Post by: mj79 on May 17, 2010, 11:43:53 AM
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Post by: charlest on May 17, 2010, 08:16:14 PM
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Post by: mj79 on May 17, 2010, 08:51:12 PM
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On Buddies website, they say it will be available on May 28th. I think it may more to do with when the distributor can get it to the pro shop. (I had originally heard May 24th.)
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yea I also heard the 18th.. either way, cant wait.. You picking one up?
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Post by: charlest on May 17, 2010, 08:54:06 PM
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 17, 2010, 08:58:57 PM
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Post by: mj79 on May 17, 2010, 09:02:37 PM
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I've got the Slingshot waiting to drill, and I'll probably be picking up one of these as well, maybe even the green/black reactive too.
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why so many light oil balls?
also what is the difference between the standard ( solid ) urethane, compared to the avalanche polished urethane? Obviously polished is a more down and in , skid/flip, but does that really matter when your not talking about reactive ?
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 17, 2010, 09:20:37 PM
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why so many light oil balls?
I do most of my good bowling with this type of equipment. With my stats, strong balls are usually NOT my friend. Most likely, I''ll have trouble keeping the green/black from being too strong for me since it is pk18.
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also what is the difference between the standard ( solid ) urethane, compared to the avalanche polished urethane?
Well, a "normal" solid urethane is pretty aggressive. It will read the lane earlier than most reactives, just not as hard as they do. The Avalanche is a PEARL urethane, which means it has the pearl additive that keeps it from reading the lane as early as a solid, plus it is polished, which will delay it even more. It can be used on SUBSTANTIALLY less oil than a solid.
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Obviously polished is a more down and in , skid/flip, but does that really matter when your not talking about reactive ?
Only if you have a condition that will allow the balls natural tendencies to come into play. With urethane, you won''t really notice tons of difference until the lanes get pretty dry. This is where you will see significant difference.
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Edited on 5/17/2010 9:21 PM
Post by: mj79 on May 17, 2010, 09:51:06 PM
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I dont have a super power shot by any means ( as you can see in the sig ) but MOST of the time, my Diamondback is out after one game , the freeze 2 at most , depending on conditions, SO I think ts worth it to at least TRY a urethane , even tho people dont have a clue as to why , when THEY can use their invasion all night
#2
My bad! its still in my head that pearl and polished were the same.. So PEARL is a part of the coverstock, and The FINISH/shell/surface etc is polished.. I always thought that Pearl was polished.. durrrrrr
Im really liking the idea of a polished pearl now that I think of it, Seems like there will be a ton of options to go to for surface changes if needed.. I do want to go pin below the ring ( im thinking ) for a smoother, higher arc roll instead of a heavier backend, and if thats not enough, maybe take the surface down to a 2000..?? OR should I be thinking of drilling for a backend considering i will be able to hopefully play far to the outside where not many people have been, opposed to the highly beaten mid lane
#3
Makes sense, So is this ball basically a urethane slingshot?
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 17, 2010, 10:26:48 PM
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Ahhh, gotcha. good post
Response to
#1
I dont have a super power shot by any means ( as you can see in the sig ) but MOST of the time, my Diamondback is out after one game , the freeze 2 at most , depending on conditions, SO I think ts worth it to at least TRY a urethane , even tho people dont have a clue as to why , when THEY can use their invasion all night
My release is probably stronger than it needs to be for reactives, but I learned to bowl with a yellow dot, and after years have only been able to turn it down a little.
And, I understand COMPLETELY about watching people use aggressive balls all night, we have a house FULL of guys like that here
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#2
My bad! its still in my head that pearl and polished were the same.. So PEARL is a part of the coverstock, and The FINISH/shell/surface etc is polished.. I always thought that Pearl was polished.. durrrrrr
As I understand it, the pearlization gives the balls coverstock qualities that reduce its footprint as well as its frictional qualities, while the polish is the final finish OF THE SURFACE of the ball.
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Im really liking the idea of a polished pearl now that I think of it, Seems like there will be a ton of options to go to for surface changes if needed.. I do want to go pin below the ring ( im thinking ) for a smoother, higher arc roll instead of a heavier backend, and if thats not enough, maybe take the surface down to a 2000..?? OR should I be thinking of drilling for a backend considering i will be able to hopefully play far to the outside where not many people have been, opposed to the highly beaten mid lane
Urethane balls, by their nature, tend to be rollier and arcier than their reactive cousins. For me, that subdued reaction lets me play more direct to the pocket without having that last second over reaction. After throwing reactives, it takes a bit to get used to the fact that the urethane will look like its going high, but it holds and just flushes the rack.
