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League Lane Conditions
« on: December 04, 2007, 12:17:12 PM »
Got a question that has probably come up before, but I'm asking anyway.  Take that, forum society.

How honestly fair is it to expect a fresh shot for a men's league?  I'm just wondering because it seems pretty fair to me, especially when the other 14/16 teams get a fresh shot.  I don't expect to pay $15 a week and bowl on a pair that has been used by a bunch of kids using plastic balls and house balls after the lanes had been ran.

Anyone else know what I mean?  I don't want to hear about "good bowlers can adjust" and "it's not like you were the only one who had to bowl on it."  I shot 481 and was third high on the pair.  Our 212 ave. shot 522 and one of their bowlers had 497 (granted he only averaged 177.)  I wasn't even close on the high game pot and didn't go anywhere on brackets, which is what I really rely on every week for spending money.

Not trying to whine about this, but I really don't see this being too fair.  What do you think?
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2007, 08:21:52 PM »
AGREE 100% .. if on a 2nd shift league .. house should book start time with enough time to RE-OIL!

ON EDIT: House should HOLD the League lanes once they are oiled for the LEAGUE and NOT ALLOW open bowling on them from time oiled till league starts!

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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2007, 09:05:50 PM »
I hate to bear the bad news, but i work at our local bowling alley and the fact is we don't oil the lanes for you to score we oil them to protect them.  I heard somewhere if bowling lanes weren't oiled they would only last 100 games or so. And second we are a business and we aren't going to turn away paying customers just because of a league behind them.  If they can finish in time we put them out there, if not we cut them off and take them off there.
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2007, 09:11:36 PM »
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I hate to bear the bad news, but i work at our local bowling alley and the fact is we don't oil the lanes for you to score we oil them to protect them.


Well said but this is the part that had me rolling on the floor...

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I wasn't even close on the high game pot and didn't go anywhere on brackets, which is what I really rely on every week for spending money.


Someone won the high game pot though, right?    You just need the lanes easy to have a chance right?  You are the personification of what is wrong with the game today.
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2007, 09:35:38 PM »
It's the luck of the draw.  The main point is to out bowl the other team which was bowling on the same pair.  I'm sure on some other nights, you had the good lanes while others had the chopped up ones.  League contract might stipulate fresh oil, but I'm not sure how common it is.  I know you didnt want to hear it, but even with a ton of carry down, I expect to hit 550-600 with a lot of flat 10's and a whole bunch of made spares.  If you're big into brackets, get there early to see if the lanes have been used or wait to enter until after practice to make sure you have a reasonable shot.

Why is this in the Brunswick forum???

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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 09:40:10 PM »
Another thing the 15 dollars that you pay, only 9 or 10 of it goes into lineage.  We just put 4 kids and 1 adult on your lane, hit them for 4 dollars a pair for shoes and 4 dollars a per person a game.  They bowl two games and we just hit them for 50 bucks.  Sorry to the people who got stuck on your pair, but like a said, we are a business.
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 09:46:52 PM »
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I hate to bear the bad news, but i work at our local bowling alley and the fact is we don't oil the lanes for you to score we oil them to protect them.  I heard somewhere if bowling lanes weren't oiled they would only last 100 games or so. And second we are a business and we aren't going to turn away paying customers just because of a league behind them.  If they can finish in time we put them out there, if not we cut them off and take them off there.
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I worked at a local center many years ago and this isn't entirely true. Yes the oil protects the lane but in todays environment lanes are not only oiled for protection but also to increase the scoring pace. Otherwise why not just program your machine to oil 1 to 1 for 60ft, thats the best protection you can have. Also if done correctly you can have open play and still put down a fresh shot for leagues.


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Someone won the high game pot though, right?    You just need the lanes easy to have a chance right?  You are the personification of what is wrong with the game today.



I didn't see anywhere in his post were he asked for the shot to be easy, only fair. How would you like going to a tournament were every pair you hit was oiled with a different, tougher condition and all other pairs were oiled with a THS. I would be willing to bet you wouldn't like it.

When bowling in competition the condition should be consistent from pair to pair period. Of course they are going to break down differently depending on who and how they are played but they should start out consistent. What this center is doing is unfair to the people who have to bowl on the lanes that were being used for open play prior to league.
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 09:51:45 PM »
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Another thing the 15 dollars that you pay, only 9 or 10 of it goes into lineage.  We just put 4 kids and 1 adult on your lane, hit them for 4 dollars a pair for shoes and 4 dollars a per person a game.  They bowl two games and we just hit them for 50 bucks.  Sorry to the people who got stuck on your pair, but like a said, we are a business.
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The league bowler is there week end and week out and these open bowlers might be in 2-3 times per year so now who are you making more money off of. Not to mention the league bowler is more likely to spend more money on food/drinks as well as spend money in your proshop. If the center is run correctly there should be no problem having all the open bowling you can handle as well as having a fresh shot down for league.
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 09:56:04 PM »
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It's the luck of the draw.  The main point is to out bowl the other team which was bowling on the same pair.  I'm sure on some other nights, you had the good lanes while others had the chopped up ones.  League contract might stipulate fresh oil, but I'm not sure how common it is.  I know you didnt want to hear it, but even with a ton of carry down, I expect to hit 550-600 with a lot of flat 10's and a whole bunch of made spares.  If you're big into brackets, get there early to see if the lanes have been used or wait to enter until after practice to make sure you have a reasonable shot.

