Author Topic: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long) (Read 6989 times)

Dennis Rhodes · « **on:** January 31, 2009, 03:12:35 PM »

Hello Everybody,

This is just an observation of my equipment, and that is it.
My current arsenal is:
Brunswick Maxxx Zone #2 (Rev-Levarage, 1500 grit)
Brunswick Maxxx Zone #1 (10:30 drill-4 1/2 pin to pap, pin above ring finger, 1000 grit with storm extra shine)
Brunswick Vapor Zone (3 inch pin to pap, 3 1/2 psa to pap, 1000 grit with storm extra shine)
Brunswick Wild Ride (4 1/2 Pin to pap, drilled 60 degree psa, 1000 grit with storm extra shine)
Brunswick Copperhead (3 inch to pap, 5 inch to cg from pap)
Brunswick Swarm (rico'd, 4000 grit abralon)
Brunswick Rhino PTE (10:30 drill see Maxxx Zone for Pin to pap distance, pin above ring finger)

At first, I have to say that I was disappointed in the Maxxx Zone and Wild Ride. Out of box, the Maxxx Zone #1 was so smooth, that it wasn't giving me the look that I had hoped for. After tinkering with the surface (as noted above), the ball is much more lively, and recovery has increased greatly. Same with Maxxx Zone #2, which is just one awesome piece for heavy conditions. The Wild Ride had disappointed slightly in the oob surface. It was great as long as I kept it right of 15, but it became a little touchy when I moved deeper. Carry-down seemed to affect it greatly, and it seemed to cover about the same area on the same condition as my Vapor Zone. After messing with the surface, I have seen this ball start to do as it showed in the video on Brunswick's website. It is good from outside, medium, and inside of 20 now. This was definitely interesting considering that I changed the surface to allow me to stay right of my Vapor. The copperhead, I am still searching for the right surface. The ball is incredibly smooth, which takes away from recovery, but I am still hopeful that surface altercations (I have tried oob, 2000 with storm extra shine without much success) will prove fruitful. The Swarm is great, and much more predictable with the current surface alterations. Sorry for the long post. I have read some posts where people have been slightly disappointed in the new offerings, and just wanted to say; feel free to change the surfaces. This has made, what appeared to be some average equipment, into some awesome pieces.
Thanks for your time,
Dennis
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You''d be good, if it wasn''t for your brain!-My Older Brother

bluerrpilot · « **Reply #1 on:** February 01, 2009, 07:31:24 AM »

Its a good thing most manufactures recomend adjusting the surface for different results. All they need to do now is put out a warning label that says dont try to duplicate a reaction seen in a video or on tv
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Easy10pins · « **Reply #2 on:** February 01, 2009, 08:03:28 AM »

Isn't that a given though?

I know I don't roll the ball like Billy O. So why would I expect, using the Wild Ride as an example, for a ball with the same specs/drilling to give me the same reaction?
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bluerrpilot · « **Reply #3 on:** February 01, 2009, 09:05:19 AM »

quote:
Isn't that a given though?

I know I don't roll the ball like Billy O. So why would I expect,

It should be. There are always exceptions to the rule, you are one of them.
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Verbs · « **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:08:26 AM »

You don't know how many people come in to a pro shop, or contact companies, saying that they didn't get the reaction that was advertised and want a refund.

For instance, the Wild Ride is supposed to be a skid/snap ball, but invariably someone who buys the ball, whose ball speed is just short of Mach 1. And whose rev rate is well short of Ernie Schlegel's (no disrespect to Ernie intended), will either go back to his pro shop saying this ball is a piece of crap, or will write a review on this site stating how disatisfied because the ball didn't do what it was advertised or both.

As educated players, pro shop operators, ball reps, etc., we NEED to educate our ball buying public as to what ball should match a players game the best.

Now here's the really downside. The pro shop operator, in some instances, is now a crook in this customers eyes, because he/she sold them this P.O.C. (PG version

) and will not give the customer a refund.

While I am not a pro shop opeator or ball rep anymore, I try and educate consumers that the surface that the ball comes out of the box is not the "Holy Grail" surface. You can adjust the surface without damaging the ball. Just remember, you can always resurface the ball back to near OOB condition.

Dennis, I applaud you for not giving upon these pieces and working with the surfaces until you found the right combination.

