Author Topic: Goliath (Read 4011 times)

Strapper_Squared · « **on:** March 23, 2005, 05:17:01 AM »

Alright everyone... my new goliath came in last night and just happened to have a 5" pin... 3.3 oz top. I looked at it for a while and they the layout hit me... The patrick girard layout from a few weeks ago:
http://www.brunswickinsiders.com/PBATour/PBATournaments/Westbabylon/wbballimages/girardabsolute.jpg

I bowl in one house with synthetic lanes, and lots of oil. I have some trouble getting a consistant break point there... nothing seems to want to start uo early enough... I tried various layouts, including a 315 degree layout (which didn't seem to have enough backend to carry), without much success. This layout sounded perfect.. early revs, heavy roll, best for playing a straighter line to the pocket (this house is notorious for carrying best playing down the boards).

I layed the goliath out with the cg about 3/4" above and 1/4" left of my thumb, pin was below at roughly 7 o'clock position. Distance from pin to negative axis point was 4.5". I checked that a line drawn from the pin to my PAP passed approx 2" below the bottom edge of where my thumb hole would be (as per recommendations). I drilled the fingers a little shallower than normal, and the thumb a little deeper than normal. Based upon the center of grip, the ball ended with 3/8oz negative side and actually 1/4oz finger weight.

I took the ball out to the lanes for a fresh shot. I immediatedly noticed a different reaction than I had seen previously. The ball actually read the early mids and got into a strong roll. I was able to throw anywhere from the 3rd arrow out and have the ball recover and hit strongly. Anything deeper than 3rd arrow yielded little to no ball reaction and poor hit. I'm not sure if this reaction was due to the aggressive surface of the goliath or the layout (although I would suspect its a combination of the two).

My bowtie ended up being located very close to the thumb, just left... so I would suggest anyone with a higher track to go beyond the 1.5" recommendation to 2" below the line from the pin to your PAP. I got about 4" of flare with this layout... most of which is up front.

Overall very nice, but different looking reaction. Definitely useful on a variety of conditions.

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Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:33:30 PM »

Here is a photo of the layout (stupid other proshop guys can never leave the router height alone...)
Photo:
http://photos.yahoo.com/sberkhous

I'm giving the ball a coat of elixir as is seems to REALLY be attracted to dirt and oil... picks it up like a sponge, and going to throw it some more tonight...

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BAPS_Eric · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2005, 02:55:12 PM »

Glad you like your Goliath.....I used to love mine then I got more equipment and it just sits there saying "I know you want to throw me, come on pick me up and throw me dammit, I feel so alone."
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Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2005, 09:27:40 AM »

Threw it in league last night.. 712... Had front six both of the first two games...had a remote shot at 800 going into the last game, but was too lazy to change balls... heads started to dry up and the goliath was just burning up too much energy up front... it would still make it to the pocket, but really started leaving a bunch of corner pins...
Overll on the fresh shot, this ball really performed well.

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agroves · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2005, 10:04:12 AM »

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What would a PG do with this drill. Stats in profile.

The PG has a 4" pin.

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agroves · « **Reply #5 on:** March 24, 2005, 10:08:44 AM »

Heres a pic:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/a_groves77/detail?.dir=553e&.dnm=cd9b.jpg

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TheDude · « **Reply #6 on:** March 24, 2005, 10:37:05 AM »

I've been waiting for someone to use this layout and see what it does. I'm very Glad to see that it works and the results were good.

Seems this layout causes the ball to roll out incredibley fast.

ouch about someone playing with the router, not pretty looking.
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Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #7 on:** March 24, 2005, 11:35:37 AM »

quote:
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What would a PG do with this drill. Stats in profile.

The PG has a 4" pin.

Andrew

Depending on your PAP location, it may be tough using a 4" pin. I think I read somewhere a recommended 4.5" pin plus... The problem is that you need to put the pin far enough below your thumb hole to allow a line (from pin to PAP) to pass 1.5" to 2" below your thumb. With a shorter pin, the cg is going to be very close, if not inside) your thumb. Then you have some issues getting legal static weights. But it could possibly work for you...

I would imagine a power groove with this layout would roll well too. I think the particle one would roll similar to the goliath... Probably get a little more length and backend from one of the pearls or solids, although its still going to be fairly arcy.... I noticed that then entire time I have thrown this ball, I have yet to leave an 8 or 9 pin, which I normally leave quite frequently. I think it is the controlled backend that goes a little straighter through the pins...

I would like to use this layout on a medium condition ball... I htink it would give great carry as well.

Yes, agreed w/ the dude. This layout seems to get the ball into a roll much earlier than other layouts I have ever used... the ball starts up quick. This seems to give a nice entery angle into the pocket...
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Edited on 3/25/2005 9:05 AM

agroves · « **Reply #8 on:** March 24, 2005, 02:44:36 PM »

Thank you. Maybe I'll just sell it.

