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Jorge300

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Avalanche Questions
« on: February 19, 2008, 11:14:52 PM »
I bowl in a very competitive scratch league, only problem is it is second shift. By the 3rd game some nights the lanes are just toast. I have been thinking (and waiting and waiting and waiting for, lol) the Avalanche Pearl with a contolled arc drilling (Pin about 2" from PAP, CG just right of grip center, just above center line) might do the trick. Also might help since the last 2-3 weeks we have had bone dry conditions from game 1.

Question I have are:
With this drilling in mind, is the Solid a better idea then the Pearl? I am concerned the Pearl may go too far down the lane with my ball speed (19mph, med/high revs).
Has anyone put this drilling on one yet, Solid or Pearl, and what was the reaction you got? What are your impressions of this drilling on these balls?

This will be my first time trying a drilling like this, with my ball speed usually go for stronger drills, but I can't seem to get anything to go long or straight enough the 3rd game. Thanks for your advice guys and girls.


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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 08:51:38 AM »
i just drilled my pearl on monday night, 3 3/8 pin to PAP and just like you, my scratch league is 2nd shift as well. so last night i was able to play track area with it no problem, but it did go a little long for me, ill be putting a strong x-hole in it today and let you know how it goes after that. i dont throw quite as fast as you but i do have decent revs. from what ive seen with the solid is that its fairly strong for the ratings given by brunswick. but it might match up for you with your given stats
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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2008, 08:57:05 AM »
Yes, I think the solid would be a better choice than the pearl. I used that type of drilling on my Wizard (same coverstock) and the ball was money when the lanes were toughest. It was my best ball on PBA conditions, too, just because it was predictable.
The Avalanche has a weaker core and some shine which may be the perfect match up based on your speed, drier conditions, etc. The nice thing, too, is that you can easily adjust the cover to enhance pin carry or open up the lane a little.
I haven't thrown the Avalanche pearl, but as with all pearls, it will be sharper off the breakpoint than a solid. When they're on, pearls hit real hard, but if you see "spotty" conditions as the lanes break down any pearl can be rather touchy and more difficult to predict. Hope this helps.


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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2008, 08:58:56 AM »
By the way, I've thrown my solid on a second shift scratch league, too. When everyone else was making big moves inside I could still play down and in.

On edit, my Avalanche is drilled 4" from PAP above fingers with an extra hole 2" up on my VAL. The ball was a 1" pin.

I always defer on all drilling expertise questions to the expert, Ric Hamlin. The guy knows exactly what he's talking about - I just try to throw 'em.

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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2008, 09:03:59 AM »
dont yell at me ric
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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2008, 09:19:55 AM »
Hey brunswick guys,

How does the pearl compare to the older rhino core balls? I would LOVE to have another x-zone te1 or te2(the monster scream/r I think? back in my hands. BUT I haven't had any chance of finding that in some time, so if the pearl would be equal, I'm sold.  

I see you seem to be advising the solid for toasty conditions, is the ball THAT weak?  I know the core isn't strong, but the cover generally is.  Will the solid give more of a urethane look in comparison to the slightly longer/stronger look of the pearl?  I'm looking for a dirt ball, so this is my main concern.

I have been anticipating the pearl for well... as long as I knew they were supposed to be coming.  I ALMOST broke and bought a storm ball for gods sake!  Now, I have more choices to make, one of these guys, a Roto Neptune, or Lane1 liberator/xxxl though I certainly am leaning toward a non plastic cover.

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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2008, 10:40:12 AM »
Ok I drilled both of my avalanches last night threw a couple games on a non oiled burnt out pair heads were toast very little carry down left over from weekend 37 foot ths and sme open bowling.

The avalanche solid is a 1-2 pin i stacked it under my ring finger I am sorry but i dont know all the pap measurements to give you guys. No extra hole needed. Left in box finish. Even though the heads were toast it went through them like they werent there started to make its move around 42 foot and had a nice controlled arc to pocket. Super smooth move. So controlable.

The avalanche pearl is 3-4 pin. Pin about an inch above ring finger with cg kicked ut ever so slightly n hole needed with about 3/4 positive on side.  This ball glided thru heads like it was on ice went thrugh the midlane and made its move about 6 foot farther down lane than the solid and it had a more angular move but in no way would i consider it as a skid snap type reatin it also had an arc to just a stronger one.

I bowled three games on this toast. these are my initial impressions on avalaches.

