Post by: yoshii on December 30, 2007, 12:10:26 PM
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Yoshii.
Post by: Sjf on December 30, 2007, 10:08:51 PM
Post by: Monster Pike on December 30, 2007, 10:33:33 PM
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Just grip it & rip it!
Post by: on December 31, 2007, 06:06:21 AM
For me, I play nearly the same line with both, just one (Twisted) goes longer and is more sharp at the break point. Hope this helps.
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Amateur Staff
Post by: mxbowler95 on December 31, 2007, 07:31:02 AM
Post by: on December 31, 2007, 09:30:57 AM
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Both are very good. I leave my Fury Pearl dull (2000) and the Twisted shiny so I see more of a contrast between the two. With that in mind, I use the Fury Pearl when the lanes are a little tighter so it gives me some wiggle room as far as accuracy.
For me, I play nearly the same line with both, just one (Twisted) goes longer and is more sharp at the break point. Hope this helps.
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Amateur Staff
Man, I have my Fury Pearl at the 4000 abralon finish and I think the way it knifes off the backends is boarderline out of control. I use it when I need monster recovery from big angles. I cannot imagine what the Twisted is like. m I am a huge fan of arc type pieces (Inferno, Absolute, Ultimate) I hope Brunswick keeps those type of balls around. All the skid/snap stuff is like Ebonite/Hammer gear which I find pretty much useless.
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10 pin,
One of the first things I tried with the Twisted was to knock the shine off of it, and it was much more even rolling at the break point. It was very strong but not "flippy" by any means.
As I mentioned before, I have my Fury Pearl duller than most, and I wanted the Twisted to contrast it more because I have fewer pieces that go nice and long at the moment. If you get a minute, read my review on the Twisted. This ball is VERY GOOD without the shine, and depending on your game, you could have it compliment the Fury Pearl the opposite way mine does and be quite happy.
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Amateur Staff
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 09:36:23 AM
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The Fury. I hear you can get them real cheap on line, LOL!!!
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Just grip it & rip it!
and i heard that if your real smart, in a month or two, you should be able to get the Twisted for $89 at wal mart, i believe they said wal mart, or was it sams club.
no, it was with an order for 6 tacos, you get a Twisted for $89. that's what "i believe" i heard in the mens washroom at the local bowling alley.
i am waiting!!!!! and you?
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Edited on 12/31/2007 10:37 AM
Post by: T Brockette on December 31, 2007, 09:52:29 AM
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The Fury. I hear you can get them real cheap on line, LOL!!!
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Just grip it & rip it!
and i heard that if your real smart, in a month or two, you should be able to get the Twisted for $89 at wal mart, i believe they said wal mart, or was it sams club.
no, it was with an order for 6 tacos, you get a Twisted for $89. that's what "i believe" i heard in the mens washroom at the local bowling alley.
i am waiting!!!!! and you?
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Edited on 12/31/2007 10:37 AM
JLS, why don't you show a little class and not hijack a thread that someone is trying to get information from.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 10:16:38 AM
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The Fury. I hear you can get them real cheap on line, LOL!!!
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Just grip it & rip it!
and i heard that if your real smart, in a month or two, you should be able to get the Twisted for $89 at wal mart, i believe they said wal mart, or was it sams club.
no, it was with an order for 6 tacos, you get a Twisted for $89. that's what "i believe" i heard in the mens washroom at the local bowling alley.
i am waiting!!!!! and you?
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Edited on 12/31/2007 10:37 AM
stop
JLS, why don't you show a little class and not hijack a thread that someone is trying to get information from.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
stop stalking me, if you don't like what i say, ignore me, please
and why did you not say anything to the post above that said i heard they will be online real cheap>>>>
your a stalker, now go back to doing what you do best stalker.
swinging from your girly pole.
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 10:17:50 AM
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The Fury. I hear you can get them real cheap on line, LOL!!!
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Just grip it & rip it!
hey stalker, did you miss this???????????????
back to your girly pole.
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: alloutsmith3 on December 31, 2007, 10:18:22 AM
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The Fury. I hear you can get them real cheap on line, LOL!!!
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Just grip it & rip it!
and i heard that if your real smart, in a month or two, you should be able to get the Twisted for $89 at wal mart, i believe they said wal mart, or was it sams club.
no, it was with an order for 6 tacos, you get a Twisted for $89. that's what "i believe" i heard in the mens washroom at the local bowling alley.
i am waiting!!!!! and you?
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Edited on 12/31/2007 10:37 AM
JLS, why don't you show a little class and not hijack a thread that someone is trying to get information from.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
I agree. But don't you know its Brunswick fault his distributor didn't sell him Fury's at a discounted price.
For the original question, for what your looking for I would give the Twisted a try.
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
Post by: T Brockette on December 31, 2007, 10:22:04 AM
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The Fury. I hear you can get them real cheap on line, LOL!!!