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Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2005, 09:38:58 AM »

Second league night with this ball. Currently it is giving me my best reaction out of anything I own (nemesis, absolute, khameleon, apocalypse, banshee, etc)...
Started out with the front 10, Got a little pumped up and threw the 11th a touch fast and left a 4-8. Chopped the 4 for a solid 287. Next game throw front 6, spare, couple more, spare, and another spare for 248. Again for the second week in a row, I have a shot at 800..... at the end of the second game, it was starting to dry up a little, so I decided to move outside to look for a little oil... threw a decent shot the first frame of the last game, but it came a little high and I left a 4-9 (got to love twister pins). Open in the first... throw the next 7... (need 9th and 10th for 800)... run just a touch high in the 9th and leave a 4 pin... left a 10 pin in the tenth.. shoot 247 for a 782 series... not terrible. Left 2 4 pins, a 4-8, a 4-9 and a 10 pin for the night.

I have to say... I love this ball!

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BigHorhn · « **Reply #10 on:** April 04, 2005, 12:53:44 PM »

This sound like a layout that I would like. I am thinking about a Goliath for my flood ball. I am left handed, I track high and I pretty much play outside up the boards. I noticed in your profile that you track high also, how is it that this layout doesn't run over the finger holes/thumb? Also, do you need a clean backend for this ball to be effective? Thanks.

Bjaardker · « **Reply #11 on:** April 04, 2005, 02:19:48 PM »

Strapper,

I'm a medium-low rev stroke, high track, looking for something to open up the lanes for me a bit on the 40-45' wet sport shot (2:1 top hat) they are using at my house.

Would this layout with this ball work for a guy like me? Or if this layout isn't for me, would the goliath be a decent choice?

I'm currently using a Lane#1 Blue Carbide with a label drill on this shot & it's just not giving me the entry angle I need to carry even going straight up the 5.

Strapper_Squared · « **Reply #12 on:** April 04, 2005, 05:34:30 PM »

hey guys. Let me try my best (based on my experience) to answer your ?'s

BigHorhn:

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I track high and I pretty much play outside up the boards. I noticed in your profile that you track high also, how is it that this layout doesn't run over the finger holes/thumb? Also, do you need a clean backend for this ball to be effective?

By placing the pin below your midline, it forces the ball to flare in a reverse fashion... so it actually flares towards your thumb and away from the fingers. that eliminates the fingers. By following the suggestion posted on here by BrunsRicH (placing the pin in such a position (low enough) that a line drawn from the pin to your positive axis point passes 1.5" below the thumb), this causes the flare bowtie to be shifted downwards far enough to miss your thumb. For me the bow tie was shifted to end up right next to my thumb hole (where with a regular layout, it is close to my fingers normally). So therefore, the ball tracks (flares) underneath my thumb. The only time I roll over the fingers/thumb is when I flatten out my shot and come straight up the back of the ball shooting at spares... In this case, I want the ball to go straight, so its no problem.

From what I have seen with this layout on the goliath, a clean backend isn't necessary at all. As a matter of fact, it really seems to be fairly insensitive to the backends in general. I'm guessing this is due to both the early rolling layout and the fact that the goliath is a high load particle ball. The only thing this ball seems to need is a decent amount of head oil in order to save up enough energy to finish. When the heads start going, the ball burns up fairly quickly (likely because I have it in box finish ... 400 grit matte).

Bjaardker:

quote:

I'm a medium-low rev stroke, high track, looking for something to open up the lanes for me a bit on the 40-45' wet sport shot (2:1 top hat) they are using at my house.
Would this layout with this ball work for a guy like me? Or if this layout isn't for me, would the goliath be a decent choice?
I'm currently using a Lane#1 Blue Carbide with a label drill on this shot & it's just not giving me the entry angle I need to carry even going straight up the 5.

From what I have seen, this layout seems to work the best being played straight up the boards (or a little swing). I have played around with it a little trying to cover boards... but it just doesn't seem to recover. Again, I think this is part the layout and part the high load particle ball...neither of which is made for covering lots of boards). But if you stay playing a more direct line, this ball hits and carries exceptionally. I think this is a very good layout (and ball choice) for heavier oil...when you just need something to cover enough boards to carry. I owned a blue carbide previously, and this ball/layout is a much earlier rolling.. more of an arcing type of reaction... where my blue carbide was more of a medium oil... skid/hard arc reaction. Overall the goliath seems to be quite a bit stronger. I think it would work well for you on the condition you have described.

If you want a more angular type of reaction, I might looking into one of the stronger solid resin balls with a stacked leverage layout (ultimate inferno, solid uranium buzzsaw, total annihilation, thing lives, rule, etc, etc).

Hope this helps,
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