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dizzyfugu

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Mexico quality issue
« on: August 05, 2007, 06:42:32 PM »
I am posting this here since it is about Brunswick as ball manufacturer. I just got my Awesome Finish a couple of days ago (from the Mexico plant), and the surface got me worried and I'd like to know if others have this phenomenon with other Brunswick balls in the last couple of weeks/months (say, since April).

My AFi came with pretty looks, even surface, but the engravings - very large on Morich equipment - and their filler material noticeably protruded from the surface. I did not pay much attention to it at first, since I know this phenomenon from resurfacing at home on the spinner. But after first ball tests on oilier shots I found the ball to be very inconsistent at the break point, and I blame it on the lack of traction due to the (too) thick OOB engravings which are so large that they are always in the track area.

I started "shaving" them back manually and gave the ball a light resurfacing to even the surface out (green pad, then 1.500 grit pad and finally polish, all 4-sided). Doing so, I also found air bubbles in the coverstock material right under the original surface - Small in size, only cosmetical, but I never had this on any ball before?

Somehow I have the feeling that Brunswick's production quality is on the decline.

Take this post as a minor rant, but I'd like to know if others have similar recent experience?
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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2007, 05:43:07 PM »
The Uraniums I have were made in the USA.

To this point, I like the stuff coming out of Mexico. The colors are more vibrant, and the equipment seems stronger in oil.
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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2007, 05:45:36 PM »
Coverstocks smell stronger too, I nearly get a resin contact high.

PK18 smells PowerKoil-ish
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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2007, 08:27:50 PM »
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I'm not bashing on brunswicks move to Mexico, its just a fact that Mexico has low quality control in nearly everything they make. CheAp labor equals cheap products in most cases. You dont see Mercedes Benz being made Mexico or any other country that produces low quality items. The reason is Merceds is high quality...like brunswick USE TO BE. The popularity of Ebonite / Hammer is on the rise for a reason, they are producing a better, higher quality product.
Not bashing? Dude every word that you just typed is absurd and rediculous.
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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2007, 09:19:05 PM »
Truth,

  The curring time has been increased in order to allow the ball to settle before engraving is done, thus, the raised engraving problem has been solved.

 Believe me folks, we're seeing way less warranty returns these past 6-8 months than we ever did in the previous 3 years I've been with Brunswick. The Mexico plant people have already solved several long-standing issues that Brunswick dealt with for years. Low cost does not always equal low quality. Lower cost manufacturing in Mexico reflects more that the cost of living is much less down there, rather than subpar quality standards.

  There will always be those that knock us for moving, more so for the enjoyment they get out of it rather than the "support U.S. jobs" kick they pretend to be on, or the anti-Brunswick attitude they had before, and still have. This move was just amunition for those folks. In reality, we're making a better all around product down there now that we're past the start-up issues. As for the delays in getting some product, we're making many of our own cores for the first time ever and that too has it's trial and error stages. The improvements in that area have made great strides in the past 4-6 months. They're just getting better and better every month.

If you want to hate, you can hate, but if you want a good product, we got it. And, we really appreciate those that have stuck by us during this transition, staying away from the belittling remarks. We also respect all of the comments that are made in a constructive manner that show true desire to help us improve. Positive AND negative feedback makes us better, I just don't understand the need to be hatin'.

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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2007, 09:42:13 PM »
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Coverstocks smell stronger too, I nearly get a resin contact high.

PK18 smells PowerKoil-ish
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Mine kinda smells like a taco

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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2007, 11:10:39 PM »
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Coverstocks smell stronger too, I nearly get a resin contact high.

PK18 smells PowerKoil-ish
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Mine kinda smells like a taco


thats about the greatest thing ive heard all day.
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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2007, 12:47:04 PM »
No company or person is perfect.  (except Mushtare)  Every company has 2nds and blems.  For every thousand balls made do you think that all of them are going to be perfect?  Storm has PRO pins, WTF is that can't they just say factory reject.  No because no one would get them.  No company is perfect so give brunswick a break.  O and when the original no mercy came out we got one in the shop i use to work at and it was already in 3 pieces when it arrived.
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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2007, 03:11:48 PM »
Unless I'm mistaken, Brunswick the company has no affiliation with the shirts therefore is not directly making money from them.  Call me crazy, but you seem to be on a witchunt.
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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2007, 03:20:54 PM »
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I am just curious where or how Brunswick lied? Please explain.


One simple word: "CGNOMADDAH"
And then trying to justify it with a fixed video and a fake graphical chart.
And continuing it with continued sales of "CGNOMADDAH" shirts.

I think of it more as a smart marketing ploy by Nick. Start a CGNOMADDAH feud and then all of the sudden he has CGNOMADDAH shirts for sale, lol.

Rray, maybe you misread where Ric asked about Brunswick, not Brunsnick...

Brunswick the company had nothing to do with him decided personally to cash in on a stupid Internet trend by selling shirts.

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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #25 on: August 09, 2007, 03:41:23 PM »
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We're approaching a record here for idiot posts by people with 0 credibility or knowledge.
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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2007, 03:58:29 PM »
Here is the bottom line. The initial post is about some minor quality concerns that dizzy has. It appears that it would be a hit and miss thing similar to all companies and the real quality does not appear to be a concern.

Now as far as Brunswick "Mexico" is concerned. Business is Business. However, I would have been glad to pay an extra $20 bucks for a stupid bowling ball if it would have kept those employees employed. But I am only one person and to take on Ebonite you have to have the best product for the best price and hope everyone signs up.

Since I am only one person, I will not buy a ball from any line of Brunswick unless it is made in the USA. Until recently, I did throw Brunswick (or Lane 1 equipment) and matched up to them really well. However, I will not bash Brunswick for moving to Mexico either. The real problem is the consumers make it to where they have to move their plant there for cost reasons so they can compete with other companies. If every American that likes Brunswick decided to not buy a Brunswick ball for at least 1 year (or until Brunswick agrees to move the plant back to the US), I GUARANTEE that the plant in Michigan or another one in the US would be reopened for business as it would be too costly for them to stay in Mexico.
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MegaMav

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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2007, 04:04:22 PM »
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And this qualifies you as an expert numbnuts?

Graduate of University at Albany
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Bachelor of Arts Psychology

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They're called bachelor degrees, 2 more than you'll ever come close to.
and if you want to turn this into a **** waiving contest, yes thats my THS average for last year, approx 12 pins above yours.

your lack of knowledge is shown everytime you post with your signature.
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you're a clown, and the biggest loud mouth on this site with 0 knowledge.
You spew out garbage that was said by others and for the most part have no idea what any of it means.

Its too bad this 27 year old has more maturity and mass between the ears than you, a 40+ year old never-was.

Dont attack Brunswick.
Dont attack BrunsNick.
Dont bother posting.

In fact, let me make you a simple checklist.

1. Back away from the keyboard.
2. Turn off the monitor.
3. Turn off the computer.
4. Unplug it.
5. Load computer into your car.
6. Drive to the nearest bridge/river.
7. Step to the edge with computer parts.
8. Toss.
9. Try not to fall in with it.

These simple steps will make this site a better place.
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Edited on 8/9/2007 10:17 PM

BrunsNick

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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2007, 04:23:58 PM »
LOL MegaMav! Post of the year.
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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #29 on: August 09, 2007, 04:37:56 PM »
LoL, keep going, I wanna see the vein on his forehead pop!
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MegaMav

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Re: Mexico quality issue
« Reply #30 on: August 09, 2007, 04:40:26 PM »
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LoL, keep going, I wanna see the vein on his forehead pop!


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