Might be time to try that "RICO" that everyone seems to be talking about.
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#3
Makes sense, So is this ball basically a urethane slingshot?
Well, no, not really. The Avalanche series does have a bit better core dynamics than the Slingshot series, while the cover of the Slingshots is stronger. What I will probably do is drill the Slingshot and the urethane Avalanche alike, then use the Avalanche after the shot burns up too much for the Slingshot. I'm thinking once I burn up a track for it, the Avalanche core will be strong enough to turn the corner off the burn, but still let me stay in my comfort zone.
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Post by: mj79 on May 17, 2010, 10:51:20 PM
Our bowling center, ( for being rather brand new, very busy and with all new equiptment ) sure is skimpy on the oil and how often they use it ( ESPECIALLY for ppl like me who bought the Unlimited bowling pass for the summer ) Today I wanted to get a few games in tonight just to loosen up for leagues tomorrow, and I ended up throwing my T zone down and in the same way I throw my freeze in a flood, which is down the 5-6 and in at the end.. Well my T zone was hitting headpin and brooklyn.. I wish the owner wasnt so cheap
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Post by: J_w73 on May 17, 2010, 11:31:24 PM
So how is everyone planning on drilling theres..???
I am thinking a 5 to 5.5 inch pin to the PAP.. close to the VAL so 6 3/4 from the pin is right around the thumbhole distance. Set it up so I can pop a hole next to the thumb hole to create a little more asymmetry if I want some added pop on the backend.
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Post by: mj79 on May 17, 2010, 11:49:53 PM
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According to Tom Tomaras at Brunswick the balls should be in the distributors hands any day now. Our local one here said he will have his in on the 21st or the 28th. There is not Brunswick release date so as soon as the distributors get them they are allowed to sell them.
So how is everyone planning on drilling theres..???
I am thinking a 5 to 5.5 inch pin to the PAP.. close to the VAL so 6 3/4 from the pin is right around the thumbhole distance. Set it up so I can pop a hole next to the thumb hole to create a little more asymmetry if I want some added pop on the backend.
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Edited on 5/17/2010 11:32 PM
Well I dont have the fancy pants #s you do for your layouts
I think im just gonna try a pin below the ring.. My PAP is 4 1/2 x 3/4 down, , But would like the option for a weight hole as well if its to rolly with not enough backend ..But like Juggernaut said they do tend to have a natural arc to them already.. so Im still curious about how Im gonna drill mine
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Edited on 5/18/2010 0:21 AM
Post by: mj79 on May 18, 2010, 11:16:04 PM
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/product/7013/Seismic_Desperado_Bowling_Ball.htm
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 19, 2010, 12:09:11 AM
Ball is poured by 900G.
It is usually a pretty high priced ball as well. Probably be higher than the Avalanche.
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Post by: mj79 on May 19, 2010, 12:35:35 AM
Hmmm decisions decisions
But it does look descent tho?
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Post by: Juggernaut on May 19, 2010, 12:39:59 AM
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he said $120 drilled with slugs and tips out the door...
Hmmm decisions decisions
But it does look descent tho?
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Yea, its SUPPOSED to be a real good piece. Go to www.seismicbowling.com and click the balls link, then click the Desperado. The tech stuff is there, plus a small video of it in action.
Ryan said it was designed with the drier overseas lane conditions in mind.
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Post by: mj79 on May 19, 2010, 12:50:51 AM
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Post by: TheFreeAgent on May 19, 2010, 02:30:54 AM
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Post by: mj79 on May 19, 2010, 02:41:14 AM
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This ball is nastyyyyyyyyyy.
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nasty good or nasty bad? Or Big curve color nasty?
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Post by: kidlost2000 on May 19, 2010, 05:33:13 AM
It depends on your style and what your looking for. I have thrown the Visionary blue pearl gargoyle as well(pearl urethane) and it was a bigger hooking ball then I was expecting. Not good for the drier lanes I had hoped for. I think it is the Slate Gargoyle.
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Post by: mj79 on May 19, 2010, 09:05:45 PM
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Post by: kingpin268 on May 19, 2010, 09:09:57 PM
I'm really looking to trying the Avalanche Urethane. Looks to roll more like the Trooper, a weak urethane than the Desperado.
