Post by: dizzyfugu on August 05, 2007, 06:42:32 PM
My AFi came with pretty looks, even surface, but the engravings - very large on Morich equipment - and their filler material noticeably protruded from the surface. I did not pay much attention to it at first, since I know this phenomenon from resurfacing at home on the spinner. But after first ball tests on oilier shots I found the ball to be very inconsistent at the break point, and I blame it on the lack of traction due to the (too) thick OOB engravings which are so large that they are always in the track area.
I started "shaving" them back manually and gave the ball a light resurfacing to even the surface out (green pad, then 1.500 grit pad and finally polish, all 4-sided). Doing so, I also found air bubbles in the coverstock material right under the original surface - Small in size, only cosmetical, but I never had this on any ball before?
Somehow I have the feeling that Brunswick's production quality is on the decline.
Take this post as a minor rant, but I'd like to know if others have similar recent experience?
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Post by: DON DRAPER on August 06, 2007, 05:55:02 AM
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Post by: dizzyfugu on August 06, 2007, 07:10:34 AM
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Post by: adman on August 06, 2007, 08:46:58 AM
Post by: Djarum on August 06, 2007, 09:53:30 AM
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Post by: Jepp114 on August 06, 2007, 12:23:27 PM
Well I was completely wrong, Rico Answered it below, Engraved, cures, and shrinks.
Edited on 8/6/2007 5:43 PM
Post by: KDawg77 on August 06, 2007, 12:24:59 PM
I, too, take issue with the quality of Mexico.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on August 07, 2007, 04:07:42 AM
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I saw a Radical inferno in my LPS Thursday. It was NIB and I noticed that there were thick white pieces of engraving material comming out of the engraving area. When I rubbed the ball, the engraving was actually above the ball surface. I found it rather odd.
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Sounds like my Awesome Finish! After the surface work, the ball is now noticeably smoother and even on the surface. I just had not hat a chance to throw it yet, due to lots of work
I already passed the info, as Ric suggested. Thank you all for impressions and feedback!
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Post by: dizzyfugu on August 07, 2007, 10:33:30 AM
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This is the biggest joke I have ever heard. Does anybody actually think that a major ball company such as Big B would risk their reputation and turning off loyal customers as well as possible new customers by putting out sub-standard balls? Brand new plant with the latest in pouring, casting, and finishing equipment. Plus the latest and greatest inspection equipment. Because of a production locale changing, and ONLY a locale change, people are looking for fly specks in pepper (fly doo-doo in black pepper in not detectable). This needs to be put to rest once and for all.
What is newest technology good for when you either cannot control it, or other organizational flaws ruin the product? If Brunswick does TQM at Mexico, than this should[/] not happen. And it does not seem to be a singular occurrence. Fly doo-doo can ruin the day, if it is in YOUR pepper pot...
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Post by: dizzyfugu on August 08, 2007, 03:20:16 AM
My ball driller knows what he does (being a Brunswick amateur staffer), and the ball selected is exactly what I asked for - it is even a ball with a side-shifted CG that makes a perfect base for my intended drilling for a righty. Overall, the ball is O.K. and evertything I asked for, and the setup performs as planned. I am just worried about these... sluggishly finished balls slipping out into sales and into bowlers' hands where they do not perform as good as they could, and leave customers puzzled, even angry (remember the many flaming comments regarding the OOB Radical Inferno) and disappointed about the brands. High risk, and word of mouth spreads widely.
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Post by: Matt Fortney on August 08, 2007, 04:50:51 PM
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Post by: Grayson on August 08, 2007, 05:41:12 PM
The engraving is not that much of a problem but I always have a problem with those filled engravings as they always stand up from the normal coverstock. /on my Tsunami and on my BCB and both are also brunswick produced and the BCB is old.. really old)
Imho the mexcian plant lacks a good quality controll as I heard from others that there were:
Pins set wrong (Brunsnick wrote he had a Solid uranium where the pin was wiered...)
CGs labeled wrong (on ball and once on a box it sad 2-3 and it was actually a 4.3 pin! I was a bit sad about that)
Coverstock problems like air inclusions (and I talk not about little bubbles but a long and deep nick from such an inclusion that was set free during the process if grinding the ball into shape and polishing on my Cobalt I sold and I have a smaller on on my H2O)
I had some problems also with my Tsunami (original Brunswick plant) with those fillings on the engraving being full with airbubbles but the coverstock was ok...so also no problem there just cosmetically..
