Author Topic: Mexican Production (Read 11504 times)

Tarasevich · « **on:** January 21, 2007, 01:06:49 PM »

Although they managed to limit their layoffs to only a third of the Michigan workforce, this is a sad event.

I currently don't throw Brunswick, but have in the past. My Wine Rhino, Rhino Gold Pearl, and Grizz were all great American made balls. The Brunswick corporation has seen recalls and quality problems as a result of some of their other divisions' production centres currently located in Mexico. Already, arrival of their new viz-a-balls will be delayed to may distributors by several months as a result of their relocation efforts.

Although brunswick is not, thankfully, outsourcing its sales and support stucture to India or otherwise off shore, the bowling community is going to be drastically impacted by these changes. Brunswick is not the only brand of balls that they manufacture, as many of us are aware.

While we are in a strong economy with low unemployment (actually below frictional unemployment of 5% which is considered acceptable), the fact that many noin-residents account for many of these positions, while natural or naturalized citizens suffer. My heart does go out for the great production team in Michigan.

This decision by Brunswick has already forced myself and others I know to no longer support Brunswick's centres or bowling and other recreational products now being shipped to Mexico.

My hopes are that the Big B finds a way to maintain qualiyt control and assurance of their once superior product. Has this decision caused unease or boycott by any bowlers in your areas?

qstick777 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 22, 2007, 11:04:35 PM »

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That's just what I heard from a reliable source who said his brother or cousin did that. The car companies want you to go 3K miles between changes because they know their engines won't hold up that long. 200K, 300K later, the engine is shot. But do it every 100 miles and that puppy will last forever.

SH

Actually, most companies are moving away from 3k miles to somewhere around 5k-7.5k. GM actually has started using an oil life monitor based on "driving characteristics," stuff like amount of time idling, RPMs, temperature, etc, and they recommend only changing oil when the computer tells you to, or once per year if the indicator never goes off.

Of course, Jiffy Lube and the oil companies would love for you to change your oil every week!

http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/environment/news_issues/news/simplified_maintenance_040104.html

http://www.performanceoiltechnology.com/changing-oils_changing_drain_intervals.htm

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JustRico · « **Reply #32 on:** January 23, 2007, 07:28:28 AM »

Can we get back to the topic...Brunswick is making cheap a** quality equipment, remember?

People focus.

TweenerWannaBe · « **Reply #33 on:** January 23, 2007, 08:38:14 AM »

Options - go home
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JustRico · « **Reply #34 on:** January 23, 2007, 08:54:38 AM »

As a matter of fact, I am at home...thank you.

APheLion · « **Reply #35 on:** January 23, 2007, 09:27:43 AM »

tarasevich i dont understand why u have to be so political, this topic is easy u like what brunswick offers, take it, dont like go somewhere else since there are other companies that offers high quality balls

ppl initiating a useless discussion such as this one, creates conflicts and let me point out something:

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currently don't throw Brunswick, but have in the past. My Wine Rhino, Rhino Gold Pearl, and Grizz were all great American made balls

if u didnt throw any recent bowling balls from brunswick, why are u trying to say u not going to buy anything thats new?
its like saying i didnt buy a car for 10 years and now because some american company is moving to Mexico and not going to buy from that company... are u going to buy anytime soon? if not why bother initiating a conversation like this? do i care if u going to buy one? u r not going to change my mind because u r not buying from big B, and i dont think u can change some1 else's mind by doing so. therefore this topic is useless and pointless

if u have any problem with big B moving to Mexico, call the CEO of big b and tell him that he has done wrong and u r not going to buy another big b ball since u love so much ur wine rhino, RGP, Grizz... and havent tried any inferno or zones which are the main products from brunswick for the last couple of years.
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Bjaardker · « **Reply #36 on:** January 23, 2007, 12:06:43 PM »

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There is not a single bowling ball manufacturer in the world that makes a profit.

Wholly untrue.

Everytime this topic has come up I've posted the yearly review from Brunswick corporation showing that their bowling ball division was well in the black & making a profit.

The portion of the company not making a profit was their bowling center division, and after the major restructuring they were doing that was projected to be in the black by EOY 2008.

Djarum · « **Reply #37 on:** January 23, 2007, 12:49:59 PM »

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Oh my god, YIKES!!! I have often disagreed with Shelly and not said anything, but this time. Every 100 miles. Lord, help us all with that comment.

That's just what I heard from a reliable source who said his brother or cousin did that. The car companies want you to go 3K miles between changes because they know their engines won't hold up that long. 200K, 300K later, the engine is shot. But do it every 100 miles and that puppy will last forever.

SH

LOL. I remember jls talking about getting an oil change every 1000 miles, thought he was nuts.

Dj
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qstick777 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 23, 2007, 01:28:57 PM »

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There is not a single bowling ball manufacturer in the world that makes a profit.

Wholly untrue.

Everytime this topic has come up I've posted the yearly review from Brunswick corporation showing that their bowling ball division was well in the black & making a profit.

The portion of the company not making a profit was their bowling center division, and after the major restructuring they were doing that was projected to be in the black by EOY 2008.

Have to agree with that.