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Just grip it & rip it!
and i heard that if your real smart, in a month or two, you should be able to get the Twisted for $89 at wal mart, i believe they said wal mart, or was it sams club.
no, it was with an order for 6 tacos, you get a Twisted for $89. that's what "i believe" i heard in the mens washroom at the local bowling alley.
i am waiting!!!!! and you?
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Edited on 12/31/2007 10:37 AM
stop
JLS, why don't you show a little class and not hijack a thread that someone is trying to get information from.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
stop stalking me, if you don't like what i say, ignore me, please
and why did you not say anything to the post above that said i heard they will be online real cheap>>>>
your a stalker, now go back to doing what you do best stalker.
swinging from your girly pole.
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
No stalking here. Been on this site for over 6 years and cannot believe how low users like you have taken it. As to the girly pole comment.........watch your mouth.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 10:24:53 AM
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions[/quote]
on the payroll sir, they pay you in paso's or dollar's.
maybe the fact was that certain dist, Ran to their online dealers first, before offering the balls to pro shops!!!!
like i told Ric, they closed their plant in Michigan, and now have Mexican's making their balls, so if Mexican's can make bowling balls, i'll bet Brunswick can get them to do your job also, and for less money.
watch your back,
and btw, people who are from Mexico, are known as Mexican's so don't start your racist crap.
Remember The Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: TWOHAND834 on December 31, 2007, 10:30:47 AM
IMO, for what you are looking for the Pearl Fury is the right choice. When the lanes start to break down the PF wont be quite as violent to the lane transition whereas the Twisted, depending on layout, will be more obvious during lane transition. If you stay box finish, with the right layout, the Pearl Fury is the ball to go with.
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Former Pro Shop Operator
If anyone out there is worried about the scores being too high, try duckpin!!
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 10:36:59 AM
you know hard working American's like those that make balls in Kentucky.
so get off your high horse.
and stop following me from thread to thread, that's stalking!!!!
and if you don't like the fact that i as well as many pro shops in this country don't like the fact that at Christmas Time, these balls where dumped online, well that's too bad.
maybe if a small pro shop like mine, stop ordering, lets say 20 balls a month from brunswick, and a 100 more small pro shops stop ordering 20 balls a month from Brunswick and then maybe another 100 small pro shops stop ordering 20 balls amonth from brunswick, lets see, do you think Brunswick may notice that.
maybe that is what i will do, not reorder any Brunswick ball this jan.
of course one little pro shop not ordering 20 balls. no big deal.
but what if??? what if??? what if??? a 100, or 200 small pro shops who are sick and tired of the way certain ball companies do business, decide to stop ordering 20 balls a month,
that's lets see, carry the one, 4000 balls a month.
do you think they would notice that,
Remember the Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 10:42:54 AM
No stalking here. Been on this site for over 6 years and cannot believe how low users like you have taken it. As to the girly pole comment.........watch your mouth.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
[/quote]
sir. do you know the meaning of the word HYPOCRITE. LOOK IT UP.
In another thread, you just called me a "jerk".
and now you say, watch my mouth.
you sir give new meaning to the word HYPOCRITE!!!!
did i call you a jerk? no
now go back and swing from your girly pole
Remember The Alamo
I THINK US PRO SHOPS SHOULD MAKE THIS OUR BATTLE CRY!!!!!!!!!
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: T Brockette on December 31, 2007, 10:43:38 AM
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you want to know what is low sir, ask those people in Michigan who lost their jobs. so Brunswick could used workers from Mexico to make their balls, and make way more profit, then when hard working American's use to make their balls
you know hard working American's like those that make balls in Kentucky.
so get off your high horse.
and stop following me from thread to thread, that's stalking!!!!
and if you don't like the fact that i as well as many pro shops in this country don't like the fact that at Christmas Time, these balls where dumped online, well that's too bad.
maybe if a small pro shop like mine, stop ordering, lets say 20 balls a month from brunswick, and a 100 more small pro shops stop ordering 20 balls a month from Brunswick and then maybe another 100 small pro shops stop ordering 20 balls amonth from brunswick, lets see, do you think Brunswick may notice that.
maybe that is what i will do, not reorder any Brunswick ball this jan.
of course one little pro shop not ordering 20 balls. no big deal.
but what if??? what if??? what if??? a 100, or 200 small pro shops who are sick and tired of the way certain ball companies do business, decide to stop ordering 20 balls a month,
that's lets see, carry the one, 4000 balls a month.
do you think they would notice that,
Remember the Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Once again, I am not stalking. I understand what your talking about...probably more than you think I do. I just don't understand why the discussions have to get personal, thats all. Remember the Alamo? Considering where I live, I remember it very well..............
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
Post by: T Brockette on December 31, 2007, 10:46:28 AM
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No stalking here. Been on this site for over 6 years and cannot believe how low users like you have taken it. As to the girly pole comment.........watch your mouth.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
sir. do you know the meaning of the word HYPOCRITE. LOOK IT UP.
