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bassfighter

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getting back to bowling
« on: May 10, 2010, 05:05:14 AM »
I am new on this bowling board, decided to get back into bowling to spend extra repore time with my wife. Have not bowled for almost 20 years, since I am an avid tennis player and an angler.

I just bought the REV GEAR 10th anniversary Revolution ball few days ago, recommended by a US pro shop, so far hardly any info on this ball on the net. Is this ball any good? what is it made of? Only Info I found on the net was this ball was approved by USBC. IT was made sometime in 2008.

I am giving up my old Urethane ball of 25 years old which I still average 170, my old ball( still looks new since I did not use it for 20 years) just won''t hook well. I will also have to learn to hook my new ball.

Thanks for any info

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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2010, 01:43:54 PM »
i think you got  a bogus recommendation by someone who wanted to get rid of that ball

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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 02:06:34 PM »
Didn't see to much mysself:

http://www.classicbowlingsupplies.com/Ball-Descriptions/Revolution-OVERSEAS-10th-ANNIVERSARY-REV-GEAR-ARROWS-15-lb-HEAVY-/prod_599.html


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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 02:55:14 PM »
Rev Gear 10th Aniversary
Adaptive Reactive - Polished Surface
RG 2.516 up to 2.563 maximum Rg
0.047 Differential
Danger Zone Core

http://livedoor.2.blogimg.jp/hikoyan300/imgs/c/3/c3cc6258.jpg

http://www.bowlingball.jp/archives/cat_50023295.html?p=2

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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 02:59:27 PM »
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i think you got  a bogus recommendation by someone who wanted to get rid of that ball




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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2010, 04:41:21 PM »
Depends on the price of the ball.

It will be a great ball for someone who hasn''t bowled in a while. It is a good reactive cover with a good core. Should be a great medium oil ball with a very versatile cover that could be sanded to handle heavier oil.

If you go buy some big hook monster and struggle to do anything what will that accomplish?

An Avalanche series ball would also be great. This ball has a more aggressive core and cover and should work really well.

After reading the info on it, it does show to be a more aggressive ball.

I think nocarey just got one off here as well and could tell you more.


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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 04:58:15 PM »
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Depends on the price of the ball.

It will be a great ball for someone who hasn''t bowled in a while. It is a good reactive cover with a good core. Should be a great medium oil ball with a very versatile cover that could be sanded to handle heavier oil.

If you go buy some big hook monster and struggle to do anything what will that accomplish?

An Avalanche series ball would also be great. This ball has a more aggressive core and cover and should work really well.

After reading the info on it, it does show to be a more aggressive ball.

I think nocarey just got one off here as well and could tell you more.


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Exactly what I was thinking.. If it was $100 drilled yea its fine.. But basically he got an avalanche slide, But IMO the avalanches cover is better from what ive seen.. Core looks remotely the same as well.
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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 05:22:25 PM »


Edited on 5/10/2010 4:50 PM[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking.. If it was $100 drilled yea its fine.. But basically he got an avalanche slide, But IMO the avalanches cover is better from what ive seen.. Core looks remotely the same as well.
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The ball is not even close to an Avalanche Slide. Its a SOLID not a pearl and the core numbers are much higher.

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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 05:35:36 PM »
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Edited on 5/10/2010 4:50 PM


Exactly what I was thinking.. If it was $100 drilled yea its fine.. But basically he got an avalanche slide, But IMO the avalanches cover is better from what ive seen.. Core looks remotely the same as well.
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The ball is not even close to an Avalanche Slide. Its a SOLID not a pearl and the core numbers are much higher.[/quote]


eh, well the rev that I looked at said it was polished/  I still dont see it any different than the avalance.. slide or pearl

heres the one i saw

http://www.bowlingball.com/brunswick-revolution-rev-gear-arrows-bowling-ball.html
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 05:45:45 PM »
So - we agree that it is a medium to heavy oil ball?

15# balls

Diamond Back - medium to heavy oil
Solid coverstock
RG Max 2.539 RG Min 2.496 RG
Differential 0.045

Rev-Gear 10th Aniversary
Solid coverstock - medium to heavy oil
RG Max 2.563 RG Min 2.516
Differential 0.047

Freeze
Pearl coverstock - medium oil
RG Max 2.56 RG Min 2.513
Differential 0.047

Avalanche Slide
Pearl coverstock - light to medium oil
RG Max 2.548 RG Min 2.524 RG
Differential 0.024

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mj79

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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2010, 06:18:40 PM »
quote:
So - we agree that it is a medium to heavy oil ball?