It's from 2004, so maybe things have changed: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/2004-05-27-hiestand_x.htm

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But consumers buy about 2 million balls annually, Chrisman says. And while the privately held Storm Bowling doesn't release sales figures, Chrisman says it has about 28% of the high- and mid-priced ball market â€” and fragrances have "done a lot for the brand."

I don't see how the companies are staying in business if they are losing money. And, if they are losing money, why are they continuing to spend "millions" in R&D, and why do they continue to release a new ball every few months?

Plus, let's all not forget that bowling is in a state of decline and pretty soon the entire game/sport of bowling will just be a memory!

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shelley · « **Reply #39 on:** January 23, 2007, 01:59:22 PM »

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LOL. I remember jls talking about getting an oil change every 1000 miles, thought he was nuts.

Damn that took a long time to figure out. I was getting ready to give up.

SH

MARKER · « **Reply #40 on:** January 23, 2007, 02:26:34 PM »

Cheap land and taxes, and a cheap labor force are often an incentive for companies to build plants outside of the US. Another reason can be very loose environmental regulations for manufacturing plants. This is unfortunate as it puts plants in our country at a disadvantage that is often impossible to overcome.

You don't find too much chroming going on compared to what took place in the past in the US. Most of your smaller aftermarket auto parts that are chromed are imported and they are really cheap.

About 10 years ago, I saw what a US company was paying for product they were importing. For a decent quality racing oil pan they were paying $50 each delivered to the US. They were selling them to their WD's for $100 each. End user paid $150-200. So there lies the rub. Where most people would be happy to have 20-40% profit to their WD's (warehouse direct) the greedy ones were doubling their money on even big ticket items.

The other unfortuntate thing is that we often don't know where things are made.
Sometimes in auto parts, especially aftermarket products, the manufacturers somehow skirt labeling things as foreign made. Many of the aluminum castings start life outside of this country, then are finished and put in a box where everyone thinks it was made in good ole USA. Then when someone tries to make the product from start to finish here, they go under. Not fair. Our government needs to do a much better job requiring labeling. At least with information you could make a choice in purchasing, if it was important to you.

As far as Brunswick goes, they have been upfront I feel as far as their new plant and what they are doing. So, while you do have a choice whether to buy their balls, when you do purchase a Brunswick ball you are dealing with a company that demonstrates integrity. Plus their staff frequents these forums and has proven very helpful inspite of being on the receiving end of a lot of negative posts.

Marker

keglerskave · « **Reply #41 on:** January 24, 2007, 10:53:11 PM »

Just a thought. Do you think Brunswick made this move to enhance the quality of their product or to simply add more profit margin to the corporate accounts?

They've taken away jobs from US citizens, Mothers and Fathers, all factory workers who have faithfully punched the big "B" timeclock for decades.

If the actual production costs are reduced by, say, 25% because Mario, Jose and Juanita are very happy to receive their $5 an hour wage, do you honestly think the wholesale cost will refelect this? I'm sure the suggested retail price of the newest Brunswick line will reflect this and drive the market price of ALL bowling balls down across the U.S of A. No? You don't think so?

Just curious. What's the suggested retail price of the Fury? I'm gonna guess $229.95.....Think the actual cost to manufacture this ball is the same as the original Inferno? Not if you ask all the Michigan factory workers who are trying to salvage their lives....heck, it's even one of those new, high tech SYMMETRICAL cores! <sigh>

Jim
Officially promoting and recommending American-made bowling equipment. Enough is enough.

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 24, 2007, 11:11:26 PM »

1992 Chevrolet Silverado Pick-Up with 180,000 miles and still original engine, transmission, etc. and have never done nothing to it other than change oil every 5000 miles (Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil) and replace spark plugs as needed and it still uses no oil between changes. Runs as strong today as it did the day I got it. To sum it up, American automobiles run more than 100,000 miles without problems if maintained right.
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UpTheLeftGutta · « **Reply #43 on:** January 24, 2007, 11:42:28 PM »

Read "The world is flat" by friedman.

Globalization is going to rearrange business. Its a fact and deal with it.

Stop complaining that a job is going out of town. The unemployment rate is low, and as far as I am concerned, my job outlook after school is great.

American made is a thing of the past.

The quality in products is amazingly similar, so companies cannot compete on that anymore.

The competiton has moved into a cost cutting/incentive trend.

The american car market is lagged by the Union component.

Japanese cars are now assembled in the USA. Woah, we added jobs here!!

American Cars are at their peak quality. Just look at GM's warranty. It rivals Hyndaui

Djarum · « **Reply #44 on:** January 25, 2007, 07:38:12 AM »

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Read "The world is flat" by friedman.

Globalization is going to rearrange business. Its a fact and deal with it.

Stop complaining that a job is going out of town. The unemployment rate is low, and as far as I am concerned, my job outlook after school is great.

American made is a thing of the past.

The quality in products is amazingly similar, so companies cannot compete on that anymore.

The competiton has moved into a cost cutting/incentive trend.

The american car market is lagged by the Union component.

Japanese cars are now assembled in the USA. Woah, we added jobs here!!

American Cars are at their peak quality. Just look at GM's warranty. It rivals Hyndaui

We have a toyota plant, hyundai plant, and a honda plant all in the state of Alabama.

Dj
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