In another thread, you just called me a "jerk".
and now you say, watch my mouth.
you sir give new meaning to the word HYPOCRITE!!!!
did i call you a jerk? no
now go back and swing from your girly pole
Remember The Alamo
I THINK US PRO SHOPS SHOULD MAKE THIS OUR BATTLE CRY!!!!!!!!!
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf[/quote]
You sir, are right. I was responding to your insults of a member I have known here for a long time............My apologies for the personal attack.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 10:54:32 AM
quote:quote:
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No stalking here. Been on this site for over 6 years and cannot believe how low users like you have taken it. As to the girly pole comment.........watch your mouth.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
sir. do you know the meaning of the word HYPOCRITE. LOOK IT UP.
In another thread, you just called me a "jerk".
and now you say, watch my mouth.
you sir give new meaning to the word HYPOCRITE!!!!
did i call you a jerk? no
now go back and swing from your girly pole
Remember The Alamo
I THINK US PRO SHOPS SHOULD MAKE THIS OUR BATTLE CRY!!!!!!!!!
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
You sir, are right. I was responding to your insults of a member I have known here for a long time............My apologies for the personal attack.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
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sir, why not show that same concern to all the little pro shops who at Christmas time stocked up on Brunswick balls.
btw, that means in Nov. and bought these Fury's at full price, and then they find out a few weeks later, their now online for $109 or $99.
are you going to tell me that big B, doesnot know that pro shops start stocking up on msde. in Nov. for Christmas???
or do you think we start stocking up for Christmas on dec. 24th???
so many shops probably wanted to be sure then had some on hand, and maybe order a case, at 126-128 dollars a ball. and then a few weeks later, pow
right up the butt. online for $109 or $99.
i hope pro shops see this post and pass it on to their fellow pro shops.
i think i will not order any balls from them this month. that may be about 20-30>>>> that of course is no big deal.
what if, what if, what if, other pro shops decide to do the same thing?????
do you think BIG B. will notice that.
Remember The Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: mbrown205 on December 31, 2007, 10:58:39 AM
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you want to know what is low sir, ask those people in Michigan who lost their jobs. so Brunswick could used workers from Mexico to make their balls, and make way more profit, then when hard working American's use to make their balls
you know hard working American's like those that make balls in Kentucky.
so get off your high horse.
and stop following me from thread to thread, that's stalking!!!!
and if you don't like the fact that i as well as many pro shops in this country don't like the fact that at Christmas Time, these balls where dumped online, well that's too bad.
maybe if a small pro shop like mine, stop ordering, lets say 20 balls a month from brunswick, and a 100 more small pro shops stop ordering 20 balls a month from Brunswick and then maybe another 100 small pro shops stop ordering 20 balls amonth from brunswick, lets see, do you think Brunswick may notice that.
maybe that is what i will do, not reorder any Brunswick ball this jan.
of course one little pro shop not ordering 20 balls. no big deal.
but what if??? what if??? what if??? a 100, or 200 small pro shops who are sick and tired of the way certain ball companies do business, decide to stop ordering 20 balls a month,
that's lets see, carry the one, 4000 balls a month.
do you think they would notice that,
Remember the Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
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Proud member of:
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Post by: T Brockette on December 31, 2007, 11:11:34 AM
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sir, why not show that same concern to all the little pro shops who at Christmas time stocked up on Brunswick balls.
btw, that means in Nov. and bought these Fury's at full price, and then they find out a few weeks later, their now online for $109 or $99.
are you going to tell me that big B, doesnot know that pro shops start stocking up on msde. in Nov. for Christmas???
or do you think we start stocking up for Christmas on dec. 24th???
so many shops probably wanted to be sure then had some on hand, and maybe order a case, at 126-128 dollars a ball. and then a few weeks later, pow
right up the butt. online for $109 or $99.
i hope pro shops see this post and pass it on to their fellow pro shops.
i think i will not order any balls from them this month. that may be about 20-30>>>> that of course is no big deal.
what if, what if, what if, other pro shops decide to do the same thing?????
do you think BIG B. will notice that.
Remember The Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
As to what Brunswick thinks, I have no idea. I can tell you that the that the two independent shops I deal will are highly successful and competitive.
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Tracy
Bowlingchat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 11:32:25 AM
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From what I know, Brunswick moved from Michigan to Mexico because of the Labor Union wanting ridiculous pay increases. If you had a business mindset, you would've made the move too.Quoteyou want to know what is low sir, ask those people in Michigan who lost their jobs. so Brunswick could used workers from Mexico to make their balls, and make way more profit, then when hard working American's use to make their balls
you know hard working American's like those that make balls in Kentucky.
so get off your high horse.
and stop following me from thread to thread, that's stalking!!!!
and if you don't like the fact that i as well as many pro shops in this country don't like the fact that at Christmas Time, these balls where dumped online, well that's too bad.
maybe if a small pro shop like mine, stop ordering, lets say 20 balls a month from brunswick, and a 100 more small pro shops stop ordering 20 balls a month from Brunswick and then maybe another 100 small pro shops stop ordering 20 balls amonth from brunswick, lets see, do you think Brunswick may notice that.
maybe that is what i will do, not reorder any Brunswick ball this jan.
of course one little pro shop not ordering 20 balls. no big deal.
but what if??? what if??? what if??? a 100, or 200 small pro shops who are sick and tired of the way certain ball companies do business, decide to stop ordering 20 balls a month,
that's lets see, carry the one, 4000 balls a month.
do you think they would notice that,
Remember the Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
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SC Youth Leaders VP
Proud member of:
NC Toughshots Tour
here is another example of some over paid poor excuse for a human.
what if the company that pays your overpriced salary felt that way, and you lost your job.