But maybe I got 2nd hand balls as I am German and not likly to complain and send the balls back? Dunno...
I also heard people here complain that we in europe get more of the "not so good" stuff... but I just don't want to believe that.
Whatever...
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 08, 2007, 05:43:07 PM
To this point, I like the stuff coming out of Mexico. The colors are more vibrant, and the equipment seems stronger in oil.
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Post by: MegaMav on August 08, 2007, 05:45:36 PM
PK18 smells PowerKoil-ish
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Post by: REVerse on August 08, 2007, 08:27:50 PM
quote:Not bashing? Dude every word that you just typed is absurd and rediculous.
I'm not bashing on brunswicks move to Mexico, its just a fact that Mexico has low quality control in nearly everything they make. CheAp labor equals cheap products in most cases. You dont see Mercedes Benz being made Mexico or any other country that produces low quality items. The reason is Merceds is high quality...like brunswick USE TO BE. The popularity of Ebonite / Hammer is on the rise for a reason, they are producing a better, higher quality product.
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Post by: BrunsBob on August 08, 2007, 09:19:05 PM
The curring time has been increased in order to allow the ball to settle before engraving is done, thus, the raised engraving problem has been solved.
Believe me folks, we're seeing way less warranty returns these past 6-8 months than we ever did in the previous 3 years I've been with Brunswick. The Mexico plant people have already solved several long-standing issues that Brunswick dealt with for years. Low cost does not always equal low quality. Lower cost manufacturing in Mexico reflects more that the cost of living is much less down there, rather than subpar quality standards.
There will always be those that knock us for moving, more so for the enjoyment they get out of it rather than the "support U.S. jobs" kick they pretend to be on, or the anti-Brunswick attitude they had before, and still have. This move was just amunition for those folks. In reality, we're making a better all around product down there now that we're past the start-up issues. As for the delays in getting some product, we're making many of our own cores for the first time ever and that too has it's trial and error stages. The improvements in that area have made great strides in the past 4-6 months. They're just getting better and better every month.
If you want to hate, you can hate, but if you want a good product, we got it. And, we really appreciate those that have stuck by us during this transition, staying away from the belittling remarks. We also respect all of the comments that are made in a constructive manner that show true desire to help us improve. Positive AND negative feedback makes us better, I just don't understand the need to be hatin'.
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Post by: laneman on August 08, 2007, 09:42:13 PM
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Coverstocks smell stronger too, I nearly get a resin contact high.
PK18 smells PowerKoil-ish
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Mine kinda smells like a taco
Post by: lsf_21 on August 08, 2007, 11:10:39 PM
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Coverstocks smell stronger too, I nearly get a resin contact high.
PK18 smells PowerKoil-ish
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Mine kinda smells like a taco
thats about the greatest thing ive heard all day.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on August 09, 2007, 03:20:54 PM
quote:quote:
I am just curious where or how Brunswick lied? Please explain.
One simple word: "CGNOMADDAH"
And then trying to justify it with a fixed video and a fake graphical chart.
And continuing it with continued sales of "CGNOMADDAH" shirts.
I think of it more as a smart marketing ploy by Nick. Start a CGNOMADDAH feud and then all of the sudden he has CGNOMADDAH shirts for sale, lol.
Rray, maybe you misread where Ric asked about Brunswick, not Brunsnick...
Brunswick the company had nothing to do with him decided personally to cash in on a stupid Internet trend by selling shirts.
Post by: MegaMav on August 09, 2007, 03:41:23 PM
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We're approaching a record here for idiot posts by people with 0 credibility or knowledge.
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Post by: kens101 on August 09, 2007, 03:58:29 PM
Now as far as Brunswick "Mexico" is concerned. Business is Business. However, I would have been glad to pay an extra $20 bucks for a stupid bowling ball if it would have kept those employees employed. But I am only one person and to take on Ebonite you have to have the best product for the best price and hope everyone signs up.
