Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 26, 2007, 01:05:36 PM
Post by: kgunit689 on March 26, 2007, 09:23:25 PM
Post by: NateNice on March 26, 2007, 10:37:14 PM
It handles carry down very well. Starts to make a move in the midlane. Very smooth and controllable. IT seems like if you miss inside some and don't get a good angle, you get the 10 pins people talk about. This ball does fine with extra angle and doesn't leave anything.
I like this ball a lot for heavy oil and carry down.
Post by: Steven on March 27, 2007, 12:54:29 PM
I have a chance to buy one slightly used for very little. I'm lucky in that my proshop guy tries a lot of stuff, and since our spans are almost identical, I'm able to test most of his experiments myself. When he doesn't like something (the Fury in this case), he gives me first crack at purchasing.
Anyway, the ball is drilled with the pin in the center grip below the fingers, with the CG kicked to right and a small weight hole in the thumb quadrant. The surface had been lightly hit with Rough Buff. This is one of my favorite patterns. I have it on a Lane#1 Enriched Uranium, a Track Arsenal Artillery and an Arsenal Reactive. It generally provides good revving in the mid-lane with controlled aggression on the backend.
So I was excited to take the Fury out to a fresh THS and give it a go. I tried to stay inside the oil line to avoid any burnout issues. What I immediately liked was the controlled arc the ball produced. It didn't cover as many boards as I thought, but my first shot hit light and I got an impressive mixer strike.
From there it was all downhill. Unless I hit flush, it was a guaranteed 10 or 7. The ball had a terrific mid lane read, but didn't have the continuation I would have expected. Maybe a drill with a higher pin and/or taking up the surface grit a little further would help, but I didn't get the 'warm and fuzzies' I expected. I don't have the time or energy now to try and make it work. Different styles will probably be happy with this piece.
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Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 27, 2007, 05:15:04 PM
Post by: crankncrash on March 27, 2007, 08:03:33 PM
Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 27, 2007, 08:55:03 PM
Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 27, 2007, 10:54:16 PM
Post by: crankncrash on March 28, 2007, 12:16:30 AM
Keep in mind, I am working in a proshop, ALL of the equipment I throw is Brunswick and I can't say enough good stuff about their equipment.
Here is what I can say for the Fury, if you drill it for oil, you better have Exxon Valdez making a stop by your house before you bowl. The best drillings we have seen with the ball for a somewhat heavy shot was the ball at 4000 grit and drilled pin down, cg negitive in the palm, simple and weak but the ball worked well. If you kick the CG, I think you will kick yourself. The ball rolls early and never makes the corner. That is another real complaint on the ball from customers, they think big hook means big backend, which is certainly not what you will see with this ball.
We have a frequent tourney bowler that has drilled 3 or these, he gets them to work with surface adjustments and his loads of axis tilt, he loves the things and doesn't throw it overly fast, so you might like it, but I will say the majority won't. Power players seem to have the best luck.
Think of a super carbide bomb without a flip cap... kind of unspectactular. With a cap this ball could be a nicer piece.
Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 28, 2007, 12:30:44 AM
Post by: cficare068 on March 28, 2007, 01:57:55 AM
Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 28, 2007, 08:42:29 AM
Post by: NateNice on March 28, 2007, 10:03:47 AM
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I can not tell you what to do, and I won't try. If you don't throw the ball with good speed, don't try. The ball at 2000 still burns up on a 40ft shot even strait down the middle of the oil, its kind of unreal. I don't know if anybody will ever really see the oil that this ball is made for. Honestly, I wouldn't recomend the ball.
Weird, I havent' seen this ball burn up or roll out a single time. In fact, that was one of the things that impressed me most of it. It just wouldn't quit. On shots where I might have pushed it some, it would come crawling back as hard as it could and remarkably hit the pocket.
It's not a skid/flip ball out of box, for sure. It makes a move in the mid lane as it straightens out. But it will dart at the pocket afterwards. I'd imagine if you can't rev a ball or sally it, it might burn up on you. I haven't had any of these problems, however.
It's great with carry down as it simply ignores it.
Mine's drilled pin right of the ring with CG right below it, positive.
I love this thing and agree it's for heavy oil. That's the purpose of this ball anyways.
Post by: Strapper_Squared on March 28, 2007, 02:00:49 PM
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Post by: Strapper_Squared on March 28, 2007, 02:26:08 PM
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We have the same pap. At 5 1/2 pin to pap, I wasn't getting a lot of flare out of the ball and it went a touch too long. At 4 1/2 pin to pap, I'm getting 4 - 5" of flare with great continuation to the pocket.
LOL.. that could be a problem.... at least if I'm hoping to use it on lots of oil. I should know a little more tonight after I give it a try. The reson I chose the "mild" layout was that a few weeks ago I drilled one up for a friend (who throws the ball similar to me) with a 4.5" pin to PAP. Prior to getting this ball, he was struggling to get reaction on his house shot. After getting this ball, he claims that there isn't enough oil in his house shot to throw it. LOL.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on March 28, 2007, 08:54:03 PM
Post by: ChrispyBrownies on March 28, 2007, 08:57:05 PM
Very aggressive ball, perfect for a ball for conditions ranging from Medium to Heavy Oil.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on March 29, 2007, 07:11:28 AM
Rough buffed over a burgundy pad. This thing is smooth and yet a very readable strong move in the back. On a nice league puddle this thing was able to create a ton of area and strong hit.
