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Title: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 24, 2005, 11:30:12 AM
How many of you would like to try out a fire quantum core, wrapped in the original activator cover?  WOuldn't that be sweet?  Bob7 and i think so, and we need 998 other orders to make it happen.  Brunswick will remake any core with any cover for an order of 1000.  We think this would be an awesome ball to try, but we have to place an order of 1000 balls, so it's obvious we'll need help.  Ask people you bowl with if they'd be interested, i think this could be the best ball ever.

We were thinking of calling it the Backdraft.

EDIT:  Bobmatt and i have come up with a second ball to compliment it, the Zenith.  It will have the core of an ultimate inferno, but a solid pk18 coverstock.  Specs right now are:

Backdraft
Fire quantum core- low rg, .032 differential (low)
Original activator pearl coverstock
Black, with bright green pearl

Zenith
Ultimate inferno core- 2.513 RG, .05 differential
Solid Powerkoil 18 coverstock
Black and old hammer pink seems to be the choice

WE will make the backdraft first and if it works out, we'll make the zenith.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

Edited on 1/26/2005 4:40 PM
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: livespive on January 24, 2005, 07:39:23 PM
When you decide to make a ball with the Rhino Pro T2 core let me know,
I'll buy about 10

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Eric T. Spivey, P.E.
 Visionary Test Staff Member
http://www.visionarybowling.com
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 24, 2005, 07:47:12 PM
quote:
Are you sure 1000 is the limited number? I heard 500 before.


How about we just remake the Raven Quantum?
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Brunswick 04-06

Well whatever, we still need a bunch of people.

Nah, i'd rather see what would happen with the Backdraft.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 24, 2005, 07:49:44 PM
But a quantum with activator would be so cool!  Joe, we can make the raven after we see what happens with the Backdraft.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 24, 2005, 07:51:30 PM
quote:
Alight you win. Put me down for 3.


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Brunswick 04-06

Haha, don't worry, if this works, i'm sure we'd be able to get people to get a raven and probably other stuff.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 24, 2005, 07:54:27 PM
quote:
It would probably similar to the Inferno anyway. Same cover both have a low Rg core(I think)
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Brunswick 04-06

Yeah but i'm thinking it will be smoother and might react differently due to different core shape.  Besides, who doesn't want a ball nobody else has?
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 24, 2005, 08:39:18 PM
quote:
Only 492 more to go.
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Brunswick 04-06

Hey, for only an hour and a half that's pretty good.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: BrunsNick on January 24, 2005, 09:28:25 PM
Personally, I'd rather see the Activator cover paired up with a lower differential core, something like the WRW MVP.

What would you name this Quantum if it was made?


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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badder™
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 24, 2005, 09:33:32 PM
Yeah, it would be different than a bruiser.  The core we're using is a low differential, low rg core with activator.  The bruiser is a medium diff, medium rg with pk18.  I think they'll be different.

Nick, the fire's core has like .032 diff, .001 higher than the WRW ball.

ANd nick, in the first post, a tentative name is the Backdraft.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Edited on 1/24/2005 10:31 PM
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: RSalas on January 24, 2005, 10:12:14 PM
What I'd *really* like to see would be a solid PK 18 shell with a matte finish over the the original Inferno core.  Something like that might give the V2 a run for its money.
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"Dispensing conventional wisdom to a fingertip world."

Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: stanski on January 24, 2005, 10:31:48 PM
How much would this ball run? If it was in the 90- $100 range shipped, you can count me in for one
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stanski
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: RSalas on January 24, 2005, 10:34:34 PM
quote:
What's wrong with the Ultimate?


I haven't had success with Activator (yet) on heavier oil or longer patterns.  For me, PK 18 handles a wider range of volumes than Activator.

But maybe the Absolute will prove me wrong...
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"Dispensing conventional wisdom to a fingertip world."

Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: drillbit on January 24, 2005, 10:55:11 PM
I'd go for that, so count me in.

drillbit
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 25, 2005, 06:24:42 AM
YOu guys, I'll have to get a price estimate from brunswick.  I wouldn't think it be a horrible amount, considering other sites who are doing remakes and stuff are selling for 110-120, and shops always have to make a profit...
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- Andy


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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 25, 2005, 06:29:22 AM
Maybe the next (original) ball could the ultimate inferno core with PK18, to compliment this one.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: JPRLane1 on January 25, 2005, 08:27:46 AM
I will take couple of them if we can come up with a good name and color combo.
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: JPRLane1 on January 25, 2005, 11:18:14 AM
Black and royal or black and navy blue pearl will be good for me.  Hot pink pearl is also a good choice.
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: WSUstroker on January 25, 2005, 12:33:48 PM
I like the idea of the ball, but I personally feel there aren't enough green balls.  Maybe its just me, but my bag has an overabundance of red and its many derivatives.  Black works, but green is nice.
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Dan Chambers
Winona State University Bowling
I'm Dan and I approve this message.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: JPRLane1 on January 25, 2005, 12:41:51 PM
Wow how could I have missed that yes a bright green pearl would be awesome.  I will buy a case of them.  Green is my fav color and your right aren't enough green balls.  The green in the Xception is awesome looking.
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 25, 2005, 12:53:35 PM
Hmm, mabye it should be black and green then?
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: JPRLane1 on January 25, 2005, 12:58:02 PM
Green and black is good always liked the monster that was green/black.  All green is way better though.
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 25, 2005, 12:58:12 PM
quote:
I say SOLID DEEP black with a BRIGHT color - very bright. Something like green, blue, orange, or red.
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COLUMBIA 300

TRACK

BRUNSWICK?


R.I.P. Bill Trelut

You will be missed

Yes, deep black with a bright green.  Everyone think that's okay?
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: JPRLane1 on January 25, 2005, 01:06:28 PM
Scratch that yes they all have the same basic core shape but I think it has been tweaked in each ball.  
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.

Edited on 1/25/2005 2:05 PM
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 25, 2005, 01:06:49 PM
quote:
And don't the Ultimate and Original have the same core? So the only difference between the Backdraft and Zenith would be the coverstock. I believe the Absolute also has the same core.
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COLUMBIA 300

TRACK

BRUNSWICK?


R.I.P. Bill Trelut

You will be missed


Backdraft is using the Fire quantum core with normal activator pearl.  Zenith would be inferno core with solid pk18.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

Like quantums?  LIke activator?  Check this (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=73593&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2") out!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Jesse James on January 25, 2005, 01:08:00 PM
I'm in! Put me down for two!!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: JPRLane1 on January 25, 2005, 01:09:12 PM
So are we making one ball now or two.
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 25, 2005, 01:10:57 PM
quote:
So are we making one ball now or two.
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.

We are making the backdraft first.  If this whole thing works, we'll make the zenith.  I updated the main post so you can see.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

Like quantums?  LIke activator?  Check this (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=73593&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2") out!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: JPRLane1 on January 25, 2005, 01:13:14 PM
Ah yes now I see, how about solid orange for the pk18 ball or solid pink.  Or royal blue and white kinda like the nemesis only diff colors.
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I should just quit bowling, oh wait I already tried that.
Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.

Edited on 1/25/2005 2:10 PM
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 25, 2005, 01:18:21 PM
I like that.  Royal blue and white, and then black and green.  These balls would definitely stick out.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 25, 2005, 02:15:06 PM
WEll if that's true, even if they didn't make it for us, they'd notice the demand and put them in production anyways.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Iketown300 on January 25, 2005, 02:18:07 PM
I wrote this in another post but didn't notice the backdraft here.  i was thinking a Backdraft Inferno, with the original inferno core, with an all new activator or activator+ PARTICLE PEARL coverstock.  Just a thought.
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Ike Brownfield
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: 9orbetter on January 25, 2005, 02:55:38 PM
I will take two. lmk
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We all can hit the pocket,just carry the damn corners
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 25, 2005, 02:59:23 PM
quote:
The colors sound cool, what about the engraving?  Just the balls name or should we put some other stuff on it too?
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Quicky
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein

If you want, i can use my creativity like i did with the solder zone.

Well, we'll probably have the name, and then "b-nation" for the company.  Mabye we could have a logo?

EDIT:  Bobmatt says if they are shipped to him first, he can use the engraver at the pro shop he works at.  So the ball name, with "Brunswick Nation", and a logo....
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

Like quantums?  LIke activator?  Check this (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=73593&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2") out!

Edited on 1/25/2005 3:58 PM
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: RevLefty on January 25, 2005, 03:01:30 PM
im in for 1

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I have a few hammers and know how to nail the pocket with them!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Scratch on January 25, 2005, 04:46:06 PM
Why dont you call the ball Cinder, after the flaming character from the old Nintendo 64 Killer Instincts video game?  I always liked that name.  Or how about a low load particle activator+ cover matched with the med rg II core....  They could call it Towering Inferno?
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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: stanski on January 25, 2005, 11:32:07 PM
You guys should get an ad for ballreviews.com on there, maybe talk the owner into sponsoring the balls. Or you could talk to tony at allbowling.com, see if he'd sponsor it for a little advertising.

