Post by: zone72 on July 09, 2011, 02:16:44 AM
Anyone heard the DV8 bowling before. Is it a new product line come from Brunswick or like the Storm/Roto ?
Post by: on July 09, 2011, 10:33:33 AM
To answer your question, it is both.
It is a new brand from Brunswick, just like Roto Grip is a Storm brand. At least that's how I understand it.
Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff
www.brunswickbowling.com
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Post by: charlest on July 09, 2011, 11:48:43 AM
"None are so blind as those who will not see."
Post by: BrunsNick on July 11, 2011, 11:08:55 AM
Every once in a while, a company must take a step back, observe the business, and think strategically about how to bring products to market that serve the growing consumer groups. We at Brunswick have done this, and as a result of this process, we are proud to announce the introduction of a new brand of bowling balls – DV8.
The DV8 brand is being introduced to satisfy today’s younger consumers who want a more aggressive brand personality and a ball motion that is longer and stronger on the backend. The DV8 brand will have an edgier feel with marketing and ball names, and the DV8 bowling balls will provide more length and more aggressive backend reaction.
DV8 will show its aggressive personality in the marketing and in the products themselves. DV8 bowling balls will look different on the shelves and will perform different on the lanes. A DV8 bowling ball will not be just another Brunswick ball. DV8 bowling balls will feature new core designs, new coverstocks, brighter colors, and outrageous names. In addition, DV8 balls will be backed by a 2-YEAR WARRANTY.
With the launch of the DV8 product line, there will initially be four balls in three price points including affordable performance, advanced performance, and pro performance.
DV8 Misfit
Misfit, DV8’s affordable performance ball, is available in two color combinations and features a performance core in a standard reactive coverstock and bright neon colors with enhanced glow under black light. The Misfit is designed to provide controllable hook motion on medium to light oil lane conditions. In black light conditions, the Misfit is extremely vibrant making it a real attention-getter among recreational bowlers.
DV8 Reckless
Reckless, DV8’s advanced performance ball, features a bright, blue/green pearl color combination in a versatile reactive coverstock around a symmetric core to provide good all-purpose ball motion on medium oil lane conditions.
DV8 Hell Raiser
Hell Raiser, DV8’s pro performance ball features the most aggressive coverstock wrapped around a strong asymmetric core for maximum performance on medium to heavy oil lane conditions.
For the latest DV8 product information, check out www.damngoodbowling.com.
Nick Smith - Brunswick Product Specialist/NW
We like you so you should like us!
Post by: solid9proshop on July 11, 2011, 02:34:49 PM
Its still made in Mexico , and we dont promote balls that are not made in the USA, and never will!
Greatness starts at the Pro Shop, there are no bad balls just bad ball drillers!!!
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Post by: on July 11, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
solid 9,
That is your prerogative. Somehow Brunswick will try to survive without you.
The Mexico excuse is still somewhat amazing to me, when all you have to do is look at the labels of your pants, shoes, etc. do some research about your "American made" vehicle that was probably also assembled in another country.
Do you sell Columbia White Dots? What about those Storm spare balls? They are made overseas. How does that rub you? Or are you just predjudiced against Mexico? Have you been to the plant where your "U.S.A made" equipment is manufactured? Would you feel betrayed to know that there are some very hard working people from Mexican and other Hispanic descent manufacturing your precious made in the USA equipment?
Please enlighten us some more...
Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff
www.brunswickbowling.com
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Edited by notclay on 7/11/2011 at 8:39 PM
Post by: Brian Green on July 11, 2011, 02:57:36 PM
"USAbowlersmart.com - only the best Survive"
PBA East region member
Post by: Axis Tilter on July 11, 2011, 03:07:56 PM
all columbia white dots are manufactured in the hopkinsville plant. they were in china for just a little while, and decided they would rather pay an american a higher salary and profit a bit less.
it's all about choice, there's no right or wrong answer.
Post by: DON DRAPER on July 11, 2011, 03:07:57 PM
solid9proshop, you are certainly entitled to your opinion on buying Brunswick equipment because of where they're made. But, I guess you don't stock any bowling bags or shoes do you ?
The computer you posted this reply on wasn't made in this country either. Today's market is a WORLD WIDE MARKET. If you can't adjust to that you may end up like the dinosaur.
By the way my "foreign" 2011 Honda Accord EX-L was made in Marysville, Ohio, with 80% of the parts coming from this country. By comparison, a "domestic" 2011 Ford Taurus was made in this country with only 60% of the parts being made in this country.
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on July 11, 2011, 03:12:21 PM
"Greatness starts at the Pro Shop, there are no bad balls just bad ball drillers!!!"
