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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: mj79 on May 17, 2010, 11:43:53 AM
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Decided to pick one of these up.. Ive heard a few different dates for release, so can anyone tell me an exact date? Decided this over the slingshot.. I dont know why, but it just seems it would be more predictable in both roll and pocket entry.. Anyone else thinking about this one?
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On Buddies website, they say it will be available on May 28th. I think it may more to do with when the distributor can get it to the pro shop. (I had originally heard May 24th.)
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On Buddies website, they say it will be available on May 28th. I think it may more to do with when the distributor can get it to the pro shop. (I had originally heard May 24th.)
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yea I also heard the 18th.. either way, cant wait.. You picking one up?
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yes.
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I've got the Slingshot waiting to drill, and I'll probably be picking up one of these as well, maybe even the green/black reactive too.
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I've got the Slingshot waiting to drill, and I'll probably be picking up one of these as well, maybe even the green/black reactive too.
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why so many light oil balls?
also what is the difference between the standard ( solid ) urethane, compared to the avalanche polished urethane? Obviously polished is a more down and in , skid/flip, but does that really matter when your not talking about reactive ?
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why so many light oil balls?
I do most of my good bowling with this type of equipment. With my stats, strong balls are usually NOT my friend. Most likely, I''ll have trouble keeping the green/black from being too strong for me since it is pk18.
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also what is the difference between the standard ( solid ) urethane, compared to the avalanche polished urethane?
Well, a "normal" solid urethane is pretty aggressive. It will read the lane earlier than most reactives, just not as hard as they do. The Avalanche is a PEARL urethane, which means it has the pearl additive that keeps it from reading the lane as early as a solid, plus it is polished, which will delay it even more. It can be used on SUBSTANTIALLY less oil than a solid.
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Obviously polished is a more down and in , skid/flip, but does that really matter when your not talking about reactive ?
Only if you have a condition that will allow the balls natural tendencies to come into play. With urethane, you won''t really notice tons of difference until the lanes get pretty dry. This is where you will see significant difference.
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Edited on 5/17/2010 9:21 PM
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Ahhh, gotcha. good post
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I dont have a super power shot by any means ( as you can see in the sig ) but MOST of the time, my Diamondback is out after one game , the freeze 2 at most , depending on conditions, SO I think ts worth it to at least TRY a urethane , even tho people dont have a clue as to why , when THEY can use their invasion all night
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My bad! its still in my head that pearl and polished were the same.. So PEARL is a part of the coverstock, and The FINISH/shell/surface etc is polished.. I always thought that Pearl was polished.. durrrrrr
Im really liking the idea of a polished pearl now that I think of it, Seems like there will be a ton of options to go to for surface changes if needed.. I do want to go pin below the ring ( im thinking ) for a smoother, higher arc roll instead of a heavier backend, and if thats not enough, maybe take the surface down to a 2000..?? OR should I be thinking of drilling for a backend considering i will be able to hopefully play far to the outside where not many people have been, opposed to the highly beaten mid lane
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Makes sense, So is this ball basically a urethane slingshot?
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Ahhh, gotcha. good post
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I dont have a super power shot by any means ( as you can see in the sig ) but MOST of the time, my Diamondback is out after one game , the freeze 2 at most , depending on conditions, SO I think ts worth it to at least TRY a urethane , even tho people dont have a clue as to why , when THEY can use their invasion all night
My release is probably stronger than it needs to be for reactives, but I learned to bowl with a yellow dot, and after years have only been able to turn it down a little.
And, I understand COMPLETELY about watching people use aggressive balls all night, we have a house FULL of guys like that here
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My bad! its still in my head that pearl and polished were the same.. So PEARL is a part of the coverstock, and The FINISH/shell/surface etc is polished.. I always thought that Pearl was polished.. durrrrrr
As I understand it, the pearlization gives the balls coverstock qualities that reduce its footprint as well as its frictional qualities, while the polish is the final finish OF THE SURFACE of the ball.
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Im really liking the idea of a polished pearl now that I think of it, Seems like there will be a ton of options to go to for surface changes if needed.. I do want to go pin below the ring ( im thinking ) for a smoother, higher arc roll instead of a heavier backend, and if thats not enough, maybe take the surface down to a 2000..?? OR should I be thinking of drilling for a backend considering i will be able to hopefully play far to the outside where not many people have been, opposed to the highly beaten mid lane
Urethane balls, by their nature, tend to be rollier and arcier than their reactive cousins. For me, that subdued reaction lets me play more direct to the pocket without having that last second over reaction. After throwing reactives, it takes a bit to get used to the fact that the urethane will look like its going high, but it holds and just flushes the rack.