I like the backdraft idea, but think that low-rg pk18 would not be a fun ball. Wayyyy too rolly I would bet.

How about something with n-control or pk17? If its anything like the red/black monster, be careful, nick smith might buy the whole batch! Maybe put it in a low diff core, one more advertised towards a control ball, such as the tour power(we all know how popular that ball is now).

Colors on the ball sound awesome, Black and green swirls sound spiffy!

I'd really like to see this happen, you guys should get in touch with brunsrich, maybe he knows an estimated cost for this.
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stanski
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: stanski on January 25, 2005, 11:55:03 PM
quote:
quote:
You guys should get an ad for ballreviews.com on there, maybe talk the owner into sponsoring the balls. Or you could talk to tony at allbowling.com, see if he'd sponsor it for a little advertising.

I like the backdraft idea, but think that low-rg pk18 would not be a fun ball. Wayyyy too rolly I would bet.

How about something with n-control or pk17? If its anything like the red/black monster, be careful, nick smith might buy the whole batch! Maybe put it in a low diff core, one more advertised towards a control ball, such as the tour power(we all know how popular that ball is now).

Colors on the ball sound awesome, Black and green swirls sound spiffy!

I'd really like to see this happen, you guys should get in touch with brunsrich, maybe he knows an estimated cost for this.
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stanski


the danger zone is VERY similar in specs to the inferno...LOW rg, .047 (vs .05) and pk18!
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"Of what use is genius, if the organ is too convex or too concave and cannot find a focal distance within the actual horizon of human life?"-Ralph Waldo Emerson

*handing out rubbers* Look kids, unprotected sex is BAD...You might end up with a little Wicked.


And I also never liked the danger zone... I have a teamate who still has one, and I throw it every once in a while. Ball never seems to roll right for me, just doesn't fit my game well. O vell though, you can produce whatever you want, it is your company!
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stanski
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: dizzyfugu on January 26, 2005, 05:40:31 AM
I wonder if it was an option to have the light load particle coverstock from the Power Grooves (especially the pearl one from the Proactive Plum Pearl) combined with a medium RG core - for example the doorknob core from the Monster series, or maybe even the asymmetric core from the Time or Warp Zone?

Should create a good, clean control ball for a wide variety of conditions and would fit into the BVP series, where a light particle is missing.
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DizzyFugu --- Reporting from Germany

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream..." - Edgar Allen Poe
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: stanski on January 26, 2005, 10:00:29 AM
quote:
I wonder if it was an option to have the light load particle coverstock from the Power Grooves (especially the pearl one from the Proactive Plum Pearl) combined with a medium RG core - for example the doorknob core from the Monster series, or maybe even the asymmetric core from the Time or Warp Zone?

Should create a good, clean control ball for a wide variety of conditions and would fit into the BVP series, where a light particle is missing.
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DizzyFugu --- Reporting from Germany

"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream..." - Edgar Allen Poe



This would probably comparable to the golden nugget from lane 1 (pk17 light particle load), but yes, this really is missing from the lineup if you are looking for that exact coverstock, but it can be duplicated through other balls.
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stanski
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: KingCranker on January 26, 2005, 03:35:40 PM
Is it pearl?..if so put me down for 2.
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Rockin the Game,One frame at a time!


Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 26, 2005, 03:36:34 PM
WEll, it looks like we could make the balls and everything, but it all comes down to one problem....Money.  Matt and I are trying to figure out where we can get the initiial $40000-50,000 to pay for the stuff.  After its all said and done we'd be easily in the clear, but we aren't sure where to get the money to finance this.  Uh oh.

ANyone have any ideas?
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Edited on 1/26/2005 4:35 PM
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: BrunsNick on January 26, 2005, 03:39:57 PM
.05 differential on the Zenith? Typo!
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badder™
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 26, 2005, 03:42:26 PM
quote:
.05 differential on the Zenith? Typo!
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badder™
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!

HUh?  Straight from the Ultimate itself, it says "0.050".  Which is equal to ".05".
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: RSalas on January 26, 2005, 03:44:24 PM
quote:
.05 differential on the Zenith? Typo!



NOT!