What a joke of a slogan with an attitude like that. Hey, Rumplestiltskin! Time to wake up, it's a global economy out there. What happened, did it pass by your one traffic light cow depot?
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: Brian Green on July 11, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
"USAbowlersmart.com - only the best Survive"
PBA East region member
Post by: batbowler on July 11, 2011, 06:44:10 PM
So Solid9 doesn't sell the Roto plastic or Storm plastic cause they're made in China! Whoops, shoes made in China, bowling bags made overseas!!!!
Train a child up in the way they should go and when they are old they will do some "Damn Good Bowling", be a "DV8" and not turn from it, besides bowling starts with a Big B!
Bruce Campbell
USBC Bronze Certified Coach
IBPSIA Certified Technician
Originator of the -35deg x 25 leverage drilling!
http://www.damngoodbowling.com/catalog
USBC Bronze Certified Coach
IBPSIA Certified Technician
Originator of the -35deg x 25 leverage drilling!
http://www.damngoodbowling.com/catalog
Post by: kidlost2000 on July 11, 2011, 06:54:44 PM
People have excuses for everything to justify their reasons. They will say it is not the same with this product or that, but with a bowling manufacture and bowling ball it is everything.
Just say you don't like Brunswick, not because it moved to Mexico, but because you just don't like it. That would be far more believable and understandable. Most foreign autos are now assembled in the U.S. which is fine I guess but they are not "made" here. Most items are made better else where. Considering how far behind we have fallen in so many things it makes sense.
Be good, or be good at it.
Post by: BeansProShop on July 11, 2011, 08:41:30 PM
I have seen much improvement in the quality of Brunswick's quality. When they first made the move to mexico I was completely turned off of the company. They have worked hard to get back to the standards I was used too when all I threw was Brunswick and Brunswick made Lane#1 balls..
I applaud Brunswick on their efforts and have recently gone exclusive to Brunswick accessories in the shop which is a start. I was impressed with the Alpha Max and the rebates really helped me sell more balls. I will stock Brunswick this year as the quality is good again. BUT... Business is business and if the quality goes down hill I will pull them back off the wall. I just dont see that happening though...
Beans
www.beansproshop.com
--------------------
Thomas "Beans" Biniek Jr.
PBA Member and Pro Shop Owner/Operator
Post by: on July 11, 2011, 08:49:11 PM
Beans,
Nice to hear from you again. I hope the shop is doing well.
Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff
www.brunswickbowling.com
The opinions expressed are solely those of the writer and not of Brunswick Corporation.
Post by: solid9proshop on July 13, 2011, 07:09:32 AM
I kno storm makes their plastic shit overseas but it still comes to me from Utah! They still promote American workforce here in the USA! If ur not proud of buying American that's ur choice, we just happen to be
Sorry if I offended any of u!
Greatness starts at the Pro Shop, there are no bad balls just bad ball drillers!!!
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Post by: JustRico on July 13, 2011, 07:20:53 AM
Not to take a side here but as far as bowling balls are concerned....Brunswick is currently the only one who has complete manufacturing out of the country. If a buyer chooses to make a stand in regards to what they purchase, so be it. It is their right. As far as bags, shoes and many accessories, they do not have a choice so to use those as a comparison, is assinine.
Another side to this, many shops that I frequent do not carry Brunswick due to the fact that consumers do not walk in the door asking for Brunswick. The shops that do promote are more of the ones that promote it, not that the consumers are requesting it. Example...I was in a shop, that was located in a BRC center...a lady walks in to buy a new plastic ball....the first words out of her mouth were I was told to make sure I buy a ball that was made in the USA....the guy is in a Brunswick center, stocking Brunswick bowling balls and trying to promote Brunswick, yet has the legs cut out from underneath him from the consumers stand point. Now I know many of you say he could explain the situation to her but if I was the operator, why waste the time and potentially a loss of a sell. He offered her another choice and explained he had to order in and would be a few days and she was fine with that.
Many shops that do stock Brunswick do not even remove the stickers from the balls which I find hard to believe. That would be the first thing I would do....consumers for the most part see that and could diminish the potential for a sell.
The views and opinions expressed by myself are solely those of mine and NO one else, nor are they affiliated with anyone else.
Post by: theop879 on July 13, 2011, 07:49:36 AM
Foreign, made abroad, thats no issue, i want quality.
I've had red zone's from USA and Mexico, the mexican never came close to the USA ball.
I've had several Ultimate inferno's, (best ball before the Virtual gravity)
After a lot of bad B balls(Fury's) i thought the Ultimate REMAKE would be the same as the original Ultimate, never came close.
Flare is not the problem, ball just doesn't finish at backend. The feel of the shell is different from other brands.
another , how is it possible that Mika K is so hot,
Since he changed to Ebonite/Hammer/Track/Columbia het starts winning.
just coincidence?