Why is this in the Brunswick forum???

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Edited on 12/4/2007 10:35 PM


This would be true if there weren't brackets and pots involved. Thats were it becomes unfair. Its not always realistic to get to the bowling center early enough to see if there are people bowling open play on your pair. And if his center is anything like mine 550-600 won't get you anywhere in brackets. Bottom line is your center doesn't care if you make money in brackets or pots as long as your check clears for your bowling fees. I'm just glad that my home center takes a different view on things.
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Edited on 12/4/2007 10:57 PM

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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2007, 10:05:46 PM »
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Another thing the 15 dollars that you pay, only 9 or 10 of it goes into lineage.  We just put 4 kids and 1 adult on your lane, hit them for 4 dollars a pair for shoes and 4 dollars a per person a game.  They bowl two games and we just hit them for 50 bucks.  Sorry to the people who got stuck on your pair, but like a said, we are a business.
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The league bowler is there week end and week out and these open bowlers might be in 2-3 times per year so now who are you making more money off of. Not to mention the league bowler is more likely to spend more money on food/drinks as well as spend money in your proshop. If the center is run correctly there should be no problem having all the open bowling you can handle as well as having a fresh shot down for league.
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Exactly the open bowlers are aren't there nearly as often as the league bowlers.  So why would anyone turn them away, knowing that theres a good chance they won't come back for awhile.  The league bowler is there every week, he may be pissed at the end of the night, but he will be back
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Edited on 12/4/2007 11:10 PM
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2007, 10:08:02 PM »
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Why is this in the Brunswick forum???


I'm guessing this was a Brunswick house ?

Corprate Brunswick houses always seem to be good with oiling the lanes making due for league bowlers...
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2007, 10:09:58 PM »
Also, no one in trying to screw with the league's oil.  We aren't trying to get them upset by allowing open play, but we aren't going to turn paying customers away.  Its the luck of the draw, it happens and you have to bowl as well as you can.  Oiling gutter to gutter is just stupid, yes we want the scores to be high.  I know some people who refuse to bowl in certain centers because the shot is harder, we don't want to be that center.
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Re: League Lane Conditions
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2007, 10:12:13 PM »
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Another thing the 15 dollars that you pay, only 9 or 10 of it goes into lineage.  We just put 4 kids and 1 adult on your lane, hit them for 4 dollars a pair for shoes and 4 dollars a per person a game.  They bowl two games and we just hit them for 50 bucks.  Sorry to the people who got stuck on your pair, but like a said, we are a business.
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Move left, hook it more.....

Tommy Jones is a Gamecock fan...are you???

We shall now refer a 4-bagger as a hambone...Mark it down the revolution has started!



The league bowler is there week end and week out and these open bowlers might be in 2-3 times per year so now who are you making more money off of. Not to mention the league bowler is more likely to spend more money on food/drinks as well as spend money in your proshop. If the center is run correctly there should be no problem having all the open bowling you can handle as well as having a fresh shot down for league.
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Exactly the open bowlers are aren't there nearly as often as the league bowlers.  So why would anyone turn them away, knowing that theres a good chance they won't come back for awhile.  The league bowler is there every week, he may be pissed at the end of the night, but we will be back
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Move left, hook it more.....

Tommy Jones is a Gamecock fan...are you???

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Maybe, maybe not. If your the only center within 50 miles, yes, but if there are other centers that don't allow this then he/she may just go there. I know in my area there are too many centers to choose from to have to put up with stuff I don't want to. My "home" center stops all open play between 5 and 5:15 which gives the laneman more than enough time to dress the lanes and have them ready for league.
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Re: League Lane Conditions
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2007, 10:20:36 PM »
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Also, no one in trying to screw with the league's oil.  We aren't trying to get them upset by allowing open play, but we aren't going to turn paying customers away.  Its the luck of the draw, it happens and you have to bowl as well as you can.  Oiling gutter to gutter is just stupid, yes we want the scores to be high.  I know some people who refuse to bowl in certain centers because the shot is harder, we don't want to be that center.
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Move left, hook it more.....

Tommy Jones is a Gamecock fan...are you???

We shall now refer a 4-bagger as a hambone...Mark it down the revolution has started!


I know its not intentionally done but it can be avoided. I was only trying to make a point with the oiling gutter to gutter comment. If oiling the lanes is only for protection, which you originally said, why worry about laying out a pattern at all, just do runs of 1 to 1 for 40-60ft. I'm all for making the conditions tougher, you can ask anyone who knows me, but they should be consistently tough across the whole league not just 1 or 2 pairs.
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