I compared them to my smart zone and my twisted fury.  My smart zone is longer than my twisted fury and much smoother off the spot.

The smart zone didnt get thru heads well it actually started to read the lane about a foot past arrows and proceeded to go thru the beak n same line i was throwing avalanche solid which was about 13 at arrows out to 5 at break point.The smart zone i have drilled exatctly like avalanche pearl but the core cover combo is much stronger on smart zone.

The twisted fury i have have drilled with pin under ring finger with cg at a 45 degree angle from pap with balance hole drilling out mass bias.  This ball on same line as solid read the lane at the arrows and took off taking out the 6,10. like i said the heads were toast, it was really hard to get anything thru them except avalanches.

Overall the solid is 6 foot sooner and is about 2 and 2 stonger with feet and target on lane.  The slid mves sooner with much smoother move on back end and the pearl is longer with much stronger move on back end.  These balls compliment each ther well.  The only thing i was worried about with lower end balls was carry and I was tripping out high shots sending messengers all over place and even caving rack on light shots.  By far best bang for buck out there on a med to med light condition.

I wwill post full reviews once I have some sets in.
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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2008, 11:12:05 AM »
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Hey brunswick guys,

How does the pearl compare to the older rhino core balls? I would LOVE to have another x-zone te1 or te2(the monster scream/r I think? back in my hands. BUT I haven't had any chance of finding that in some time, so if the pearl would be equal, I'm sold.  

I see you seem to be advising the solid for toasty conditions, is the ball THAT weak?  I know the core isn't strong, but the cover generally is.  Will the solid give more of a urethane look in comparison to the slightly longer/stronger look of the pearl?  I'm looking for a dirt ball, so this is my main concern.

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Although I haven't thrown the Pearl, the solid barely flares, which is great in my opinion. You can take the shine off to get a little more early read if you wanted to use it on the drier boards of a fresh shot, but this ball is very easy to control. I've seen some pretty toasty shots before, but can't imagine any bowler with average skill not loving the solid on drier conditions. I play the same line with it as I do my Power Groove, it's just easier to predict the reaction on this ball. Above average carry, when carry is sometimes tough to come by (dry shots).

Think of it this way. If the lanes are completely toasted, would you rather have something that goes long and sharp (and hope you stay out of trouble) or something that's predictable and, worse case scenario, you make spares when everyone else is struggling to avoid splits and open frames? High score always wins, even if you don't look stylish while doing it. On tough conditions I really believe that straighter IS greater.


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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2008, 03:35:39 PM »
I completely agree that straiter is greater, what i was concerned about was the solid not being strait enough! I would actually like a ball that was pearl urethane-ish.. stronger in the backs than standard urethane, but gets some length aswell.  So maybe a 4000 abralon finish on the Avalanche solid would give me the look I am after.  I want it to be a mild ball that pushes through the heads and arcs to the hole.   Sounds as if I might have it in the solid.

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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2008, 04:09:39 PM »
YEP!
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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2008, 04:11:51 PM »
I've been using 3 3/8 - 4" pin to PAPs on the Avalanches. I have a Solid with a 5" pin up, which is decent but I would never use that on the Pearl.
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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2008, 09:13:43 PM »
Too weak for the pearl nick?  I am looking for a dirt ball so maybe something like that on the solid would be the stuff.

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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2008, 05:52:33 PM »
Nick, help me out here, would the solid at 4000 drilled 5 or 6inch make a good choice for the dry side of things?

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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2008, 06:11:47 PM »
FWIW, I drilled an Av Pearl with a 4 1/2" pin-to-PAP.  The pin ended up above the fingers, the CG is kicked about 2" right of the centerline, and down 1 1/4" from the midline.

I threw it this afternoon for the first time on a chopped-up house shot;  the lanes hadn't been oiled since the night before.  On this late afternoon condition, I usually struggle to get the ball through the front part of the lane, and then because whatever oil is left on the lane has been pushed all over the place, I have difficulty getting a consistent read in back.  The Av Pearl made this condition look nearly fresh.  I was able to get the ball into the dirt sooner without having to worry about it over-bouncing, and it didn't over-squirt in the oil.  I just had to be careful with ball speed;  catch one a bit too clean, and it was Half-10 City.

I also threw the Fury Pearl on this condition.  The FP was about five-and-three stronger than the Av, with most of that coming in the midlane.

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Re: Avalanche Questions
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2008, 03:51:31 PM »
Thanks for the insight.