Author Topic: HELP Rico & Nick. (Read 8951 times)

dumbcomputers · « **on:** June 29, 2008, 07:18:51 AM »

I drilled up a new Ultra Zone this week and something is seriously wrong with it. I drilled it with the #2 drill on the Brunswick drill sheet (5 1/2 from PAP MB @ 45). It doesn't flare at all and worst it starts rolling on my thumbhole half way down the lane like it's flaring in reverse!!! The only thing strange about this ball is the location of the CG but my driller said it was under 1 oz side weight after drilling as it didn't have a huge amount of top weight. This ball does not hook at all. I threw it today back to back against a Cherry Vibe drilled 5 1/2" to PAP pin up and the Vibe hooked about 10-13 boards while the Ultra did nothing. Is it possible it's defective somehow???

The pro shop is closed till July 7th but I wanted to get some feedback before talking to the driller. Thx.

BTW: my PAP is 4 1/4 and 15/16" up, 16-17 MPH, 250-275 RPM, 15 degrees tilt.

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Edited on 6/29/2008 3:23 PM

dumbcomputers · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2008, 10:37:02 AM »

Thank you Chris, you make my thread a little more interesting than it really is

- No, I'm not going to crack the ball. I don't think Brunswick did anything intentionally.
- Yes, it is frustrating.
- I drilled 5 balls this year, this was the only one that gave me any problems. The others were TNV, NM Beat'N, Cherry Vibe, Smokin' Inferno (*which I love), and UZ.

JohnP · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2008, 10:42:08 AM »

Have you tried surface changes? -- JohnP

JMORRIS · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2008, 11:13:34 AM »

I don't think the ball is defective.

I'm sure your driller will add a hole to try and tune the ball reaction. If that won't work maybe he'll plug and redrill or replace the ball for you.

That is the benefit to buying the ball from a proshop, although summer hours usually are slim to none for a lot of shops.

Jermey
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BallReviews-TECH · « **Reply #19 on:** July 02, 2008, 04:15:48 PM »

Ok, so asking you guys to keep stuff on topic isn't working so whoever continues off-topic past here will be facing a one week timeout from posting.

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dumbcomputers · « **Reply #20 on:** July 02, 2008, 05:05:40 PM »

I highly doubt that adding weight hole will improve it if it's flaring backwards. If anything it's going to make it worst or zero out all core dynamics altogether. It's not like the ball is reacting badly to a lane condition it is not reacting PROPERLY to any lane condition.

On a side note, Rico did get me in touch with Brunswick customer support and they have been very helpful so far and willing to work with me on the situation. So far I have not lost faith in Brunswick whatsoever.

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I don't think the ball is defective.

I'm sure your driller will add a hole to try and tune the ball reaction. If that won't work maybe he'll plug and redrill or replace the ball for you.

That is the benefit to buying the ball from a proshop, although summer hours usually are slim to none for a lot of shops.

Jermey
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RealBowler · « **Reply #21 on:** July 02, 2008, 06:21:45 PM »

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Chris, at what point do you not generalize? Merely because you have a problem with a bowling ball does not mean EVERYONE does. Just like the Brunswick employee that chooses to be anonymous, huh?

So, because you do not know how to layout a bowling ball properly, do not blame the core. Brunswick, unlike other ball companies, utilize more than one core shape, which I can see can cause an issue for you.

The Ultra Zone is the most versatile, along with the Twisted Fury, bowling ball in Brunswick's line up. For those qualified to realize that.
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"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish."

Wow. Perhaps I missed the point where Chris turned this into a personal attack, because surely a highly respected representative of one of the top bowling companies would never launch a personal attack without being provoked.
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RealBowler · « **Reply #22 on:** July 02, 2008, 06:44:28 PM »

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There were a few posts deleted.
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"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish."

That figures. Some of the stuff didn't look right. It's always funny to see the stuff between you guys and the Beans crew, and that's not an attack of any sort to either of you, just a personal observation.

Back on topic (so as to not get a suspension), I'm going to assume that you are using the ball on the correct conditions? Was the ball checked prior to drilling to verify CG, top, MB, etc?

I think the Ultra Zone looks like a great ball. Might be the ball that brings me back to Brunswick.
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Juggernaut · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2008, 07:05:20 PM »

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There were a few posts deleted.
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Ric Hamlin
Pacific Northwest Product Specialist
Brunswick Bowling

www.BrunswickBowling.com
www.DBKMiniCamp.com

"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish."

That figures. Some of the stuff didn't look right. It's always funny to see the stuff between you guys and the Beans crew, and that's not an attack of any sort to either of you, just a personal observation.

Back on topic (so as to not get a suspension), I'm going to assume that you are using the ball on the correct conditions? Was the ball checked prior to drilling to verify CG, top, MB, etc?

I think the Ultra Zone looks like a great ball. Might be the ball that brings me back to Brunswick.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but remember, Brunswick is the CGNOMADDAH crowd, so the placement of the cg surely cannot be the problem, as long as the riser pin and the mass biass are in the correct orientation. The cg would only serve to dictate the placement of an x-hole, if needed.

Given that, it is possible to get a bad ANYTHING. If somehow the block were far enough " out of kilter", couldn't it cause the mass bias to actually be shifted away from the intended spot and into an unmarked area on the ball?

The weightblock may have shifted severly in this ball while being poured and, could thusly, have a mass bias marker pin that would incorrectly mark where the mass bias is on the ball. The only way I know of to determine this is to spin it up on a determinator and find the actual mass bias spot.

The pins, both the riser pin and the mass bias marker pin, are attached to the weightblock in predetermined places. These places, if the manufacturing process goes correctly, mark the top of the weightblock ( riser pin ) and the mass bias ( smaller pin ). If the process goes wrong, who's to say what effect it could have?
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