Author Topic: If you ever..................... (Read 11128 times)

BrunsBob · « **on:** July 26, 2006, 04:19:17 PM »

.....wonder why you don't see more responses on here from us Brunswick guys, people like Booling Eh would be the reason.

BTW, it's been way too long since I've truly thanked the real Brunswick Nation members for their support of Brunswick. If you don't think you matter......think again. We LUV YA !!! You keep us on our toes in an effort to continue to please and amaze you with our latest offerings. We'll keep working hard so you can succeed on the lanes.

RoB LAW

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Easy10pins · « **Reply #16 on:** July 27, 2006, 12:21:21 PM »

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I thank you guys for responding I just don't understand why you always dodge the one most important question. Yea I was upset about the re-release of what seems to be the same ball (still no confimation). Just why can't you answer the one most important question?

I believe you have dodged their most important question too.

Because it is so freaking obvious it's kicking you right in the teeth. Read the Nemesis and the Wizard ball chart and they are identical. Read the write ups for each ball and they practically read the same. Damn near every printed word regarding the ball IS THE SAME. But the Wizard does have GLOW ENGRAVING.

Nemesis

Coverstock
PowrKoil 18 Reactive
Color:Black/Orange Solid
Hardness: 76-78
Factory Finish
800-Grit Wet Sand

Core Dynamics
RG Max: 2.580â€
RG Min: 2.536â€
RG Diff: 0.044â€
RG Avg: 4.6
Performance
Hook Potential: 125
Length: 85
Breakpoint Shape: 60

Wizard
PowrKoil18 Reactive
Color: Black/Blue Solid
Hardness: 76-78
Glow Engraving
Factory Finish
800-grit wet sand

Core Dynamics
Two-component Dynamically Symmetrical core
RG Max: 2.580â€
RG Min: 2.536â€
RG Diff: 0.044â€
RG Avg: 4.6 out of 10
Performance
Hook Potential 125
Length 85
Breakpoint Shape 60

If you get both balls with the same out of the box specs and drill them both the same, THEY WILL REACT THE SAME.

Rocket Science 101
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Easy10pins · « **Reply #17 on:** July 27, 2006, 12:37:29 PM »

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from what ive read, the guy bought the Wizard, already had the Nemesis and is now pissed off that he has two of virtually the same ball.

With all that is available on the internet, all one has to do is search for information and wah-lah.

Personally, I don't buy any new ball until I read the reviews, talk to the pro shop and watch someone roll it.
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KDawg77 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 27, 2006, 12:45:49 PM »

You'd have to be Robert Mushtare to think they're different balls.

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headwest · « **Reply #19 on:** July 27, 2006, 12:54:23 PM »

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Bob, it's why I put the guy on ignore a long time ago. Feel free to do the same

Honestly, I feel kind of slighted that you guys would respond to him and ignore my questions when I'm not getting mean and nasty about it

In case you don't remember or would like to answer now - how is a Wizard different from a Nemesis besides color, and how is a Red Zone different from the Strike Zone in any way other than color and factory polish? The Wizard and Red Zone have both been claimed as different from their seemingly equivalent counterparts, but there is no technical reason known to make this the case. If a Red Zone IS just a factory polished red-colored Strike Zone and a Wizard IS just a blue Nemesis, feel free to confirm that as well, it won't change my views about Brunswick for better or for worse as I understand marketing/business (though I would be somewhat frusturated and disappointed that it would have taken so long to get a straight answer, but I'll get over it ).
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KDawg77 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:00:54 PM »

I know I'm ignoring him.

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ChrispyBrownies · « **Reply #21 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:04:14 PM »

Keep up the hard work you guys, it shows in the awesome equipment.

viva la nacion de Brunswick!
Chrispy
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BackToBasics · « **Reply #22 on:** July 27, 2006, 01:34:03 PM »

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You misquoted me. I started the statement about BTM with a IIRC (If I recal correctly) since it had been a week or so ago when I read it and it was in passing. The part about pigment and tolerances was my opinion.

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Ok so they say if there memory serves them correctly. Now remember they testes between 50-100 bowling balls since the Strike Zone. I highly doubt they are gonna remember how angular a polished Strike Zone was. Actually it has been a year since they reviewed the Strikes Zone so make that 100+ balls for sure.

My point is that an independent source mentioned a possible difference in reaction.

chi:
I'm just asking that let's assume that Brunswick has actually said they were two different balls. How can you say it's BS when you personall haven't thrown both drilled identically with the same surface and at the same time? Why question the integrity of the posters without some kind of independent proof?

You asked for another company. Let me ask you this. If I take cover A with RG numbers 2.50 and diff .043. Then I take another ball with cover A with RG numbers 2.51 and diff .048. Should the amount of oil handling capabilities drastically change? Should one be a heavy oil and the other dry?

sdbowler · « **Reply #23 on:** July 27, 2006, 03:59:29 PM »

I might be wrong but I thought people wanted a Nemesis remake. So if that is the case in you were in business to make money, would you either remake the same ball or make something that looks different? I would make something that looks different but has the same stats just like ALL ball companies do. How many times did Ebonite remake some of their big sellers under different names? Stop and think about it, it's a little thing call business.
As far as the move to Mexico goes, I have stated before I will continue to use Brunswick as long as they continue to make excellent equipment. Brunswick staffers were brought up somewhere else in here. I have only dealt with BrunsPro and he is a heck of a nice guy. Would love to deal with more of them to help sells of Brunswick around the Sioux Falls area.
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Djarum · « **Reply #24 on:** July 27, 2006, 04:19:11 PM »

I get the need for the "Red Zone", especially if the ball is manufactured differently with the same ingrediants such as achappy said. I also agree that duplicating the OOB is sometimes difficult, so getting the same reaction from the strike zone to the redzone will probably never happen. However, I think if they are going to make a remake, they should call it that instead of branding it a new ball that reacts differently than the previous, but all the specs say it's the same ball. This is just my .02.

