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MegaMav

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Brunswick Asymmetric Layout Help
« on: February 19, 2006, 03:46:44 AM »
i guess ill post this in the brunswick forum, i got no help in misc. and you guys know brunswick asymmetrics.

its an insite almighty, brunswick warp zone core with lighter load deep violet zone pro particle cover.

just copy and paste the links

http://members.fortunecity.com/megamav/insite1.jpg
http://members.fortunecity.com/megamav/insite2.jpg

i was looking for length with a strong arc(not snap) to the pocket.
some of these asymmetrical layout charts from morich are confusing.

https://www.buddiesproshop.com/36/Asymetrical_Layout_Guide.htm

based on the PIN to PAP and MB to PAP, Mo Pinel says its forward roll.
i personally dont see how thats possible with the PIN and MB locations.

let me know what this bad boy will do before its drilled.

looking to play the middle on a medium oiled christmas tree pattern, ive got med-low revs typically, closer to medium i'd say, than low.

Eric


Edited on 2/19/2006 8:13 PM

 

MegaMav

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Re: Brunswick Asymmetric Layout Help
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2006, 06:00:22 PM »
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anyone have an idea?

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Re: Brunswick Asymmetric Layout Help
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2006, 06:23:15 PM »
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just copy and paste the links

http://members.fortunecity.com/megamav/insite1.jpg
http://members.fortunecity.com/megamav/insite2.jpg

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There you go now they work...LOL
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Re: Brunswick Asymmetric Layout Help
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2006, 10:45:20 PM »
I didn't look at the links.  But, I had a Time Zone, 5" pin to pap(pin under bridge), with the psa on my val.  Flare increasing hole pitched away from center of grip.  Long, with good backend, but a very controllable one.
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Re: Brunswick Asymmetric Layout Help
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2006, 10:54:39 PM »
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I didn't look at the links.  But, I had a Time Zone, 5" pin to pap(pin under bridge), with the psa on my val.  Flare increasing hole pitched away from center of grip.  Long, with good backend, but a very controllable one.


I've been using 5" pin-to-PAP distances myself in the asym Zones, with an LL angle of 60 degrees.  Nice strong move without being too jerky in back.
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Re: Brunswick Asymmetric Layout Help
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2006, 02:35:49 AM »
Well, it is not from a Brunswick ball, but from a similar ball: I have an XXcel (see my review), a 15 lbs. 2 oz. ball with 3 3/4 oz. top weight before drilling. It is a 3 3/4" pin-out, with the CG kicked out 1 1/2“ to the left from the direct line between pin and BOMB due to some odd core placement.

All in all, my Xxcel received a drilling similar to Ebonite's standard pattern #4, adjusted for more length with the pin above the fingers: Pin at 4 1/2" from PAP and directly at 1:00 above the ring finger hole (works great fo me).
CG ended up in direct line below the ring finger hole, 1/2“ to the right of the midlane/grip center. The BOMB/MB marker was placed 2“ away at 4:00 from the thumb hole, effectively in a strong position at ~75° from PAP. Due to the CG shift inside of the ball to the left, no X-hole was necessary to keep the ball legal. Looks like this:
 
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* = Pin
# = CG
b = MB BOMB marker

This gives me bvery good length and a late, booming back end after about 40' or so on medium to medium-oily shots.

The Almighty (and the first asym. Zone cores) have a higher RG than the Scalien core from the Xcel balls, but a similar asym. RG diff. This drilling should be something that should work for you if you have similar style specs like me (check my profile, pls.). Hope this helps a bit?

Additionally, you can check out Brunswick's website in the pro shop area. There are older drilling sheets, among them the Warp Zoen and Time Zone which use the Almighty's core. They are rather vague, but they provide basic setup instructions for this type of ball. Nevertheless, pin above ring and MB at 60-75° from your PAP should give the reaction you are looking for.

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Edited on 2/20/2006 4:17 AM
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MegaMav

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Re: Brunswick Asymmetric Layout Help
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2006, 07:58:42 AM »
dizzy,

that sounds great, i think im going to keep this layout then.
you're similar to me, i usually have a touch more speed.
i think with the pin about 3½" from PAP and the MB to PAP at 4", this thing will roll pretty heavy, but not jump off the tracks at the break, due to the mass bias being 2½ away from the thumb.
im getting it drilled up this afternoon, will update.

if anyone else has an opinion on the layout in the links, please post it, ill be checking this site throughout the day, im getting it drilled around 4.

Eric

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Re: Brunswick Asymmetric Layout Help
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2006, 08:03:06 AM »
Yeah, drill it a touch stronger than my XXcel (pin closer to PAP as mine, maybe 4" or even a 3 3/8") and you should be fine. Good luck, and let us know what happened!
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Re: Brunswick Asymmetric Layout Help
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2006, 12:05:41 AM »
*********************UPDATE**********************

well, i changed my mind on the layout, because IMO it would have been only suitable for longer patterns, otherwise, rollout city.

so after some thought and looking at the brunswick drill sheet, i came up with a solution.

the layout ended up being 5" PIN to PAP (above ring finger) and 4¼" MB to PAP.

i threw the ball, and it was a hook-set reaction.
which is surprising, considering i got it drilled with the MB between hook-set and sharp break point. my and my ball drillers interpretation of that would be strong arc.

so i rolled with it for 2 games 180-193, then busted out my combat zone tracer for a stronger reaction and went 192-213.

i came home and put the almighty on my ball spinner, i used track's clean n' polish on it first, then used brunswick factory polish, to see if i can get a stronger backend out of it.

ill take it out again tomorrow on a synthetic house shot to see how the polish takes.

heres a picture of the layout (once again copy and paste into address bar)
http://members.fortunecity.com/megamav/insite3.jpg

will update again tomorrow afternoon.