TELL ME, WHAT WOULD YOUR MIND SET BE!!!!!!
but its ok, cause it wasn't you this time, it was the poor people in Michigan.
news flash>>>> i out of every 5 IBM employee's, not work out of this country.
what you don't realize is that first it was the auto ind. then clothing and shoes, factory jobs that left. guess whats next >>>>
your job. this is the age of computor's.
some person in India or China or some other place will be doing your job on a computor next. and for a lot less money.
hows that for a buisiness mindset!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ps, your probaly on BIG B> payroll>>> right?
watch your back. if a Mexican can make bowling balls, then i am sure they can make sure the copy machine has paper in it, as well as the restrooms!!!!!
Remember The Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Edited on 12/31/2007 12:34 PM
Post by: alloutsmith3 on December 31, 2007, 12:17:44 PM
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
on the payroll sir, they pay you in paso's or dollar's.
I'm not on anyones payroll, how you came to that conclusion I'm not sure. Brunswick "pays" me by making great equipment that I use to make money on the lanes.
maybe the fact was that certain dist, Ran to their online dealers first, before offering the balls to pro shops!!!!
Again how is this Brunswicks fault. Sounds like a problem with the distributor to me. Why don't you call them and complain with your whiny attitude?
like i told Ric, they closed their plant in Michigan, and now have Mexican's making their balls, so if Mexican's can make bowling balls, i'll bet Brunswick can get them to do your job also, and for less money.
watch your back,
and btw, people who are from Mexico, are known as Mexican's so don't start your racist crap.
Now your calling me a racist, sounds like slander to me. Maybe you should start watching what your typing.
Remember The Alamo
Lastly would you please drop the whole Americans lost jobs to a foreign country crap. It happens everyday. Have you ever called for tech support for an electronic you just bought, good luck understanding what their saying. I lost my job because the work I was doing went overseas. I didn't sit around crying about it, I went back to school and now make more than what I did at my old job. Get over it already
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf[/quote]
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
Edited on 12/31/2007 1:18 PM
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 01:19:35 PM
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
maybe the fact was that certain dist, Ran to their online dealers first, before offering the balls to pro shops!!!!
Again how is this Brunswicks fault. Sounds like a problem with the distributor to me. Why don't you call them and complain with your whiny attitude?
Now your calling me a racist, sounds like slander to me. Maybe you should start watching what your typing.
Remember The Alamo
Lastly would you please drop the whole Americans lost jobs to a foreign country crap. It happens everyday. Have you ever called for tech support for an electronic you just bought, good luck understanding what their saying. I lost my job because the work I was doing went overseas. I didn't sit around crying about it, I went back to school and now make more than what I did at my old job. Get over it already
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
Edited on 12/31/2007 1:18 PM[/quote]
If you believe that Big B. does not or did not know exactly who they where selling too, and who they where going to sell too, then i have bridge i would like to sell you.
and second, i did not call you a racist, i said, if you can read, don't start that racist stuff with me, which means, don't call me one cause i said tacos!!!
ok
and i am glad things worked out for you in your new job.
and your right, it happens everyday. sad but true.
but that does not mean we have to like it.
now ever since their move, i have still stock and sold their balls. i understood what they did and why, didn't like it, but as you say, it happens everyday.
but my point is not where they are made, but the way they do business. you probably are not in retail, but try to understand, shops start stocking up for Christmas sales in early Nov. at that time, these balls where not selling for $109 online!!!! now if shops bought these Fury's at full price, cause they did not know in early Nov. of this closeout, to me, that is bad timing by Brunswick, Brunswick knows shops start stocking up.
now i am sorry that you don't care, but realize this, i don't care that you don't care!!!!! ok
and i have the right to tell it as it is, it was bad timing!!!!!
if you don't like that, so sad too bad!!!!!
but from the many pro shops i have talked to in the last few days, they seem to care!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok with you!!!!!
again, if not, i still don't care, ok
what you and so many people on this site don't understand is this, your able to buy balls online for basically the same price pro shops do. which means, we bascially are working for nothing. do you go to work and work for nothing.
no no, not with your mouth, you would be the first up in arms!!!
but you could care less that hard working pro shops have to deal with this everyday, and for about the last 7-10 years.
