Post by: Zach M on June 24, 2007, 06:22:11 PM
Zach
Post by: pate08 on June 25, 2007, 02:43:57 AM
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Super Trooper
Power Groove
Power Machine(2)
Action
Black Widow
Awesome Revs
Phoenix - for sale
High Game - 296
High Series - 748
Post by: Zach M on June 25, 2007, 02:59:55 AM
Zach
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Post by: renoatpikeville on June 25, 2007, 11:21:28 AM
Seems like the Fury Pearl will be a Radical Inferno on steroids...sounds familiar.
Post by: Zach M on June 25, 2007, 11:28:33 AM
Post by: zone on June 25, 2007, 11:33:42 AM
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# of bowling balls = too many
highest game = not high enough
league avg. = its getting there
tournaments won = let me get back to u on this one
Post by: Derek on June 25, 2007, 01:32:54 PM
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is it just me, the new brunswick balls look ugly as can be. looks like cheap kiddie balls. the blast zone and sidewinder and the fury pearl just look girly.
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# of bowling balls = too many
highest game = not high enough
league avg. = its getting there
tournaments won = let me get back to u on this one
i agree ^eleventy billion.
especially the logos on the sidewinder and blast zone....reminds me of something fisher price.
Post by: lsf_21 on June 26, 2007, 10:23:27 PM
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on June 27, 2007, 01:32:56 PM
Shelf appeal does have a lot to do with selling a ball, especially to impulse buyers.
Post by: FastTracker33 on June 27, 2007, 01:46:09 PM
I love the colors on the Double Agent, Robo Rule, Awesome Revs/Finish, and whatever other ball you can think of that's ugly haha. I like the ugly balls!
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Post by: x1a4 on June 27, 2007, 02:38:12 PM
its a consumer market, which means you give the customer what they want, if its a certain color so be it.
i hang around in my local proshop alot and i have seen somebody pick what ball they wanted just because they liked the smell.
alot of bowlers don't know or care what coverstock/core combo are in bowling balls, they just want something that looks good (or smells good) going down the lane.
i have talked to some very experience ball drillers and what they have told me is if the customer asks for something that you know is wrong you recommend for them to get something else, if they still want it tell them one more time, if they still want it, you take their money punch holes in it and send them on their way.
Edited on 6/27/2007 2:41 PM
Post by: x1a4 on June 27, 2007, 02:53:11 PM
Edited on 6/27/2007 2:53 PM
Post by: zone on June 27, 2007, 03:00:34 PM
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# of bowling balls = too many
highest game = not high enough
league avg. = its getting there
tournaments won = let me get back to u on this one
Post by: Crankenstein300 on June 27, 2007, 05:17:38 PM
Post by: BallsDeep on June 28, 2007, 11:08:06 AM
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The ball is ugly and looking at the chart of it, theres nothing that special about the ball. The length isnt that great, the hook isnt that great and the break shape isnt "off the charts" either. I'll stay away from this one.
If I understand you correctly, you have no interest in a benchmark bowling ball, and only deal with stuff that offers a weird reaction. The Black Widow for instance would have been a poor ball in your opinion, it went fairly long, hooked a bit, and really didn't cut on the back, so I guess it was bad. I, as well as other competent bowlers, don't consider any of the criteria that you mentioned beyond what implications they will have in the building of an arsenal. In my opinion, a great majority of bowling balls are good.
The only things that I believe to make a ball better than another is perhaps continuation, and though rather obscure, hit. Beyond that it is a matter of how a ball fits into one's arsenal. Even the criteria that I consider to make a ball better than another may at times work to one's detriment. I, for example have a Radical Inferno that I have never really liked. The ball happens to be very hook set. On a typical condition, the Absolute Inferno or my Black Widow would be better. They offer similar ammounts of hook, but are more continuous. I recently ran into a condition where the backends were really running. There, the AI and BW were both apt to leave 4's, 9's, and at times the unfortunate combination of the two. The RI on the other hand seemed right at home. Though the AI and BW are better on most shots, the RI has its moments and in the right situation is a very good ball.
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Post by: Joeyd on June 28, 2007, 11:52:47 AM
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That's a good business.
A "good" business would also know the following...
- 90% of the experienced bowlers know what they want when they walk in the door. They're not going for the ball that looks good or smells good.
