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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: LuckyLefty on December 24, 2012, 11:22:38 PM
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Just drilled mine up after looking at it for almost 6 months on my shelves.
Lately in this house I'd been having some nice results with balls drilled stacked under the ring finger. Mostly lower and mid level balls from Rotogrip, Sonic X's, Sonic Booms, and Rising Stars. This drilling with these weaker mid core strength balls seemed to get the balls catching the midlane at about 30 feet outside on this wet dry shot. Then provided smooth strong arcs and hit on this 35 foot shot!
Thought I would try this rumored to be smooth coverstock and strong midlane core.
Because of videos I had seen and reviews I had read I decide I wanted to try to add a touch of backend. Pin a little up and less use of the flare potential. Pin up and a pin positon of 5 1/4 from my PAP.
This ball surprised me how far it pushed. With a coverstock prepared according to the info sheets like my Ulti Max the length and lack of midlane surprised me.
Then the ball like many of the reviews say and videos show slurved strongly and continously towards the pocket. Then I'd like to say SMASH, but I can't. Most moves were late leaving a flat 7.
My experience so far is a lot like this review..
by Dennis Rhodes. Very similar, not enough midlane.
http://www.ballreviews.com/brunswick/loaded-revolver-t1126.0.html
so hear are my questions
1. how come this ball is so much longer than the C System Ultimax with similar drilling and listed same surface presentation.
2. Why does this ball move so smoothly off the dry(I have never had a pearl read so smoothly)
3. To move the break a little earlier, would you just let the track dig in a little bit? Or would you add surface? Or would you add a midlane inducing weight hole.
4. Will more grit still allow the ball to smooth when sensing dry?
Regards.
Luckylefty
PS Thanks Brunswick experts
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Mine was drilled pin down. On fresh conditions I ended up using some grit as I recall. Usually 500, then polish. I could use the ball (like most pearls) a little closer to friction, but it would just be strong and smooth, which is a plus in my opinion. Balls that "jerk" off the dry are too hot/cold for my taste.
My other option was to remove any shine (maybe 2000-ish) and make a small inward and away from the friction. The ball handled more oil than ever, and hit very hard. (Think roll like a solid, but finish and hit like a pearl.) Overall, the Loaded was one of my favorites due to it's versatility.
I'd always recommend tweaking the cover to fit your needs first. If you can move in, then a little surface may be the ticket. On a 35 foot shot the ball might be strong enough to burn up for slower speeds when playing too close to friction.
I'd not be afraid to add the surface, move in (perhaps 3-5 boards with the feet and 1-2 with target), and let the head oil create the skid for you. As long as you can get adequate "skid" the ball should open up for you. I wish I could still throw mine, but after it was discontinued, I gave it to a friend, who is amazed at it's strength, too. It's almost too strong for him.
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NotClay,
Thanks for the ideas...I usually have a little problem with all pearls until they track in. I am surprised how smooth this ball is off the dry compared to other pearls.
Fascinated with this coverstock. Leaning towards the surface change you recommend.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS my roll looks just like this video link below but the ball is going straight in it's trajectory to almost the 30 foot mark instead of starting its midlane right after the arrows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEAr2XWzOVg
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Check your flare rings. They may be a little too close. This would also cause some of the issues you are seeing A low weight hole would solve that problem for you.
I agree with Notclay about added a little surface. If it seems that the ball is turning the corner nad just not hitting, then I would suggest a little polish to help add angle downlane.
Hope all this helps... This was one of my favorites for a while.
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I've set the ball up to take a MO Rich Weighthole. Anywhere from P1 to P4 down below. A little side, A little Thumb, a bit of Top before the hole.
Plenty of reaction, (bigger reaction than my Pin under ring Rising Star which is a Stiking Star in this house(Carumba), just starting a foot or 2 late.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS anyone understand why this coverstock has so much less reaction to dry than the CSystem Ulti Max with the same finish?
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If I recall this ball had the same cover as the Wicked Siege which was quite a bit stronger down the lane
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First, if ball the isn't turning the corner then I would suggest a bit of polish. You may need to move a tick left to get the ball back to the pocket. If you want to keep the strength where it is, then I would suggest adding a P3 hole. This will get the ball to slow down a bit sooner.
Second, This ball has a low RG core. It really wasn't designed to be "flippy". The Ulti Max was designed to be cleaner and more angular than what the Loaded Revolver was intended for. The two could go well to compliment each other.
Hope this helps and answers your questions. If not, let me know.
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The Wicked Siege is by far my favorite ball made. Have 3 sitting back just for a rainy day. Had my first Ultimax drilled idential to one of my Wicked Sieges. The Ultimax read the lane sooner and started hooking much faster then the WS. The WS was much cleaner through the lane and much more angular off the spot down lane.