you have clearly shown with your twobit lowlife attitude, how you don't care that workers for Brunswick lost their jobs. "get over it."
i don't know what you do, but remember this boy!!!! 1 out of 5 IBM employees work overseas. guess what, people overseas, don't just work in sweat shops anymore. they now know how to make bowling balls and work on computors.
and they do it for less pay, you getting the picture here!!!!!!
first is was tv's and auto, then factory jobs, you office types, could care less, cause you still had you office jobs, guess what, your office jobs are next!!!!!!! some guy in india or China is being trained as we speak, to take over these office jobs you coffee drinking geeks have now.
and when you and others lose your job's to overseas, maybe you will show some compassion for others. cause you sure don't seem to care now, even after you lost one job.
all people on this site seem to care about is buying a ball for as cheap as possible. and now that you have had a study diet of these low prices, at the expense of pro shops, you seem upset, that maybe you coffee drinking geeks might have to pay a few bucks more now.
well might as well blame us pro shops, after all, we are all bandits, over charging for balls and drilling.
in closing sir
you make me sick.
Remember The Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Edited on 12/31/2007 2:56 PM
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 02:00:48 PM
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Its like feces, in word form. Odd.......
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The Elitest: "The other monkey sister is still in." Isn't racism funny?
here is a perfect example of someone who is nothing more then a stalker.
does this loser ever add to a thread with his comments. seldom, why, cause that would require him to think!!!!
all he can do is bash.
he is a perfect example of a office working geek, who shortly, should be losing his job to someone overseas. who will punch a keyboard for less money then this person makes.
chad, you give new meaning to the word.
now i don't remember who the person was that posted the following.
"chad your nothing but a jls stalker, who swings on a girly pole"
boy he hit it right on the head.
Remember The Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: jls on December 31, 2007, 02:20:44 PM
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It would be hard for anyone to not be a jls stalker. You spew your idiocy in just about every thread. I look forward to your long winded response.
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The Elitest: "The other monkey sister is still in." Isn't racism funny?
bla bla bla, and everything else you say is garbage.
you stalker boy
hypocrite, look it up.
because you surf the net all day to bash people, seldom do you post, you surf to bash. and then you knock someone who has the guts to post, knowing that a lowlife like you, will come on and bash.
now if you don't like what someones post, be a man little boy, and ignore them
you truely are a loser in the highest sense of the word.
is this a great country or what.
Remember The Alamo
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: alloutsmith3 on December 31, 2007, 03:59:07 PM
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
maybe the fact was that certain dist, Ran to their online dealers first, before offering the balls to pro shops!!!!
Again how is this Brunswicks fault. Sounds like a problem with the distributor to me. Why don't you call them and complain with your whiny attitude?
Now your calling me a racist, sounds like slander to me. Maybe you should start watching what your typing.
Remember The Alamo
Lastly would you please drop the whole Americans lost jobs to a foreign country crap. It happens everyday. Have you ever called for tech support for an electronic you just bought, good luck understanding what their saying. I lost my job because the work I was doing went overseas. I didn't sit around crying about it, I went back to school and now make more than what I did at my old job. Get over it already
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
Edited on 12/31/2007 1:18 PM
If you believe that Big B. does not or did not know exactly who they where selling too, and who they where going to sell too, then i have bridge i would like to sell you.
Just when I thought it couldn't get any better, it does. The more you open your mouth the dumber the words become. You mean to tell me that if someone came into your shop to buy 10 balls you would tell them no because the timing wasn't right or because you didn't agree with how they were going to use them. Now increase that number to 500, 1000 or 2000. If you say no then I say your full of it. How about the car companies that put the car you just bought 2 weeks ago on rebate AFTER you bought it, I guess they have bad business practices too.
and second, i did not call you a racist, i said, if you can read, don't start that racist stuff with me, which means, don't call me one cause i said tacos!!!
You said don't start YOUR racist crap in a post that you quoted me. That single word points to ME. Learn how to word yourself properly.
ok
and i am glad things worked out for you in your new job.
and your right, it happens everyday. sad but true.
but that does not mean we have to like it.
now ever since their move, i have still stock and sold their balls. i understood what they did and why, didn't like it, but as you say, it happens everyday.
but my point is not where they are made, but the way they do business. you probably are not in retail, but try to understand, shops start stocking up for Christmas sales in early Nov. at that time, these balls where not selling for $109 online!!!! now if shops bought these Fury's at full price, cause they did not know in early Nov. of this closeout, to me, that is bad timing by Brunswick, Brunswick knows shops start stocking up.