However, I'm gonna try the DV8 balls, you'll never know, maybe its different
Post by: kidlost2000 on July 13, 2011, 08:26:33 AM
"I kno storm makes their plastic shit overseas but it still comes to me from Utah!"
That doesn't make sense. Are you saying that even though the plastic is made overseas because it is dropped shipped from Utah it is ok. Or were you trying to say that everything else besides the plastic ball is made in the USA so you can live with just the plastic being foreign?
As far as quality is concerned I never noticed a change in quality from Brunswick when they made the move. I only experienced a few bowling balls that the CG was not marked well or had three marks in one area. Everything else was perfect, from specs to color to the product it's self. I'm not sure about the plastic balls because I never bothered with them.
Be good, or be good at it.
Post by: WOWZERS on July 13, 2011, 09:32:27 AM
Bottom line is this. Customers, when given the opportunity to purchase a product that is made here and overseas may want to purchase the product here. On some items, the product is made overseas by everyone, so there is no difference in what brand is chosen.
As for the Big B quality issues, the problem started witht he ripples in the Smokin Inferno cover and continued through for a few more years. Has it been better? Sure has. However, more and more stories of some of the product in certain areas of the country not being stood behind when there is a manufacturing problem is disheartening when Big B needs to regain market share. No confidence in returning a broken product will make pro shop operators think twice about recommending, let alone carrying the product, and that goes for any company. However, add the Mexico stigma to that issue and you are igniting a can of worms.
If Storm or Ebonite would choose to manufacturer overseas while Global, Visionsary, and the other brands were still here, I would exclude the other brands as well and choose American made when it is an option.
WOWZERS
Post by: Xx 12 X 300 xX on July 13, 2011, 09:40:07 AM
They look wild, and have very strong break point movements. They will be popular with the kids, and the open bowling crowd looking for violet back end reactions.
This puts another reaction type in Brunswick's line up, that also will have its own identity.
This seems like double exposure for Brunswick, and double the marketability.
Post by: DON DRAPER on July 13, 2011, 02:34:33 PM
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on July 13, 2011, 02:58:58 PM
"If ur not proud of buying American that's ur choice, we just happen to be"
What a load of unadulterated crap. You have no idea what goes on in the manufacturing world in this country. I do, I am in the plants everyday. Tell me something, "patriot", where did you get the drills you use to drill the balls in your shop? How old are they? What kind of machines do you think they were ground on? Where do you think the carbide came from if they are carbide tipped. Where do you think the steel came from if it is high speed steel? Here's a clue....not from this country. The most essential part of your business comes from somewhere other than the United States. By your reasoning you should close up shop, nobody should be coming thru the door. It is so tiresome hearing this ridiculous posturing anymore these days.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: laufaye on July 13, 2011, 03:29:57 PM
Neil Lau
Brunswick Pro Shop Staff
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Post by: Brian Green on July 13, 2011, 03:45:59 PM
"USAbowlersmart.com - only the best Survive"
PBA East region member
Post by: frike300 on July 18, 2011, 07:55:52 AM
Wow, I thought the whole Mexico move crying would've calmed down by now. Forgive me as I have totally lost track of time since having my first kid 6 years ago, but hasn't it been 5 yeears or so since the move. From what I was told it was a business decision and had to be done. Were there some hicups and issues along the way, mabe. Also, I am hoping to be corrected if wrong, but the Mexico plant was opened with brand new state of the art equimpent, was it not. Let's say the company decided to stay put in Michigan and over-haul the plant with new equipment, does everyone think that there might not have been some issues at the start there as well. It is correct that anyone's choice not to sell Brunswick equimpent cause it is made in Mexico, but I don't think it needs to be spewed on a Brunwick forum. Come on everyone this horse has been beaten enough, let it die already.
This post reflects the views of the writer only, and not that of Brunswick Bowling and Billiards
Mike Freundel
Brunswick Regional Staff
Post by: piper3595 on July 19, 2011, 02:01:19 PM
It is really getting old hearing the same whining over and over again about the Mexico production. Last time I checked this country depends on many kinds of items that are used in daily life that I can personally guarantee you are not made here. In fact look around where you are at reading this post and see what is made outside of this country. That being said anyone that refuses to sell Brunswick product because of where it is produced are only hurting themselves due to the fact of the easy sales that can be made with the great rebates being offered currently. They are also cheating their customers out of great ball reaction that is now availbile from the Brunswick brand. Lastly the typical negative comments from other staffers, pro shop or other, are not helping this industry no matter what brand is being disscussed. In other words lets work together in making our customers better as there is no magic ball or layout that gives success.
Greg Piper
Brunswick Staff
The opinions expressed above are solely of the writer and not of the Brunswick corporation.