- Those that are looking for the ball that looks or smells good are new bowlers/first time buyers.. You give them what they want and take care of them properly, and they become what's called a "repeat customer". I may not be the smartest guy in the bunch, but repeat customers also will give you recommendations, or "word of mouth" which will bring you more new customers and start the cycle again..
Just in case you were wondering...
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Post by: DP3 on June 28, 2007, 02:14:54 PM
Oh yeah, ugly balls and balls that don't hook.....don't sell
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Post by: TWOHAND834 on June 28, 2007, 02:15:17 PM
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That's why the proshop takes time with the customer to explain why the ball is good/bad with other reasons than a color.
When a customer walks into the shop and says he/she wants a specific ball, the first question the operator should be asking is 'Why?'.. and if they can't explain it, then you know it's not for the right reason. And then you go to a ball that might make sense, wether the color is good or bad. Once you go and explain this to the customer on why this ugly ball is good, color/design doesn't matter nearly as much to the person.
That's a good business.
-Chris
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Chris is right about this. As someone who ran a proshop and still helps out at another, it is the operator's responsibility to let ANY customer know what balls do what. My explanation is that bowling is about knocking down pins; not looking good to struggle. If you are looking for a type of reaction, then these are the balls that I have that fill that "look" (on the lane). A bowling ball can look good. However, if that good looking ball does not do what the customers want it to do, looking good doesn't mean so much now. Shelf appeal does have an impact on sales. But, it is the knowledge of the operator and questioning the customers that will have the most impact on customer base and repeat business.
Steven Vance
Former Pro Shop Operator
If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!
Edited on 6/28/2007 2:17 PM
Post by: Powermachine- on June 28, 2007, 02:25:06 PM
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No us left handers do not carry everything in the house just ask Mr. Rick Lawernce
Post by: x1a4 on June 28, 2007, 02:28:16 PM
Post by: Powermachine- on June 28, 2007, 02:29:10 PM
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No us left handers do not carry everything in the house just ask Mr. Rick Lawernce
Post by: Powermachine- on June 28, 2007, 02:30:28 PM
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No us left handers do not carry everything in the house just ask Mr. Rick Lawernce
Post by: Powermachine- on June 28, 2007, 02:32:04 PM
WTF HAX NOOB IM GOSU
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No us left handers do not carry everything in the house just ask Mr. Rick Lawernce
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Post by: Powermachine- on June 28, 2007, 02:35:27 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on June 28, 2007, 02:59:15 PM
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How do you have time for bowling when you are busy with Unreal and your LABtop lol. You going to Main Campus next year? The C team needs a 5th bowler.
Edited on 6/28/2007 1:43 PM
For one I play Counter-Strike.. Unreal is old. Secondly I play it since I make money playing it, since I'm that good, lol. If you could make over $150 a month on a comp game I think you would play it too!
I have one more year in a branch campus and then I go to Main Campus.. and believe me, I won't be in the C team. I talked to the previous coach one year ago and he said I'd be top on B team.. and I bowl alot better now than I did before.. but he's no longer there so who knows.
Thanks for your time.
-Chris
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HAHA I can't believe this loser still comes to this site and tells others to get a life. Get overself tubby. For fu*k sake already, looking through your website, every picture of you has a bowling ball in it and the ones that don't have a computer in it. Not one picture of a friend or even a mention of one. Look at your picture, your one sad (not so)little boy, and the problem is that you truely think your better and smarter then everyone else.
You really should just kill yourself because there is no helping you.
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Post by: Powermachine- on June 28, 2007, 03:02:59 PM
BOB DOLE ANY1?
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Post by: Joe Jr on June 28, 2007, 03:55:48 PM
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Haha 'Joe Jr'.. Wow your still here? No kiddin. The only reason I even come on here is to sell bowling stuff, if I wasn't I wouldn't even be here.. and you tell me I have no life?
I don't have friends? How would you know.. you don't even know me. I have enough.. don't worry about me.
Wow.. this is why I don't come on here for anything technical.. its a waste of time... just buy my equipment so I don't have to come on here for 3 more months like I did before.
-Chris
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Penn State University
Yep i'm still here, like the hundreds of other regular members, does that mean they have no lives either? We all can't be professional computer gamers like you. I am worried about you Chris, i'm afraid your going end up on the news as another school shooter.
You continuously come on here and accuse others of having no life but when looking through your personal website I see nothing but bowling balls and computers.
Really you have friends? Like real life friends and not computer friends? Oh and putting a wig on your computer and calling it Jeff doesn't count as a friend.