Since I am only one person, I will not buy a ball from any line of Brunswick unless it is made in the USA. Until recently, I did throw Brunswick (or Lane 1 equipment) and matched up to them really well. However, I will not bash Brunswick for moving to Mexico either. The real problem is the consumers make it to where they have to move their plant there for cost reasons so they can compete with other companies. If every American that likes Brunswick decided to not buy a Brunswick ball for at least 1 year (or until Brunswick agrees to move the plant back to the US), I GUARANTEE that the plant in Michigan or another one in the US would be reopened for business as it would be too costly for them to stay in Mexico.
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Post by: MegaMav on August 09, 2007, 04:04:22 PM
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And this qualifies you as an expert numbnuts?
Graduate of University at Albany
Bachelor of Arts Computer Science
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Age: 27
Average: 209 (THS)
They're called bachelor degrees, 2 more than you'll ever come close to.
and if you want to turn this into a **** waiving contest, yes thats my THS average for last year, approx 12 pins above yours.
your lack of knowledge is shown everytime you post with your signature.
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you're a clown, and the biggest loud mouth on this site with 0 knowledge.
You spew out garbage that was said by others and for the most part have no idea what any of it means.
Its too bad this 27 year old has more maturity and mass between the ears than you, a 40+ year old never-was.
Dont attack Brunswick.
Dont attack BrunsNick.
Dont bother posting.
In fact, let me make you a simple checklist.
1. Back away from the keyboard.
2. Turn off the monitor.
3. Turn off the computer.
4. Unplug it.
5. Load computer into your car.
6. Drive to the nearest bridge/river.
7. Step to the edge with computer parts.
8. Toss.
9. Try not to fall in with it.
These simple steps will make this site a better place.
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 09, 2007, 04:23:58 PM
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 09, 2007, 04:37:56 PM
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Post by: MegaMav on August 09, 2007, 04:40:26 PM
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LoL, keep going, I wanna see the vein on his forehead pop!
<static weight flies everywhere>
Post by: directdrill on August 09, 2007, 04:41:15 PM
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Bulletin to all:
Fk Brunswick
Fk BrunsNick
Fk Megamav
Fk rapture
Fk anyone who agrees with them
Fk anyone who doesn't like me or my opinion
Is that plain enough english and simple enough for all to understand?
I'm RRay and I approve this message..................................
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Post by: BrunsNick on August 09, 2007, 04:42:19 PM
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Post by: Joe Jr on August 09, 2007, 05:00:56 PM
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Post by: REVerse on August 09, 2007, 05:43:45 PM
quote:Looks like I struck a nerve. That makes me so happy. Mission accomplished! (-yawns and stretches- mmm that coffee sure smells good-)
Everything I typed is absurd? What is absurd about saying Mexico has low quality control? Its a fact. Look at Mexicos exports...is anything top notch? The answer is NO, Everything is done on the cheap. I think you are absurd in thinking that everything Brunswick makes is A#1 and a ball that comes out of Mexico is going to be just as good as one coming out United States is rediculous. Ray, wake up, smell the coffee...Mexico is 3rd world and cannot produce the quality that is produced here. Its that simple.
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Post by: Powermachine- on August 09, 2007, 07:07:50 PM
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Post by: WSUstroker on August 09, 2007, 08:27:10 PM
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I came across these letters on google, thought I'd forward them to you via public forum.
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RRay,
Stop using me.
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End me as soon as possible.
Sincerely,
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Post by: MegaMav on August 09, 2007, 10:14:15 PM
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Aren't there any moderators on this board that can send RRay to the corner for a while. I don't know the guy and I am embarrassed for him.
This site is a family friendly site. The comments made by RRAY call for instant account banning.
Please ban RRAY as stated in the rules of this site.
Thankyou.
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And let me put it to you in simple english @##wipe. Kiss my @##. You are nothing but a loudmouth little Scotia NY punk b i t c h...............
Nothing but another wannabe bad@## running your diksuker from the safety of your computer......................
Oh I have 2 bachelors degrees, I'm bad, I'm the smartest and everybody else is and idiot, ROFLMAO................................
The only dik waving around here is the one in your face with the balls bouncing off your chin punk.................
Please take action.
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Post by: dizzyfugu on August 10, 2007, 07:41:32 AM
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