It impressed the hell out of me.
Was up against a Red Zone which also impressed me but not on this volume of oil.
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Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 29, 2007, 08:41:00 AM
Post by: JS on March 29, 2007, 08:57:52 AM
Although Scarter mentioned drilling one in Vegas 2 X 2, we don't recommend drilling these with anything less that 4 1/2" pin to PAP. Actually, I would stick with 5 to 5 1/2" pin to PAP. For heavier oil, and if your track is not too close to the holes to begin with, keep the pin below the finger area. For more length keep the pin up above them. Also, if you want the ball with less surface, we had better results using just abralon pads up to 4000 rather than using any type of polish. I took one of my Fury's to 4000 and you would swear I polished it. It is plenty long and plenty strong downlane.
By the way, for best adaptability after drilling, kick the CG out at least 1" so you will have the ability to add an extra hole after having the chance to throw the ball and see what it does. Do this in practice so that you're not throwing an illegal ball during competition. Then you can add a hole in a position that will fine tune the ball to what you were hoping to see more or less of. Between the extra hole and surface preperation, you should be able to make this ball exactly what you need. And it hits like a ......... TANK, as a few have mentioned.
Post by: Strapper_Squared on March 29, 2007, 10:30:07 AM
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The ball was leagal w/out a weight hole.. so I figured I would throw it first before deciding on one. Currently I got about 2" of flare in the oil, really tightly spaces rings and then could see marks from the dry of about another 2" or so... It rolled quite well here, but I wanted it for longer and higher volumes, so I may pop a hole in it sometime down the road.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on March 29, 2007, 10:31:15 AM
Probably about 5 1/2 X 5.
Strong and continuous. No problem carrying inside and in the puddle.
Area creator on that middle puddle.
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Post by: boycer11 on March 29, 2007, 10:52:18 AM
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Fury, TNV, Rampage (which goes straight), and 300 U-Turn
Need practice on those 1 pin spares. :-)
Post by: crankncrash on March 29, 2007, 03:41:21 PM
Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 29, 2007, 03:55:01 PM
Post by: Strapper_Squared on March 29, 2007, 03:58:10 PM
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Still looking at getting one but im thinking of trying around 6-7 pin to pap. As previously posted i have a shift at 7 3/16 and it still was strong and not at all uncontrollable... Thanks for all the great tips, really narrowing down how to drill one of these and what im drilling it for... Thanks
Are you sure? Anything past 6 3/4 should actually reverse flare (go towards your thumb and away from your fingers).. depending on your track (and rev rate), you could quite possibly roll over your thumb.
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Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 29, 2007, 05:07:23 PM
Post by: cficare068 on March 30, 2007, 03:35:15 AM
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Cool, do you happen to know the layout of the lanes that you bowled on? Do you know what your pin to pap distance was? Thanks
Not sure what the condition of the lanes where. Pic of my layout is in my profile
Post by: Deathclutch on March 30, 2007, 08:53:15 AM
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I believe the strong rolling one I saw last night was pin up over bridge and cg just slighlty kicked no weighthole.
Probably about 5 1/2 X 5.
Strong and continuous. No problem carrying inside and in the puddle.
Area creator on that middle puddle.
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Correct its drilled pin above bridge cg below ring finger no x hole.
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Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 30, 2007, 03:38:18 PM
Post by: DON DRAPER on March 30, 2007, 06:13:51 PM
Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on March 31, 2007, 08:39:24 AM
Post by: NateNice on March 31, 2007, 03:30:05 PM
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I was thinking pin down around the ring finger with cg stacked
That seems to be the most popular drilling. It works well.
You'll be amazed at how this ball reads the midlane but doesn't give up strength. I think the Torsion Core is doing a lot of the work as opposed to friction, which would kill the power.
Post by: Hand of God on April 01, 2007, 01:14:57 AM
Shot was 40 feet wet dry, carry down... he pulled it out when it got soupy and wrecked the rack.. he went 269 279 last two..... ball set up early on this length of oil and wet back ends... serious just making this hard shot look stupid..
Fury is seriously a great ball for heavy oil
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Big Bang - Stacked - Heavy to medium oil
Kong - 5 x 5 - Medium oil
Hornet - 4.5 x 6 Medium to Dry
White Dot - Spare ball
Post by: HAMMERDOWN103 on April 01, 2007, 08:59:53 AM
Post by: NateNice on April 01, 2007, 01:49:57 PM
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Does it appear that speed effects this balls reaction very much? I have a ton of revs and can throw it slow or fast. Planning on this for really heavy patterns just like everyone says its good on. Another question, if this ball is a high end ball, why doesnt it have a marked mb? Is it due to the multiple points on the core??? My pro-shop guy and i were wondering about that when he first got the core for the ball in as a display... Thanks
It's a symmetric core. It doesn't have an MB. Not one that really matters anyways.
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