The Ultimate Inferno specs, from the Brunswick Web site:

RG Max: 2.513”  
RG Min: 2.463”
RG Diff: 0.050”
RG Avg: 2.6

Last time I checked, .05 is equal to 0.050.
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"Dispensing conventional wisdom to a fingertip world."

Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: BrunsNick on January 26, 2005, 03:51:09 PM
My bad. Seeing it spelled and shop lingo must be left/right brain controlled. lol

I'm used to just calling differentials "Oh Fifty"....  ---> "ohh well"
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badder™
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 26, 2005, 03:52:06 PM
For shame Nick, and you call yourself a staffer.  I think this means now you have to fund our operations.

Hmm, you guys, i thought of something.  If brunswick allowed us, we'd be able to use the money from the Br orders (probably about 50), as a "down payment", similar to what you do with a car.  Then, we could pay brunswick back, instead of doing everything at once, which is impossible without a major amount of trust from someone with loads of cash, that we'd pay them back.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: RSalas on January 26, 2005, 03:54:35 PM
quote:
My bad. Seeing it spelled and shop lingo must be left/right brain controlled. lol

I'm used to just calling differentials "Oh Fifty"....  ---> "ohh well"


Just don't get your differentials confused with your BAC.  

OBTW, 0.08 is the legal limit for both.  Many bowlers love beer.  Coincidence?
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"Dispensing conventional wisdom to a fingertip world."

Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: BrunsNick on January 26, 2005, 04:02:28 PM
quote:
quote:
My bad. Seeing it spelled and shop lingo must be left/right brain controlled. lol

I'm used to just calling differentials "Oh Fifty"....  ---> "ohh well"


Just don't get your differentials confused with your BAC.  

OBTW, 0.08 is the legal limit for both.  Many bowlers love beer.  Coincidence?
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"Dispensing conventional wisdom to a fingertip world."

Horrid in Doubles, torrid in Singles...
...that's The Curse of Dusty.



USBC is cutting that back to .06, think the State of CA will do the same?
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badder™
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: TheDude on January 26, 2005, 04:41:17 PM
" I swear officer I only bowled two games, but I have no idea how many beers i had"


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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shop
Montreal, Quebec.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: jjweb on January 26, 2005, 04:48:23 PM
I'd be willing to help design a ball graphic for you.
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The bowling gods said "let there be strikes" and then there was Dyno-Thane!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: tommymo on January 26, 2005, 06:13:25 PM
I agree a low rg low diff. ball.  I loved my tour power and would love to throw this puppy.  Put me down for one maybe even two.
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the hell if i know
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 26, 2005, 06:13:38 PM
quote:
This got a little of topic, but basically a low rg, low differential zone with activator would potentially be excellent.  Reasons:
 
1) Low rg, low diff balls in general are hard to find, and those around have developed a great cult following ( tour power, pulse, and not many others )

2). Activator seems to be at its best with the lower rg cores.

I think you would be looking at a ball similar to the Bruiser, but with even more lane control and plenty of hit.

Yeah, that's pretty much the idea.  I think it would really be responsive to rev rate, speed and everything put into the ball.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 26, 2005, 06:36:55 PM
quote:
ok so this sounds majorly cool, has anyone contacted anybody at brunswick to see if there is interest.  I mean you probably could easily sell 100 on here, the name is cool the setup is good, does it overlap with anything currently in the brunsiwck arsenal of balls?  If not it should be an easy sell, and maybe one of the lesser companies that use brunswick, IE Elite, bulldog.or one of those would be willing to put up some change
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Triggerman

"officail IRS internet bowling site spy"

Yes, i've contacted Brunswick.  they do private label balls, and we'd need to order 500 for them to make them.  That's the only problem though, is getting the money needed to pay for brunswick's production of the balls.  Bob7 and i have already done the math and we've figured out we'd end up making money, but the thing is we have to find a way to get the initial amount owed to brunswick.  I'll have to contact them further.