Read what I said above, every company that puts something on sale or closeout after you paid full price for it must be in bad business practices I guess
now i am sorry that you don't care, but realize this, i don't care that you don't care!!!!! ok
and i have the right to tell it as it is, it was bad timing!!!!!
if you don't like that, so sad too bad!!!!!
but from the many pro shops i have talked to in the last few days, they seem to care!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok with you!!!!!
again, if not, i still don't care, ok
what you and so many people on this site don't understand is this, your able to buy balls online for basically the same price pro shops do. which means, we bascially are working for nothing. do you go to work and work for nothing.
no no, not with your mouth, you would be the first up in arms!!!
but you could care less that hard working pro shops have to deal with this everyday, and for about the last 7-10 years.
you have clearly shown with your twobit lowlife attitude, how you don't care that workers for Brunswick lost their jobs. "get over it."
Refer to this post:
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=183344&ForumID=16&CategoryID=5
If you can't find away to be competitive then your in the wrong business.
i don't know what you do, but remember this boy!!!! 1 out of 5 IBM employees work overseas. guess what, people overseas, don't just work in sweat shops anymore. they now know how to make bowling balls and work on computors.
And they do it for less pay, you getting the picture here!!!!!!
first is was tv's and auto, then factory jobs, you office types, could care less, cause you still had you office jobs, guess what, your office jobs are next!!!!!!! some guy in india or China is being trained as we speak, to take over these office jobs you coffee drinking geeks have now.
and when you and others lose your job's to overseas, maybe you will show some compassion for others. cause you sure don't seem to care now, even after you lost one job.
all people on this site seem to care about is buying a ball for as cheap as possible. and now that you have had a study diet of these low prices, at the expense of pro shops, you seem upset, that maybe you coffee drinking geeks might have to pay a few bucks more now.
well might as well blame us pro shops, after all, we are all bandits, over charging for balls and drilling.
in closing sir
you make me sick.
Remember The Alamo
Glad I could make you sick. Could you please let me know where your pro shop is located so that I can avoid it at all costs.
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
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Post by: Sjf on December 31, 2007, 04:35:11 PM
all 2 of of them.
Post by: alloutsmith3 on December 31, 2007, 04:46:57 PM
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jason, tell all your friends also.
all 2 of of them.
Good one cheesepuff. And trust me, if I did only have 2 friends, they wouldn't be using this guys shop either.
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
Post by: alloutsmith3 on December 31, 2007, 09:57:55 PM
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jason, tell all your friends also.
all 2 of of them.
Good one cheesepuff. And trust me, if I did only have 2 friends, they wouldn't be using this guys shop either.
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
sir
i believe our ball count was about 2000 balls this year, so should we reduce next years order by 2?
maybe to make up for the lost sales from your two friends, jls can run a special. 6 taco's with every ball sold.
interesting
Remember The Alamo
Whats interesting is still now location of your shop. The least you could do is give city and state.
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
Post by: Joe Jr on December 31, 2007, 10:26:32 PM
Always by the same few people too...
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My Vid (http://"http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e56/RevLefty/?action=view¤t=3.flv")
Formerly Brunswick Lefty & Richard Cranium
Quote from Conspirator300:
And yeah, I do know it all.. I don't spend 30+ hours a week learning more about bowling for my heatlh... I do it so I know more than all of you.. which I do. (besides the random few that are staffers/work in the bowling business.. which that population is decreasing little by little)
Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 11:02:33 AM
Whats interesting is still now location of your shop. The least you could do is give city and state.
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions[/quote]
sir, first, the majority of the 400-700 regulars on this site, shop online.
because they can save money. therefore we really do not expect them to get in their car, drive to the airport and fly here to visit us anytime soon.
second, we certainly do not want to see a chad outside of our shop, swinging on his girly pole. that is not a pretty site.
third, there is no reason to try to sell to these people, because they have been exposed to online pricing. and what point would it be to sell and ship a ball to them, when they allready can buy it for just about the price we pay???
sorry we had this run in with you. we just hope that maybe you can see our side of things. most online shopper's do not. and if anyone on this site is know for be a basher. it is the many many online shopper's who post daily about how much they save, and paint us pro shops as bandits.
and then when a shop like ours has the guts to come on and post to defend pro shops, lowlifes like this joe person, post trash like, "another thread destroyed"
why is it OK for the online poster's to bash at pro shops and the way we do business, which btw, they have no clue about pro shop business. and yet when a small pro shop like ours comes on, the coffee drinking geeks who surf the net, attack us. do we scare them or something.
and Mr. Brunswick, i serious doubt that chad has ever bought a new ball, i have never seen him post about a ball's performance. he is nothing more then a stalker. most stalkers like him get great pleasure from forcing other poster's to run and hide. but as you and all can see. lowlifes geeks will never cause us to run and hide, so let them bash away and say their stupid little remarks like, troll, another thread destroyed etc etc etc.
do you think we care, cause we don't.
thankyou, and to all the good people at Brunswick
Happy New Years
Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 11:56:05 AM
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I hate to chime in on the political B.S. here but I'd bet that part of the reason Bruswick moved to Mexico is the ENORMOUS tax burden put on companies by the state of Michigan, combined with the wonderful U.S. tax policy.
It is a horrible thing when people loose jobs, but be sure to place the blame where it belongs. Brunswick is in business to make money... why else would you be in business in the first place? When federal, state, and local tax policy combined with union demands make it impossible to be profitable, what other choice do you have?