Verbs

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johns811 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:13:23 AM »

I laugh everytime somebody uses a ball for 3 games and decides to sell it because it didn't match up and they never tweaked the surface. Sure there are some balls that you will never get along with, but if you don't adjust the cover you will never really know.

Let alone a plug and redrill without adjusting the cover, that is probably even dumber.

mainzer · « **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:21:19 AM »

Verbs has a great point, but we have to remember some people that bowl are true idiots, and don't understand that different ball speeds and rev rates equate different reactions with an otherwise equal setup. And these people refuse to learn, or even let someone tell them anything, because they are always right and no one else not even ball reps, PBA Pros, or pro shop owners know more than they do.

idiots hurt the game just IMO
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then their is no death,
and if their is no death,
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nd300 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:38:08 AM »

Mainzer,
Your statement that idiots hurt the game hits the nail right on the head. There are so many once a week bowlers who do watch the PBA,see the pros throw a certain ball and go buy it expecting it to act the same way on their league oil pattern that they saw on the previous Sunday telecast. When it doesn't,they do as was described and sell it.
It seems that bowling balls have also become another unfortunate victim to our present day "throw away" society if it doesn't work perfectly the first time and every time after that.
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Chris
JTTDB---Just Throw The Damn Ball
Don't "think"---that ball isn't in your bag yet..........

OddBalls · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2009, 11:26:55 AM »

I've seen the WR twice now thrown by three different bowlers and I've got to say, I'm not really impressed by what I saw. Rash, Dorin=Ballard and the lady from last week were throwing them and really (IMHO) NOT getting a good read or reaction from them.

Anyone else notice this??
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mainzer · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2009, 11:39:25 AM »

Brunswick Didn't look very good yesterday that is for sure
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then their is no death,
and if their is no death,
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Deathclutch · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2009, 11:42:11 AM »

quote:
I've seen the WR twice now thrown by three different bowlers and I've got to say, I'm not really impressed by what I saw. Rash, Dorin=Ballard and the lady from last week were throwing them and really (IMHO) NOT getting a good read or reaction from them.

Anyone else notice this??
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Inverted 1 and Dead Flush are my Evil Twins...

Yeah I have noticed. The doesnt seem to read the lane well at all. But who knows it might have looked good all week then go to crap on the telecast. Wouldnt be the first time.
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F.O.S.

COG-528 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2009, 04:52:10 PM »

Then there are once a week bowlers like myself who are trying to learn but don't have a pro shop in the house I bowl in. Reading these forum gets me more confused then educated. What are we supposed to do?

I've just gotten back into bowling regularly after six year layoff. I'm using a Columbia 300 C/Beast I bought in the late 90s and know I should get a new ball. But it is very hard to tell from what is written in the ball reviews that would be applicable to me. I can't afford to be buying multiple balls for different conditions or spending money on a new ball that doesn't work any better for me than my old C/Beast.

So what am I supposed to do???

Edited on 2/2/2009 5:53 PM

Edited on 2/4/2009 4:50 PM

DON DRAPER · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2009, 04:54:17 PM »

just because a ball didn't work on a telecast doesn't mean it's not a good ball. the majority of league bowlers know little or nothing about surface preparation....which makes all the difference in the world.

nocarey · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2009, 07:15:39 PM »

COG-528-
Your old ball may still work if you find some lightly oiled lanes.
But if you have grips get them replaced, even check your span.

As for what you saw Sean and Carolyn roll in the doubles from Reno-
They just had an off day, chances are low you will ever see either miss a single pin spare or Sean come up light too often.

Like Greg said above "surface preperation" is a major factor and you can manipulate these new surfaces in many ways. But only before and after competition.

Edited on 2/2/2009 8:16 PM

Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2009, 07:44:19 PM »

quote:
COG-528-
Your old ball may still work if you find some lightly oiled lanes.
Edited on 2/2/2009 8:16 PM

I don't think that even matters as much as the surface you're bowling on. If you're playing on wood and shoot down and in, urethanes work very well. They check up early and just roll. The only thing you're missing with a urethane ball that you can get from a reactive is MASSIVE recovery and better carry on light hits.

Get away from the urethane and you are giving up control for power. I roll urethane now and again just for fun, and on a wood THS I know I can average 210 or better, because the ball hits good on flush shots and evens out the THS pattern so I don't get that stupid jump on the back.

Roll with what works for you, but if you are bowling for money, you need to step up into the reactive, because 220's and 230's don't cut it anymore.
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