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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: Buckwild on November 07, 2014, 12:58:02 AM
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Which current balls are comparable to these?
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Karma solid - Perhaps the LT-48, but my LT-48 is probably slightly stronger.
Karma pearl - I'd say the Burgundy Ringer would be close, but again, maybe a tad stronger.
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Lane is correct those balls would probably be closest...I also like a blue ringer with some shine to replace the solid. It would probably be a tad smoother down the lane.
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Thanks, guys. The reason I asked, is that I have these two in good condition and I wanted to know if it was worth it to have them plugged and re-drilled for my new span and pitches.
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Both are excellent balls...the solid had a lot of hook for the money with a controllable backend reaction and the pearl was a great complement with a little less hook in the midlane.
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Clarification please, is the Karma Pearl you all are talking about the Green one with PK 18 or the Pink Black one with Activator"?
Different reactions I think!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Green/Blue.
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Buck, Thank you.
Is that what the other posters are thinking of? Also?
Also as far as the Ringer and Ringer Solid. Isn't that core a little less flare, a little different shape with more midlane and smooth continuation than say these Karmas.
Also stronger more continuous coverstocks in the Ringer series?
That is what I see...
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Lefty,
In my reply I was referring to the pink/purple Karma pearl. I thought of it as a Danger Zone reaction, but more colorful. It does have Activator Plus coverstock, which is a personal favorite of mine.
As far as the Ringers, each of mine has been stronger than their price point would indicate. My blue sold with polish is as strong on THS as anything with an exceptional midlane and finish. It's still a smooth reaction, just strong. The Platinum is the longest through the heads of the three.
We all bowl on such a wide range of conditions, not to mention bowler styles, that we'll see some differences from one guy to the next. I'm a huge fan of the Ringer line because of their exceptional value to the average bowler on the conditions they mostly see.
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Lane, in my original post, the pearl was the green/blue. What are your thoughts on that ball as far as a current comparison?
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As far as I can recall, the green/blue was a little weaker than the pink/purple Karma, as far as coverstock, so in my estimation the Platinum Ringer would be closest, but with more "pop" the last 10 feet or so.
The current line of Strike Kings would be a small step down from the Karma. I think they'd go a tad longer with nice finish (once they find the friction). Hope this helps.
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I got a 16# karma solid, single drill, vise it, with about 15 games on it for sale if anybody wants it......send me a pm
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I have a Rico drill jarma pearl along with a Rico drill Strike King and they are board for board with each other. If you want one similar to the solid just adjust surface.
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So, in a nutshell:
Blue/Black Solid = LT-48 or polished Ringer Solid
Green/Blue Pearl = Platinum Ringer or Strike King
Pink/Purple Pearl = Burgundy Ringer
Is that correct?
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I'd consider both solid and pearl Karmas equal with the Strike King. The Pink Karma is going to be closer to the Ringer series.(not the solid)
The Solid Ringer is much stronger and almost board for board with the Beatdown.
Go to 1:49 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz5Pe6_PqiE&list=UU3VftStl4sWcuACk5kkKbDw
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So, in a nutshell:
Blue/Black Solid = LT-48 or polished Ringer Solid
Green/Blue Pearl = Platinum Ringer or Strike King
Pink/Purple Pearl = Burgundy Ringer
Is that correct?
I don't think anyone said or implied that. My LT-48 is nothing like my Karma Solid; it's at least a half notch to a whole notch weaker in oil handling and hook ( 2-3 boards). Most people have said the polished Blue Solid Ringer is a lot stronger than anything else mentioned here. I haven't tried the Blue Solid myself. I would guess that the polished Karma Solid was about half way between the new LT-48 and a polished Blue Ringer.
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Hmmmm...
This is tough. I have a Pink Purple Karma, sort of skid snap but not as much as the videos I have seen of the Green one. It compares very similar to my UpRoar but more skid snappy and slightly more backend. But it does have more Flare built in to the core.
My Ringer Solid drilled pretty weak is much weaker than my Meanstreak Beatdown(second strongest symmetric solid I have ever had).(now cracked in half).
My Ringer Solid is also weaker than a Tropical Heat Solid Black Purple Hybrid I have...both in midlane and backend. I think I drilled it too weak. 5 inch pin to PAP. For me this is a hazard with lower flare balls.) I may add a touch of surface and retry. Very midlane motion and continuous at the back.
My guesses. I have not thrown and LT 48.
A Karma Solid could be replaced by a Meanstreak Beatdown drilled slightly weaker than a Karma Solid.
A Karma Green Pearl could be replaced by a more strongly drilled Strike King, or Punch out from Storm. The Strike King when drilled weak is very rounded but often when seen when the pin to PAP is near 4 1/4 or so is very strong at the break point and becomes much more angular.
Why the Karmas had a little Pop at the back or jump. The Ringers a little more rounded look. I have not seen the Platinum Ringer thrown be a good player.
Wish I know more about the LT 48.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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I'd like to update my comments a little about my Ringer Solid.
I first took it to 3000 and applied Brunswick Polish. It could almost close to the hole in my center that seems to force most of the stronger handed lefties in my house to the center.
Being in that group I just couldn't quite carry with this rounded shape symmetric. I considered adding surface but naturally as thrown surface gets gradually added. In addition I had added Ebonite Factory Polish which I consider a little more responsive off of the friction Than Brunswick Factory Finish. I overcoated by the way.
Now,,,,that extra drive..
Last night a strange warmup...and I couldn't get my recently killer Storm UpRoar to see any oil in the heads and somehow saw a ton of oil downlane.
Got out the Ringer Gorgeous Blue and Kaboom. For the last two games on the same line this ball saw oil in the heads and friction down lane and looked like the perfect top hat ball.
To keep me off 250 250 I had to throw one sideways and one of my opponents on the left slipped in a urethane wide for game 3 and finally I pinged 3 7 pins at the end of game 3. Before that the midlane square up and flush was exciting. Another night with this type of matchup could even make me look good!
To correct my error of a slightly too weak drilling on this midlane oriented core I did not feel I had the surface to match and may have finally tweaked to really make this ball look incredible. I had been told this was a super league ball.....
Typically I use balls like on this pattern with Assymetry or Strong Flip blocks like My Tropical Heat.
Somehow either the pattern is tweaked or I have started pushing a little wider to my breakpoint that balls like this Blue Orb and my UpRoar from Storm are starting to round up early enough and deliver smashing hits to the 1-2 pocket.
I'll update on continued usability!
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I still don't know how this Solid ball pushed better than my Pearl UpRoar in the heads and then read more friction downlane. Playing the same line! Sometimes a mystery!
PPS I have picked up an LT 48 and will be setting it up to compare.
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Because solid and pearl mean nothing and surface finish means everything. You list the finish of the Ringer whats the Uproar surface at?
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3000 with Brunswick Factory Finish on the UpRoar.
The only difference being the adding of the Ebonite Polish on top of the Brunswick Factory Finish to the Ringer Solid. That has taken it from no carry to flushing up....one night. I'll update on additional pocket carry nights.
Both balls carry and travel on the exact same path when carrying. Ringer gave miss both ways last night, UpRoar will give a miss outside for carry. I know the UpRoar is great....more nights for the Ringer to prove it!
Regards,
Luckylefty