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Righty
Speed: 17.0 (Quibica)
Revs: med-high to high (@400 RPM)
Axis: 5-3/4" 3/16 down
See Profile for arsenal
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mr the truth, PLEASE stop making "SENSE" it clearly shows sir, that you are capable of "thinking".
a business moving because of taxes!!! Here in our area, two very large firms, are staying and expanding, why, because of TAX BREAKS given to them to stay
you see, well, you sir probably allready know, since your not clueless, that is what states do when they what a large company to stay!!!!
Well if your theory is correct then every business in the U.S.A. should shut down. What are you going to do when everyone is out of a job? Think about it if we as a country do not support ourselves and the companies that actually have their operations in the U.S.A. where is this country going to be in the future? Agreed the tax situation has gotten out of control but face it a business moving out of the country is not good for the U.S.A. or it's citizens.
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Speak the Truth
Even though MegaMav and Joe Jr can't handle it.
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Post by: yoshii on January 01, 2008, 12:14:07 PM
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Yoshii.
Post by: BrunsBob on January 01, 2008, 04:59:31 PM
RoB LaW
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I'm gettin' old, I'm hurtin', but I've got Brunswick balls.......Color me competitive.
Post by: BrunsBob on January 01, 2008, 08:27:23 PM
What you talkin' bout Willis?
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I'm gettin' old, I'm hurtin', but I've got Brunswick balls.......Color me competitive.
Post by: MegaMav on January 01, 2008, 08:48:04 PM
Robert and Ric, I dont know why you guys bother.
You should be commended for your patience and dedication, because this is just abuse.
I wouldnt hold it against you guys for not responding.
This site is unbelieveable.
Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 09:02:07 PM
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I have nothing more to add here than just shaking my head.
Robert and Ric, I dont know why you guys bother.
You should be commended for your patience and dedication, because this is just abuse.
I wouldnt hold it against you guys for not responding.
This site is unbelieveable.[/quote
mega
exactly what did you add?
Post by: tburky on January 01, 2008, 09:09:10 PM
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Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 09:28:55 PM
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I would like to ask you guys that are slamming Robert and myself, would you rather see us (and the other 75% of the division remaining BTW) that is left, after the move, unemployed? I know you could care less, because of the people that lost their jobs, not those that kept their jobs. Do you think we liked seeing those people lose there jobs? NO. But it was done and we have to move on with it or look for other employment. We enjoy doing what we are doing or we would not be on this forum, arguing to defend ourselves and our division. But that's besides the point, because you can say anything you like, about how wrong it is, right? I am wondering what any of you would do in our positions, keeping our jobs and being able to still have the opportunity to contribute to the game that we were both raised in. Yes that means more than 90 years in the game combined. But of course none of you considered that nor care. It is much more gratifying to slam Brunswick and hide behind screen name and NEVER have to defend yourselves or your comments. Just let me add, thanks for your concern about us. As you have ALL said, you could care less about any of us. Just yourself. Take 2 things into consideration, Brunswick is the largest contributor to the PBA and how would the industry be without Brunswick in it. Monopoly?
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Ric Hamlin
Pacific Northwest Product Specialist
Brunswick Bowling
AKA "Rico" and L.I.M.O.M.
sir, if you go back and review, some remarks where made calling some, clueless.
if some of us are so clueless, then way do you bother, and why do you want to talk in private, if we are clueless no nothings.
i fully understand that all ball companies need and want to protect their dist.
so again i fully understand why most compnaies sell thru dist. but its a hard pill to take, when it is said that your dist. want to be protected from ball companies selling directly to pro shops and undercutting dist.
poor babies, how come these dist don't feel the same way when it come to who they sell too. again, dist are set to deal with pro shops only. yet they have no problem with undercutting pro shops. and then they cry if a nall company sells direct to a pro shop. isn't that being a hypocrite.
now there are a number of dist. out there that do not sell to online dealers.
and sooner or later more pro shops will realize who they are, and deal with them. payback is a you no what!!!!
i was told of a few dist who would sell me the Fury's, thankyou who ever told us of them. but, some of them, are how shall we say. not the dist. we want to deal with. get the picture. and it was insulting to say that they will sell you some Fury's at $99. hells bells, i can buy them online for that.
on thursday of last week, when the poo poo hit the fan, i was busy drilling.
and i received several calls from salesmen, asking me if i had seen the story online about Ebonite, and what i thought. at the point, i had not.
but i truely believe what bonite has decided to do, will work. and will help the entire industry. and pro shops will remember, who was on their side with actions, and who just with words!!!!! you get the picture?
now as for these people with bruns in their names, their bashing means nothing to me. please send Mega a ball or something. he is such brown nose.
this should be an interesting month.
this may come as a shock to you Ric. but many of todays bowlers, bowl to win money. and they will use whatever, to score and win money. and if said whatever ball dies after 10 frames or one game, which ever comes first. and they won money with said ball, they will get rid of it, and by another one.