15# balls

Diamond Back - medium to heavy oil
Solid coverstock
RG Max 2.539 RG Min 2.496 RG
Differential 0.045

Rev-Gear 10th Aniversary
Solid coverstock - medium to heavy oil
RG Max 2.563 RG Min 2.516
Differential 0.047

Freeze
Pearl coverstock - medium oil
RG Max 2.56 RG Min 2.513
Differential 0.047

Avalanche Slide
Pearl coverstock - light to medium oil
RG Max 2.548 RG Min 2.524 RG
Differential 0.024

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All I was saying was the avalanche would have been a great ball to jump to after years of plastic.. Dont go by BB.coms #s to much , ive seen the slide , and it is quite an aggressive ball if drilled so
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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2010, 07:08:25 PM »
The Rev Arrows has the same core but not the same cover as the 10th Ann. This ball has a more aggressive cover and core then the slide. Depending on the price either would be great.

The ball he purchased should be great. Yes it is all of 3 years old, big deal. If I got a good deal on a ball going back into the sport I wouldn't mind that it was three years old.

Look at most of the balls from three years ago compared to today. Many people are still throwing most of them week in and week out.

The Avalanche Pearl was approved in Jan 2008, the Slide Sept 2008. So they aren't exactly new either.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2010, 08:47:41 PM »
I love when someone makes a thread, they actually get replies, then they never come back or re post
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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2010, 02:16:31 AM »
Thanks guys for the info. I paid roughly $85 for the ball and that includes drilling. The bowling store posted a regular price of $188. By the sound of some comments here, the ball seemed to be dissent for the price I paid for, since I would be considered a beginner on this bowling sport. I only picked up the 12lb ball because my arm muscle stiffen after I bowled after 5 games, and I have to compete in my regular tennis matches the following day. I will be joining a bowling league during winter months(no tennis then) and might move up to a a heavier ball and give this ball to my wife if she also improves. She is presently using a reconditioned 10lb ball, she is a professional musician and could not afford to injure her arm.

I have to read more about terminology words such as RG or differential, no clue as of now what they stand for. I know a lot about Tennis since I was an instructor once, I hope picking up this sport will also influence my wife and son to a new competitive sport. I also golf few times a year. Fishing is my other serious sport as you might have notice on my username.

This 10th anniv ball is a solid Black/Navy color, very shiny. Should I try to keep maintaining it shiny that way. I also knew a bit about auto body painting and buffing, since a friend was in this business.

 Kidlost2000 mentioned about sanding it, Am I assuming it will create more spin due to more traction? I thought buffing it would make the ball handle better and prevent dirt or too much oil from sipping inside the material. I was reading about cleaning balls, even putting it in the oven to take off some oil residue.

I know that any sport equipment is only as good as the player. Tiger Wood still  uses Crome made shaft Iron, while most golfer are using graphite material these days. My tennis racket is already 10 year old model, it was considered a heavy Pro Racket, the tennis industry was promoting lighter type of rackets in 2000-2008 where today's material used in the racket can help a player generate more power. During the last decade, many professional tennis player did play more aggressive power game but then have lost their touch control. The Tennis industry realized the games had lost its finesse. They have decided to add more control to a player's game, one big change was the added extra weight to the Tennis ball to slow it down. Heavier model racket also came back, again being promoted within the past 2-3 years by most manufacturer, to add more control to one's game.

The pro shop fellow mentioned about control on this rev-gear model which got my attention, when I was deciding on which ball to grab, since I am trying to learn to create more curve to my stroke. He was recommending heavier ball, but I bowled just comfortably with my old plastic ball of 12lber. My old plastic ball was not even made in China, I remembered I paid roughly $100 way back more than 20 years ago. There were not as many selection these days as what I have read on line.

The highest score I ever played with my plastic ball was 270 and I just got lucky that day, the ball could hardly curve, just a semi hook, but I always play with a finger tip grip. Always been a competitive person in all sport. My old plastic ball can spare consistently, now I am hungry for the sound of the strike!

I have not tried my new ball, will get back to this site and post my reaction after trying it this sunday, I am excited to feel the difference. I was originally concern that the pro shop might have sold me another cheap plastic ball.

I have to read further about lane oil condition, If I translate and relate that to the sport of Tennis, I started to understand how a player should learn to adapt to different lane conditions and adjust accordingly.

Too many things to learn , My brochure has a guide on drilling to create spin on lane conditins, the pro shop did not even ask me regarding what I wanted to do with the ball. What do I know anyway? This info was also knew to me, I assumed all bowling ball were made the same way, the core is always at the center and a bowling ball spins evenly, it is just how a bowler throws the ball to create spin.

Then I learned about number of rev, how does one know where to get this info, from a speed gun? The tennis player can get an estimate of his serve from the speed gun technology, I know the speed only matters if the control is there.

I have a lot to catch up, thanks for on line Internet technology and help from this board member. Hope to be an avid bowler soon.

Now can someone teach me how to psyche or distract the attention of my opponent bowler? Someone told me to put a chewing gum on his shoe. HA! HA! Just Kidding!

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Re: getting back to bowling
« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2010, 03:55:38 AM »
You got a good deal on the ball. You will hopefully be able to move up in weight.

For now leave the ball as is and don't worry about surface adjustments. Over time if you decide to clean it or whatever just take it back to the pro shop and let them help you.

Don't put the ball in the oven either.
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