Infernos. Just wondering why are the cores made differently.
thanks!

Let me suggest this.

1. Brunswick's current expertise is with symmetric cores (last 10 years) and they are good at it. SO their premium line is best on their expertise: the Infernos. Seems to be working pretty darn good from my point of view.

2. Asymmetric cores are sort of new, relatively speaking for Brunswick, with the Zones being sort of educated guesses on their part, with, of course, more thana little testing involved. So they are providing premium reactions, probably equal to Morich (the best asymmetric knowledge onthe planet right now) and Track & Storm. So, Brunswick is sort of testing the waters, so to speak, to see how well they canmarket them and to see how the common bowler and the pro shop driller will react to these balls in the long run.

I expect asymmetric cores to soon wind up in either the Infernos or a new product line sometime in the near future. Meanwhile, Brunswick, since Track discontinued the Havoc, is providing the cheapest asymmetric, GREAT reacting balls in the marketplace right now, in the ZOne line. (Visionary only has one, the Centaur AMB.)

Meanwhile, I would not even think of the concept of "I have to have an asymmetric cored ball; so, I'll get a Zone". I'd tend to think, "I want a ball with XXX reaction and one of these Zones looks like what I want/need."

dev · « **Reply #2 on:** February 08, 2005, 04:49:23 AM »

Ohh.. thanks.

What kind of reaction does asysmmetric core gives?

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** February 08, 2005, 05:09:56 AM »

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Ohh.. thanks.

What kind of reaction does asysmmetric core gives?

There's no cut and dried response to that. Basically whatever the cover/core is capable of. In general, but only the most general of terms, an asymmetric can be drilled for any reaction of which the ball was design to perfom, but once you do, the reaction is slightly more specific to the condition than with a symmetric core of a ball of similar performance capabilities. As you can see from all the ifs, ands or buts, it's the ball's designed-in performance, not really whether you have a symmetric or an asymmetric core, that is of the utmost importance.

The bowling truism is ALWAYS,
"You buy a ball reaction; you never buy a ball."

Jeffrevs · « **Reply #4 on:** February 08, 2005, 05:12:17 AM »

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Ohh.. thanks.

What kind of reaction does asysmmetric core gives?

Dev, with a driller that knows what their doing, an asymetric core can do anything you want it to do. You can drill them simply, or you can tweak them till the day is long to perfectly suit the reaction you're looking for....
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dev · « **Reply #5 on:** February 08, 2005, 06:12:06 AM »

Oh.. but i thought a ball can't be drill too many times?

Anyway, thanks guys.

Appreciated.

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** February 08, 2005, 01:18:29 PM »

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Actually Dev, a regular symmetric ball like the Inferno's and the BVP ball's have a limited amount of drillings to acomodate the type of reaction the bowler is looking for with out buying a six ball arsenal, the Asymmetrical ball's are more playable meaning you can cover more lane types than with a traditional weight core! !

Clemson300,

I am not 100% to be convinced of that. I see some of that with Morich and a little less with Track Asymmetric cores but I believe that's due to the shape of the cores, especially the Morich ones. When you turn them on their sides you can have one long tall core for flippy, length reaction; turn them another 90 degrees and you have a fatter core for more even roll and an earlier reaction. Some of their oilers can handle some pretty dry condiitons. I haven't seen that with Classic Zones .. yet.

Edited on 2/8/2005 9:44 PM

Steven · « **Reply #7 on:** February 08, 2005, 01:21:30 PM »

Clemson300 nailed it pretty well. I just want to add that asymmetrics also provide more opportunity to mess up the drill. You can get some real odd pin-cg-mb configurations (they are not all straight line) where the end drilling results can be considerably off from what you expect.
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DP3 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 08, 2005, 02:07:59 PM »

Hey Charlest, leave my name out of this!

lol

Wouldn't the Wild series from Columbia and the Tornado line from Ebonite be the cheapest Assymetrics? They just aren't marked with mass bias indicators but they are assymetrical.
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...and I throw Hammers

charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** February 08, 2005, 08:48:01 PM »

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Hey Charlest, leave my name out of this!
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-DP3
...and I throw Hammers

dorry; will re-edit.

charlest · « **Reply #10 on:** February 08, 2005, 08:54:17 PM »

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Lets look at it this way. An asymetric core would give a bowler the ability to have a relatively larger arsenal array with 4 or maybe 6 classic zones all drilled differently than would be possible with 4 or 6 Infernos.

I'd agree with this 100% due to the power and flexibility of the Activator cover. Sanded, this pearl cover gets very early and very strong. Sanded veyr fine (circa 2000 grit) and then repolished can give length almost good enough for light oil.

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However, this only really becomes a factor if you are looking for something towards the extreme end of the continuum. For example if I really wanted to maximize my back end reaction while delaying the flare, I could do so to a more extreme degree with an asymetric than a symetric with similar basic core specs. Likewize if I wanted to really get an early roll hook stop look I could maximize this shape with an asymetric. The down side is that the asymetric layout gives the most variety in the narrow area of condition specific reactions. Thus, I wouldn't use an asymetric ball for my go to ball on a wide variety of conditions. I could probably achieve such a result, but it would be a reaction I could more easily achieve with simpler symetrical core to start with.

I hestitated to say; so, I'm glad someone with the reputation such as Bob H. has said this. I think many people might object to this concept.

Ball technology (Cover and core combinations, with extremes of each) are getter better and more sophisticated everyday, with such potent innovators such as Mo Pinel and Brunswick. (Wish I knew who to credit at Brunswick)

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