why, casue they won money with it.
i have seen a lot of bashing about Ebonite covers dying. i don't personnally find that to be true. and as you may have notice Ric and all your groupie bashers. i don't bad mouth your balls. in fact i have posted how well they perform. my problem with Brunswick, isn't with the equipment, it's with the people running the company, who like to talk the talk.
now Ebonite has taken a huge step. do you people at Brunswick think Ebonite is stupid. do you not think that they thought this out.
i just happen to feel like many pro shops in the business, that this is a good move.
the ball is in your court, don't drop it.
clueless and no mindset!!!!!
we shall see
Post by: alloutsmith3 on January 01, 2008, 09:47:57 PM
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I would like to ask you guys that are slamming Robert and myself, would you rather see us (and the other 75% of the division remaining BTW) that is left, after the move, unemployed? I know you could care less, because of the people that lost their jobs, not those that kept their jobs. Do you think we liked seeing those people lose there jobs? NO. But it was done and we have to move on with it or look for other employment. We enjoy doing what we are doing or we would not be on this forum, arguing to defend ourselves and our division. But that's besides the point, because you can say anything you like, about how wrong it is, right? I am wondering what any of you would do in our positions, keeping our jobs and being able to still have the opportunity to contribute to the game that we were both raised in. Yes that means more than 90 years in the game combined. But of course none of you considered that nor care. It is much more gratifying to slam Brunswick and hide behind screen name and NEVER have to defend yourselves or your comments. Just let me add, thanks for your concern about us. As you have ALL said, you could care less about any of us. Just yourself. Take 2 things into consideration, Brunswick is the largest contributor to the PBA and how would the industry be without Brunswick in it. Monopoly?
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Ric Hamlin
Pacific Northwest Product Specialist
Brunswick Bowling
AKA "Rico" and L.I.M.O.M.
Ric,
I stand behind you and Rob 100%. No matter how hard people try coming down on you guys your still always willing to try and help. I have been using nothing but Brunswick for a year now and the support I get from the reps/staffers on here and through e-mail has been outstanding. Yes it sucks that people had to lose jobs over the move. I was one of those people that lost their job to overseas workers, but I took the opportunity to better myself instead of sitting around and feeling sorry for myself. Bottom line is you guys do a great job so don't let a few 2-bit hecklers discourage you.
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Jason Smith
Brunswick Bowling
VISE--The Choice of Champions
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 01, 2008, 09:50:10 PM
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The task ahead of us is never as great as the power behind us.
Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 09:58:59 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
First of all, WHAT? How is that responding to my post?
And
I am curious, where did my post go and why was it deleted? Does someone affiliated with this sight like to clue me in...
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Ric Hamlin
Pacific Northwest Product Specialist
Brunswick Bowling
AKA "Rico" and L.I.M.O.M.
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i don't know ric, but i am sure your groupies will blame me.
Post by: Sjf on January 01, 2008, 10:01:42 PM
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And to think, all the original poster wished for is a preference or some info between the Fury Pearl and the Twisted Fury.
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The task ahead of us is never as great as the power behind us.
sir
and if you take the time to read, the very first reply was from me,
ans i suggested, the Twisted.
Post by: Sjf on January 02, 2008, 06:04:45 AM
i am not proud, i am told him to send the money!!!!!
and no funny stuff, like with that coach in football did, or didn't.
anyway truth, this is a brunswick site.
so yes, we are the bad guys.
thanks for taking the time to post.
Post by: on January 02, 2008, 06:08:32 AM
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Amateur Staff
Post by: Sjf on January 02, 2008, 07:37:04 AM
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Still waiting for the name of the pro shop and it's address...
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Amateur Staff
no problem, let me know when the fund gets to that million, and i will send you our po box.
thankyou
Post by: on January 02, 2008, 07:51:35 AM
Have a good day.
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Amateur Staff
Post by: jls on January 02, 2008, 09:25:09 AM
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That may take a while...
Have a good day.
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Lane Carter, Strike Zone Pro Shops - Salt Lake City, Utah
Brunswick Amateur Staff
hey notclay, want do you mean. with all the brunswick supporters on this site. you should have that money by noon.
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: MegaMav on January 02, 2008, 11:54:21 AM
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hey notclay, want do you mean. with all the brunswick supporters on this site. you should have that money by noon.
I'll send a quarter, so you can call someone who cares.
Post by: jls on January 02, 2008, 12:50:54 PM
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hey notclay, want do you mean. with all the brunswick supporters on this site. you should have that money by noon.
I'll send a quarter, so you can call someone who cares.
well now, that's better then the 2 cents i would send you!!!
btw, man i am trying to get you a Twisted, now if things go well with notclay. you should be getting one soon.
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jls, proud watcher of womens golf
Post by: Monster Pike on January 02, 2008, 12:57:36 PM
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Just grip it & rip it!