Post by: ImBackInTheGame on July 19, 2011, 02:07:26 PM
The whole Mexico thing isn't going to cloud my judgement when choosing a new ball. BUT until one of the other big 4 or 5 manufacturers move across the boarder, Brunswick will continue to get these responses...
The fact that many things are made outside of the US has no bearing since we are talking bowling balls and Brunswick is the only major bowling ball manufacturer making balls in Mexico...
Post by: DON DRAPER on July 19, 2011, 05:26:38 PM
Post by: frike300 on July 23, 2011, 07:29:02 AM
As I said in my previous post, it is everyone's perogative to not purchace a Brunswick Ball because of where it was made. I am just tired of hearing about it, especially on a Brunwick Forum. The Horse is dead, stop beating it. As a staff member, I am very excited about our new releases, as are my fellow staff members that I know, along with the sales staff. I don't see people who like Brunswick, and dislike other companies going to the other companies forums and make negative comments, so let the Mexico move die. Those who try the new Brunswick or DV8 Products will be happy they did, those who don't, it is their loss.
The views of this post are those of the writer, and not of Brunswick Bowling and Billiards
Mike Freundel
Brunswick Regional Staff
Post by: PowrKoil17 on July 23, 2011, 10:11:37 AM
Thank God my Son bowls so I can have a Hero!
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Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on July 23, 2011, 11:17:26 AM
Why aren't cars cheaper when they're built in Mexico? Why isn't produce cheaper?
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: Frederick on July 23, 2011, 11:43:36 AM
Post by: Sunshine n Lollipops on July 23, 2011, 01:28:26 PM
LOL. Right on.
Don't believe in the Uzi, it just went off in my hand. I, I believe in love.
Post by: Juggernaut on July 23, 2011, 02:38:37 PM
You do realize that, in a free world, you have the right to move somewhere that doesn't suck so bad, right?
Post by: bowler001 on July 23, 2011, 04:46:39 PM
Columbia 300 world beater - $149.95
Hammer taboo - $154.95
Storm VG Nano - $159.95
Brunswick Ulti-max - $99.95 after rebate
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Post by: DON DRAPER on July 24, 2011, 05:02:11 PM
For those of you who refuse to buy Brunswick and DV8 bowling balls because they are made in Mexico consider this:
I just found out that Florida's Natural is the ONLY company in the United States that makes orange juice using oranges entirely grown in the USA. ALL the other companies that make orange juice in the USA use at least some oranges that are imported from foreign countries.
Therefore, if you are genuinely serious about buying only American-made products you can no longer buy ANY other brand of orange juice. I believe that many on this site have stated that they will buy a product that is made in America WHEN POSSIBLE rather than buy one that is imported. Here is your chance orange juice drinkers. I have been in grocery stores in both small towns and big cities and they all carry Florida's Natural.
Edited by LBHS1979 on 7/24/2011 at 6:16 PM
Post by: JustRico on July 24, 2011, 05:11:46 PM
Maybe Motiv should buy DV8...then it could be MotiV8
The views and opinions expressed by myself are solely those of mine and NO one else, nor are they affiliated with anyone else.
Post by: Elite_Digger on August 02, 2011, 04:14:27 PM
Never argue with an idiot....They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
Post by: Mike Austin on August 06, 2011, 08:22:32 PM
I hate to hijack this thread, but I HAVE THROWN THE HELL RAISER!!! I'm going to review this ball in my pro shop newsletter and get a review on here too. Thanks to Robert Lawrence for the hook up with this ball.
All I can say is WOW!! This ball has some serious back end, I 've used it on 3 different sport conditions and have been able to open up the lane very much so. I can't wait to get this ball on a fresh house condition. The ball hits really hard, big back ends, very easy length. All in the box surface. 70 X 4 3/4 X 40 ( I think). Pin over the bridge, MB right of the thumb, medium hole down.
I really want to try the Reckless too, if this is the benchmark ball!!
Okay, back to your arguing!!!
Mike Austin's Bowling Dynamix Pro Shop
Houston, TX
Coming Soon: BowlingDynamix.com
Post by: BrunsBob on August 12, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
Well, I've read thru pretty much all of this topic and I really only want to comment on one thing. I challenge ANYONE to say that Brunswick doesn't stand behind our product in any warranty situation. I read a few responses in this thread that basically tried to state that we didn't or wouldn't, and I seriously beg to differ.
I pretty much stay off this site these days due to the bickering and name calling, but I took offense to the warranty statements. Not only do we have the lowest warranty issues, we are also very proud to stand behind every ball we make when an issue does arise.
And yes, DV8 is gonna be a fun brand to be a part of.
Regards,
Rob Law