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Post by: qstick777 on May 19, 2010, 09:40:51 PM
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he said $120 drilled with slugs and tips out the door...
Hmmm decisions decisions
But it does look descent tho?
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$120? Must've been a freebie. Either that or your pro shop dude has a thing for you. He seems to always be offering you these "wholesale" prices. What does he normally charge for drilling?
A blank at my shop is $75 with grips and slug.
Post by: Dean Richards on May 19, 2010, 09:45:55 PM
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Post by: mj79 on May 19, 2010, 09:54:16 PM
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he said $120 drilled with slugs and tips out the door...
Hmmm decisions decisions
But it does look descent tho?
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$120? Must've been a freebie. Either that or your pro shop dude has a thing for you. He seems to always be offering you these "wholesale" prices. What does he normally charge for drilling?
A blank at my shop is $75 with grips and slug.
Haha, wtf!
naa, I buy alot of stuff there, and bring him some business
Drilling is usually $40 , $10 slug, $30/ $15 interchangables, $8 inserts
Also could be the fact he has 2 of them still in boxes..
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Post by: mj79 on May 19, 2010, 09:56:25 PM
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Seems like a dumb choice op unless u have 400 rpm and 12 mph speed to keep picking up weak balls
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I dont have ANY weak balls.. And my freeze is done after 2 games max, my DB is one.. Unless I keep moving around trying to find oil. Id rather keep close to my starting approach with a weaker ball that handles broken down lanes better..
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Post by: JessN16 on May 19, 2010, 10:19:23 PM
I think if you're building a big arsenal, these balls definitely have value. They are somewhat niche products but it's nice to see someone with a PBA license finally made a pearl urethane, so we can see it on TV next year.
Jess
Post by: mj79 on May 23, 2010, 07:23:28 PM
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Post by: Artimust on May 25, 2010, 05:37:47 PM
Post by: charlest on May 25, 2010, 06:34:39 PM
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....or Rico? Would the Avalanche Urethane be a good candidate for a Rico layout?
You're buying a ball because the lanes are too dry and you basically want length. Then why in heaven's name would you put a drilling on it that makes it hook it earlier than normal???????????
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Post by: kidlost2000 on May 25, 2010, 07:06:57 PM
My equipment that is drilled on the Rico pattern still gets plenty of length with a more controlled back end.
http://www.brunsnick.com/maxxx_zone.html
If you watch towards the end of this vid with both being shinned up the Rico is more controlled on the backend. I think it would be a good pattern to try if you've used it before.
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Post by: charlest on May 25, 2010, 08:05:06 PM
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Rico pattern doesn''t make the ball hook earlier. It depends partially on your PAP. It puts the pin at the same distance as being above your ring finger in most cases.
My equipment that is drilled on the Rico pattern still gets plenty of length with a more controlled back end.
http://www.brunsnick.com/maxxx_zone.html
If you watch towards the end of this vid with both being shinned up the Rico is more controlled on the backend. I think it would be a good pattern to try if you''ve used it before.
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It makes it hook MUCH earlier than if it were above your ring finger. That''s 90% of the premise behind the Rico drilling!!! Making the ball smoother and more controlled and that''s done because it IS earlier.
C''mon, the pin is almost 3" lower. It''s more controlled because it is so much lower. Additional flare helps it be more continuous, but not on a low flaring ball like the Avalanche.
Additionally for the majority, you''re changing the VAL angle to a drastic degree, and putting the MB almost out on the VAL itself.
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Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2010, 08:13:31 PM
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Additionally for the majority, you''re changing the VAL angle to a drastic degree, and putting the MB almost out on the VAL itself.
Incorrect, on drilled symmetric cored balls the PSA migrates toward the thumbhole.
Post by: Artimust on May 25, 2010, 09:49:04 PM
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....or Rico? Would the Avalanche Urethane be a good candidate for a Rico layout?
You're buying a ball because the lanes are too dry and you basically want length. Then why in heaven's name would you put a drilling on it that makes it hook it earlier than normal???????????
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Post by: kidlost2000 on May 25, 2010, 10:11:09 PM
With a pearl urethane ball you can drill it to roll early but that will still be relative to the balls capability. Pearl reactive or pearl urethane isn't going to start hooking out of you hand because the ball is drill pin down. It will start to hook sooner but early still not likely.
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