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Post by: Joe Jr on June 28, 2007, 04:09:29 PM
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Lol.. Wow nice imagination.. You play kiddy games with 3 yr olds then bend them over after just to figure out stupid things like that? You know, I'm worried about you. I'm afriad your going to end up in jail for having sex with a 3 yr old.. I'm really worried about you.
If you made a site it would prolly have kiddy porn... so stay away from doing something like that.
I'm really worried about you.. I really am worried.
-Chris
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Beans Pro Shop - Back Mountain, PA
Forum Moderator on BeansProShop.com - Home of the "Secret Sauce"
USBC Certified Level 1 Coach
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Penn State University
Good god boy are you retarded? Honestly, that's a serious question, do you have some sort of mental disorder?
Did you forget to wear your helmet today?
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Post by: Joe Jr on June 28, 2007, 04:18:20 PM
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Post by: Crankenstein300 on June 28, 2007, 07:39:35 PM
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And back to the topic of this topic.. The Fury Pearl actually looks pretty cool.. The Blast Zone is a very loud color but its going to look amaing going down the lane.. and the Sidewinder is the best looking ball out of them all. SO whoever says they look ugly, you've never seen some of the stuff that companies release! Hah.
-Chris
Wait a minute. What set this whole thing off was this that you said on page 1:
"better question is why is there five posts about color?
Who gives a damn..
-Chris"
And then you just posted that? And don't tell me you said the part about "Who gives a damn about color" just to incite reaction because there is no way I'll give you that much credit.
Edited on 6/28/2007 7:40 PM
Post by: azproputt on June 29, 2007, 12:21:02 PM
Post by: Jepp114 on June 29, 2007, 12:23:15 PM
Post by: ash1057 on June 29, 2007, 12:39:29 PM
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Post by: KCarter069 on June 29, 2007, 05:12:59 PM
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Post by: YeahHossNV on June 29, 2007, 05:59:29 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on June 29, 2007, 07:56:32 PM
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I second that. This post has gotten way out of hand and has no relevance anymore.
Well there tubby you have a way to bring out the worst in people. Which is odd because theres not one person on this planet who should take you seriously...Especially after looking at a picture of your loser as*.
Oh and I added one of your great quotes to my signature, further proving my point.
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And yeah, I do know it all.. I don't spend 30+ hours a week learning more about bowling for my heatlh... I do it so I know more than all of you.. which I do. (besides the random few that are staffers/work in the bowling business.. which that population is decreasing little by little)
Post by: azproputt on June 30, 2007, 11:33:11 AM
Post by: Joeyd on June 30, 2007, 02:52:11 PM
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TWOHAND834.. thanks man. I finally found someone with common sense and knowledge of business.
Don't they offer general ed business classes in college? Oh wait.. most of you are too stupid to go to college.. bowling 3 nights a week on leagues is the main way most of you make money.. so I should not of expected most of you to realize what I was talking about.
You really are convinced, aren't you?? Seems like most of the people here are convinced too... that you're not much more than a conceited a**...
I've worked in more than one pro shop in my life, so I have some knowledge myself.. General ed business classes?? Check.. I've got a business degree, as well as graduate school credit.
And who are you to call people out for bowling 3 nights a week to make money, considering you admitted playing a video game to make money?? That $150 a month has GOT TO get your really far I'm sure..
Speaking from experience, you're far better off killing them with kindness, so to speak.. Someone who claims to know so much about pro shops and "business" should know that..
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Post by: Derek on June 30, 2007, 04:52:27 PM
probably the worst e-fight i've ever seen.
Post by: Powermachine- on June 30, 2007, 07:24:48 PM
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Post by: Derek on June 30, 2007, 11:09:52 PM
creativity is key...not repetition...it wasn't even a good fight to read...just boring.
Post by: BrunsBob on July 01, 2007, 11:58:45 PM
By the way, colors do matter to some. Names matter to some. Performance matters to some. We spend hours on all of them trying to come up with the perfect mix. And, as has been said on many an occasion, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We had many, many compliments on ALL of our new releases at Bowl Expo, including the Fury Pearl. And, earlier in this misguided thread someone mentioned it having the performance of the Intense Inferno......Not even close. Octane coverstock, even in a pearl, reads oil much better than the Intense ever thought of doing. If you don't like the color, fine, but don't deny the performance once you see it in action.
RoB LaW
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