And roto, thanks for the suggestions.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

Like quantums?  LIke activator?  Check this (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=73593&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2") out!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: stanski on January 26, 2005, 06:42:19 PM
I agree, low diff, low rg with activator would be best. Activator doesn't respond well to higher rg cores, and low diff seems to be a fan favorite.
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stanski
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Jim12387 on January 26, 2005, 08:27:21 PM
I would like one, however, how would you go about contacting all of the people who want this ball, and how will you get it to us? Can you give some more information?
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Jim12387 on January 26, 2005, 08:38:32 PM
Thank you, I will check back here frequently!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: im4x4nut on January 26, 2005, 09:19:10 PM
Why not Lime Green and a bright Hugger Orange...Both old Mopar car colors from the early 70's. Pattern the colors on the ball like that Karate symbol...so when you throw it you can see the two seperate colors flipping over...It will Hypnotize the competition.
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Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: KingCranker on January 26, 2005, 10:15:28 PM
If we could get Brunswick to see how many people on our site is interested,maybe it would be worth for them to release this ball and more than likely they would sell many more than just from us on the site...its a no lose,no lose situation.


Paco
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Rockin the Game,One frame at a time!


Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: KingCranker on January 26, 2005, 10:18:42 PM
also I design ball logos and could give you my opinion of the Back Draft logo...yet another step toward getting Brunswick to release this on their own...


Paco

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Rockin the Game,One frame at a time!


Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: TheDude on January 27, 2005, 12:43:30 AM
will proshops get deals like they do now with buy 4 get one free?
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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shop
Montreal, Quebec.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: im4x4nut on January 27, 2005, 06:41:24 AM
Thanks  rotofan.....I think that symbol is the Tai Chi or something like that...it's always black and white if I recall. I just thought it would be wild seeing a bright colored ball look like it was flipping while traveling down the lane.
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As with all things, this is my opinion. And we all know, opinions are like butt-holes, we all have one.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: KMAN300 on January 27, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
YES!  I'm in for the Backdraft
And I'm sure I can sell 3 or four more!!!


GEt er Done!!!
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Its just a game? Yeah Right! 2nd place is the 1st loser
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: sryan27 on January 27, 2005, 08:41:49 AM
Probably a stupid question but would you be able to
use a backdraft in leagues?  If so I'd like one.

Edited on 1/27/2005 9:39 AM
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on January 28, 2005, 01:14:09 PM
Uh, low RG would flip less than higher rg.  If you want the skid snappiest ball, you'd want something like pk17 pearl with a higher RG, high diff core.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

Like quantums?  LIke activator?  Check this (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=73593&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2") out!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: laner7pin on January 30, 2005, 09:26:41 AM
If it does come along (and it sounds like it just might), put me down for one backdraft (longer pin of course). If it really truly does happen, I will talk to Scott and see if we can do a deal and order like 10 of them for the shop....who knows.
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Hell hath no fury like a woman scorn for Sega....
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: LowRG on January 30, 2005, 09:40:18 AM
Put me down for one, I am not a big Brunswick person, but hey I am up for having something no one else has.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: CharlieBrown on January 30, 2005, 09:46:02 AM
me two!

2 x 14lbs please!  3 inch pin would be nice.

Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Brian Green on January 30, 2005, 01:45:21 PM
put me down for 1 of each we can talk specs once we find out if they are going to be made or not


thanx
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you can laugh at the way i bowl   but i will be the one laughin when i am takin your money
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: aka69erbowling300 on January 30, 2005, 02:35:03 PM
Put me down for one but I think we need a smaller more rounder core for more HOLD on the lane and a better roll!  I hate balls that sKid to far to the right before they try to roll up and then hook.

Any one can message me if they can tell me how to keep the ball from doing this with BRUNSWICK.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: KingCranker on January 30, 2005, 07:06:39 PM
I have designed a logo for the Back Draft

Paco
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Rockin the Game,One frame at a time!


Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: axeweldr on January 30, 2005, 07:49:37 PM
Count me in for both.  16 lbers

John
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Bill Davis on January 31, 2005, 06:52:05 PM
Re Backdraft, I'll take 1 in either 15 or 16.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Walking E on January 31, 2005, 07:11:46 PM
If it's a Quantum core with Activator coverstock, why not call it Quacktivator?

..OK, OK, I know I'm not helping...
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You weren't unlucky when you left that corner pin, so shut up about it already!!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: agroves on January 31, 2005, 09:27:26 PM
quote:
How about a color like the Smart Zone 1, it's white and pink pearl. Awesome Looking ball.

PS Brunswick is the only company that would seriously consider an idea from 2 kids. How great is that!
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Brunswick 04-06


I agree, the SZ1 is a great looking ball.  If we can get this going, I will take a "backdraft".  

Just a thought.............if you are going to have a ball made, why not just call it the DI, we know Bwick is never going to release one????