Dj
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shelley · « **Reply #25 on:** July 27, 2006, 05:27:20 PM »

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Well I guess the Brunswick guys can see it since they aren't answering me why do you think that may be Chad?

Actually they did answer. Possibly in another thread. It went something like "if the numbers are all the same, why would you drill two of them and expect them to react differently." He didn't seem like he was being very nice, kinda sarcastic and kinda annoyed with you. Rightly so at this point.

SH

FastTracker33 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 27, 2006, 06:28:59 PM »

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Booling--people have answered your questions on here,
(I don't know why) but you don't like the answers. You
claim to work in a pro shop--ask your Brunswick rep, who
comes in the shop.
As for the Brunswick reps who occasionally come on line
here, they do it as a service for us bowlers. I have per-
sonally known BrunsRich for some time--since he worked at the
Orleans. He has always gone out of his way to help others. He
is a good guy and his answers are honest.
They are also not required to answer some clown,kid who continues
to ask questions and insult them. They have never been anything
more than helpful.
As for what Brunswick, the corporation does, they are not answerable
to you or any one else--just read the bottom line, profit or loss.

JDT I have asked them and they answered every question except the most important one being "Do the Wizard and Nemesis react the same?". I have PMed BrunsRicH and he deflected it and I answered every question he asked me. All I want is an answer and I know atleast two people on staff at Brunswick purposly avoided it. It's not hard to answer either Yes or No.

i thought you were nocturnal, Booling?
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triggerman · « **Reply #27 on:** July 27, 2006, 06:45:25 PM »

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Booling--people have answered your questions on here,
(I don't know why) but you don't like the answers. You
claim to work in a pro shop--ask your Brunswick rep, who
comes in the shop.
As for the Brunswick reps who occasionally come on line
here, they do it as a service for us bowlers. I have per-
sonally known BrunsRich for some time--since he worked at the
Orleans. He has always gone out of his way to help others. He
is a good guy and his answers are honest.
They are also not required to answer some clown,kid who continues
to ask questions and insult them. They have never been anything
more than helpful.
As for what Brunswick, the corporation does, they are not answerable
to you or any one else--just read the bottom line, profit or loss.

JDT I have asked them and they answered every question except the most important one being "Do the Wizard and Nemesis react the same?". I have PMed BrunsRicH and he deflected it and I answered every question he asked me. All I want is an answer and I know atleast two people on staff at Brunswick purposly avoided it. It's not hard to answer either Yes or No.

my opinion, similar, but as bob stated, pigment has always had a factor in reaction, take it with a grain of salt, but my guess is they are every so slightly different because of color. then of course, you have the ever present difference in pk18 batch to batch. big b has tweeked that formula so many times, i am a lane 1 guy, but the silver diamond had pk18, the original was much stronger then the remake, wonder why, formulations, all it takes if for one part of that chemical make up to be tweeked and the reaction is different. heck 2 nemisis's drilled the same probably dont react exactly the same (read core mass bias) you cannot even get two of the orignial ones to react the same even with the same pins/drillings, close yes, but the same? no. so drop it there is no clear cut answer to this

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Easy10pins · « **Reply #28 on:** July 27, 2006, 06:49:34 PM »

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JDT I have asked them and they answered every question except the most important one being "Do the Wizard and Nemesis react the same?". I have PMed BrunsRicH and he deflected it and I answered every question he asked me. All I want is an answer and I know atleast two people on staff at Brunswick purposly avoided it. It's not hard to answer either Yes or No.

Dude, you have reached TROLL status and going on my MOST IGNORED list. I have posted it for you to read and even someone quoted my post just for yu0.

The Nemesis and the Wizard, with the same specs out of the box, drilled the same will react the same. In a perfect world - you will be able to find both balls with the same exact top weight and pin placement.

No Brunswick rep will respond to you because they have all IGNORED you.

And you still haven't answered the question regarding the location of the pro shop that you claim to work in.

I'll wait for a direct response from you before I ignore you though but I feel that you will DEFLECT and ignore this post as you have so many others.

Aloha.
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LuvThatWhiteDot · « **Reply #29 on:** July 27, 2006, 07:43:56 PM »

Booling,

According to your profile, you work in a pro shop. Therefore, you have access to almost every ball available out there, right?

Why not drill a Wizard and a Nemesis exactly the same and throw them on the same pattern and test the theory yourself?

Why is it so important to get an answer from the Brunswick Gods? If someone from Brunswick tells you they'll react the same, will you believe it?
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Edited on 7/27/2006 7:40 PM

FastTracker33 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 27, 2006, 07:49:23 PM »

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Trolling Eh....thats a much better name for him

LOL, i almost fell out of my seat!

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