I have three WS currently drilled.
One pin up 65 x 5.25 x 35 at box,
one pin down 65 x 5.25 x 60 at 1000 grit
and the last 55 x 4.25 x 40 at box finish. Makes a great arsenal for a lot of conditions.
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Great input above.
Yes this ball is powerfully swerving with it's strong rounded move towards the hole.
Just a touch later than my ideal matchup, my pin down Rotogrip Rising Star.
Baer, I have set up for a MoRich weighthole and was thinking of the P2.5 hole or P3 hole as you mentioned.
Going to take another practice session trying a 1 and 1 parallel move left or watch and see if this cover bites in with use before any changes, or maybe we had a little more au jus on the lanes due to the upcoming Christmas day closing break.
Impressed with the push and cleanliness of this coverstock and smooth reaction off a usually unplayable wet dry for pearls early in sessions Powerful smooth driving core. If tweaks don't make this work, I could see me with another of the same with a drilling change really tearing up this shot!
Regards,
Luckylefty
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I have two Loaded Revolvers and two Wicked Sieges. I love the Propel X cover for it's cleanliness and it's consistency in reaction when it hits friction. For my Propel X isn't the strongest cover out there, but it blends the wet dry with a strong enough move (not a jerk) on all types of lane surfaces. I've thrown both on all lane surfaces in the past year and although my bowling is very limited, I haven't had the need to throw anything else except those two balls. They're just that good and consistent.
I would agree that to get a more pronounced hook out of the Loaded Revolver that you do have to go with a stronger pin placement and a little more surface. After about the 10-20 game break in period, I did notice much more strength out of the Loaded Revolver. Everything else is up to you though.
A lot of bowlers drill a ball with per-conceived notions of what they want the ball to do. In order to be successful, what it all boils down to is getting the right reaction shape in order for you to score. I'd love to stand 40 and send it to 3 at 40 feet and watch a ball peel off the spot. It looks impressive, but I understand that doesn't mean that I'm going to score with it all the time.
This cover is great for pushing down lane to that "spot" and coming off of it with a strong arc. When you have to play smaller angles through the front is when I see the Loaded Revolver being an excellent ball. The Wicked Siege with it's stronger core can give off much more angle than the Medium-High-R.G./Low-Medium Diff Jack Core. The two compliment each other well.
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Would love to see the cover used again. Maybe it will eventually end up in the Karma series like the Activator+
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DP and Kid thanks for the comments.
Oh, my Ulti Max out of box did the 20 to 3 thing, but Frankly I am thinking of weakening the surface.
My loaded is being played on the straighter angles that I am now using with my Sonic X solid. Like 11 to 6.
This ball is going a little longer than my polished Sonic X but slurving more powerfully from it's breakpoint farther down lane but just a touch late.
I think it will be Ok after the track in period but like the ideas presented here to fix.
I'm talking a couple of feet less and maybe an inch higher in the pocket. It could be incredible! I'll soon know.
Regards,
Lucklefty
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Update and question!
Ball is smooth! My track is a lefties version of Billy O in his videos on Brunswick site.
Instead of 3rd arrow I am swinging a lefty line of 11 to 4 and 5. This thing smoothly starts motoring and walks it's way solidly with a slow to moderate response to friction.
Now that the track is taking in the ball I've had multiple good strings with it! Problem with it as soon as carrydown starts to show, my usual moves to the left of small amounts go high and then some. I don't find this with most of the other lower flaring equipment I am using (usually rotogrip stuff of HP 2 and down).
Any ideas(I have not added the weight hole yet and ball is legal with thumb weight).
It seems an away launch angle perspective is always needed. Tightening up the angles does not seem to work for me on this ball. I am thinking of moving up, or parallel only moves to the outside?
Any thoughts on this ball.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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"Problem with it as soon as carrydown starts to show, my usual moves to the left of small amounts go high and then some."
So before you move back left it isn't making it to the pocket and when you move left some it goes too high?
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Kid,
You nailed it. I flush , then flush, then flush, but all of a sudden ping a flat one, left move goes high unlike weaker core balls in my arsenal.
I tried moving back yesterday on same walking path at the suggestion of one of our high levels in the house and that seemed to reflush and carry.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I'm open to other ideas as I am intrigued by this balls smooth move!
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"You nailed it. I flush , then flush, then flush, but all of a sudden ping a flat one, left move goes high unlike weaker core balls in my arsenal.
I tried moving back yesterday on same walking path at the suggestion of one of our high levels in the house and that seemed to reflush and carry."
So then you have your answer
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Buddies has a bunch of these left for $69.99. Killer deal if you have a hookup on cheap drilling.
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Distributors have them for $49 if you can order them. I loaded up on Wicked Sieges for $65. Great covers