Andrew
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FUFU
Member of the Brunswick Nation!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: JPRLane1 on February 02, 2005, 07:29:40 AM
The Fire Q is Pk18 pearlized twoheadedboy.
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Now that I am back and my Saws are sharp again, I am ready to cut some wood.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: tgs300 on February 02, 2005, 09:36:33 AM
I'm in for a 15lbs Backdraft
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Strapper_Squared on February 02, 2005, 10:24:33 AM
I would probably prefer the zenith of the two... but if either on is actually made, I would be willing to try one out (as long as it is USBC approved ).

S^2
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-Old Western Movie on AMC
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: CharlieBrown on February 05, 2005, 05:50:44 PM
quote:

Just a thought.............if you are going to have a ball made, why not just call it the DI, we know Bwick is never going to release one????

Andrew



Yeah Andy a_ak57, let's call the Zenith Disco Inferno instead!
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Bowl Angry!

Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Mr Bass on February 05, 2005, 07:20:42 PM
There's already a Zenith
http://www.bowlingballreviews.com/ball.asp?ballid=2462
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"Smokey this is not 'Nam this is bowling, there are rules"
"Maybe those Ebonite balls hit too hard. They're too good" -Jason Couch after leaving a stone 8 pin
"Yeah but the Brunswick ones get all ten though" -Brad Angelo
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on February 05, 2005, 07:22:47 PM
Ah darn, looks like the zenith was columbia's ball Year 8, week 41, day 3, ball #143AD8J6.

Too bad.....
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

Like quantums?  LIke activator?  Check this (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=73593&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2") out!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on February 05, 2005, 07:26:00 PM
No way, that would ruin the essence of the name "disco inferno".  Now if we actually had a clear ball with a reflective disco core inside, THEN we can use that.
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- Andy


Brunswick..........'Nuff said.

Like quantums?  LIke activator?  Check this (http://"http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=73593&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2") out!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: The CYRness on February 07, 2005, 12:38:21 AM
im in!!!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: pgpelton on February 07, 2005, 05:34:50 AM
So how many are you up to?
I'm in also.
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Paul
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: L o G on February 07, 2005, 05:56:24 AM
I'm late but I'm in.
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The feeling gets so in my way
It's getting lost in my delivery
The feeling gets so in my way
I'm getting lost in your periphery
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on May 05, 2005, 07:51:53 PM
What the hell?  Why did you bump this?  I don't know if I ever posted an update, but after Bobmatt sent his email to brunswick, he never got a response, so we didn't bother...

But......why bump this?
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Loudstriker on May 05, 2005, 07:58:13 PM
They sound pretty good to me.
Count me in.
Now I need even more money!
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Things to do at a Bowling Alley
Explain to the Owner how your game has been ruined due to Platetechtonics then loose him in lingo. Demand Compensation.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on May 05, 2005, 07:59:11 PM
quote:
They sound pretty good to me.
Count me in.
Now I need even more money!
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Things to do at a Bowling Alley
Explain to the Owner how your game has been ruined due to Platetechtonics then loose him in lingo. Demand Compensation.

No no no, this post was from January...the idea never came through, Bobmatt never got a response to his email to brunswick.
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Loudstriker on May 05, 2005, 08:12:09 PM
Oh, sorry, didn't see the date.
My fault.
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Things to do at a Bowling Alley
Explain to the Owner how your game has been ruined due to Platetechtonics then loose him in lingo. Demand Compensation.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on May 05, 2005, 08:13:43 PM
quote:
Oh, sorry, didn't see the date.
My fault.
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Things to do at a Bowling Alley
Explain to the Owner how your game has been ruined due to Platetechtonics then loose him in lingo. Demand Compensation.

Don't feel bad, it's not your fault.  I'm still not sure why one half put this to the top...I'm not mad, just curious.
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Wylie on May 06, 2005, 06:56:52 AM
It's wicked...He doesn't need a reason to be a moron
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KYLE  

Bravery is being the only one who knows you're afraid.


Track Rules!
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: Bjaardker on May 06, 2005, 09:23:02 AM
Andy, why don't you just lock this one & let it die since people don't seem to read the whole thread or notice the dates before posting.
Title: Re: Introducing.........The Backdraft (and possibly Zenith)
Post by: a_ak57 on May 06, 2005, 08:35:19 PM
quote:
Andy, why don't you just lock this one & let it die since people don't seem to read the whole thread or notice the dates before posting.


I didn't want to, but looks like I'll have to go along with that.  Consider this post.....

OFFICIALLY CLOSED
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.