Might be time to try that "RICO" that everyone seems to be talking about.
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Makes sense, So is this ball basically a urethane slingshot?
Well, no, not really. The Avalanche series does have a bit better core dynamics than the Slingshot series, while the cover of the Slingshots is stronger. What I will probably do is drill the Slingshot and the urethane Avalanche alike, then use the Avalanche after the shot burns up too much for the Slingshot. I'm thinking once I burn up a track for it, the Avalanche core will be strong enough to turn the corner off the burn, but still let me stay in my comfort zone.
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awesome man, thanks for the help.. I usually cover quite a few boards, especially with diamondback, so hopefully like you were saying once that area gets burned up the avalanche will help me out, If not move about 5 boards right and try again, but yea especially after watching some vids on the Natural It looks VERY mild and continuous arc.
Our bowling center, ( for being rather brand new, very busy and with all new equiptment ) sure is skimpy on the oil and how often they use it ( ESPECIALLY for ppl like me who bought the Unlimited bowling pass for the summer ) Today I wanted to get a few games in tonight just to loosen up for leagues tomorrow, and I ended up throwing my T zone down and in the same way I throw my freeze in a flood, which is down the 5-6 and in at the end.. Well my T zone was hitting headpin and brooklyn.. I wish the owner wasnt so cheap Lanes are like this 3-4 days a week
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According to Tom Tomaras at Brunswick the balls should be in the distributors hands any day now. Our local one here said he will have his in on the 21st or the 28th. There is not Brunswick release date so as soon as the distributors get them they are allowed to sell them.
So how is everyone planning on drilling theres..???
I am thinking a 5 to 5.5 inch pin to the PAP.. close to the VAL so 6 3/4 from the pin is right around the thumbhole distance. Set it up so I can pop a hole next to the thumb hole to create a little more asymmetry if I want some added pop on the backend.
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Edited on 5/17/2010 11:32 PM
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According to Tom Tomaras at Brunswick the balls should be in the distributors hands any day now. Our local one here said he will have his in on the 21st or the 28th. There is not Brunswick release date so as soon as the distributors get them they are allowed to sell them.
So how is everyone planning on drilling theres..???
I am thinking a 5 to 5.5 inch pin to the PAP.. close to the VAL so 6 3/4 from the pin is right around the thumbhole distance. Set it up so I can pop a hole next to the thumb hole to create a little more asymmetry if I want some added pop on the backend.
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Edited on 5/17/2010 11:32 PM
Well I dont have the fancy pants #s you do for your layouts I think im just gonna try a pin below the ring.. My PAP is 4 1/2 x 3/4 down, , But would like the option for a weight hole as well if its to rolly with not enough backend ..
But like Juggernaut said they do tend to have a natural arc to them already.. so Im still curious about how Im gonna drill mine
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Edited on 5/18/2010 0:21 AM
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OK, Change of plans .. possibly.. I went to the pro shop today and told my driller I wanted the Avalanche urethane, and to order it up for me.. I told him everything I was looking for and to do with it, so then hes like hold on... So he goes in the back and brings out a Seismic Desperado... He said its an amazing Urethane, its a pearl , polished, and has ( in his opinion ) a better core and surface than the avalanche lines.. what do you think?
http://www.buddiesproshop.com/product/7013/Seismic_Desperado_Bowling_Ball.htm
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It is a pearl, it is assymetric so the core is stronger, and the ball has a silicone additive in the coverstock to get the reaction Seismic desired.
Ball is poured by 900G.
It is usually a pretty high priced ball as well. Probably be higher than the Avalanche.
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Edited on 5/19/2010 0:10 AM
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he said $120 drilled with slugs and tips out the door...
Hmmm decisions decisions
But it does look descent tho?
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he said $120 drilled with slugs and tips out the door...
Hmmm decisions decisions
But it does look descent tho?
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Yea, its SUPPOSED to be a real good piece. Go to www.seismicbowling.com and click the balls link, then click the Desperado. The tech stuff is there, plus a small video of it in action.
Ryan said it was designed with the drier overseas lane conditions in mind.
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WEll it MIGHT be worth a shot.. It might be tough to not get the avalanche urethane, Just seems like a really nice ball, but this desperado does have me a little interested now
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This ball is nastyyyyyyyyyy.
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This ball is nastyyyyyyyyyy.
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nasty good or nasty bad? Or Big curve color nasty?
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From what I've seen it hooks a pretty good amount. In the vids it looks like a reactive ball more then a urethane.(in terms of hook potential)
It depends on your style and what your looking for. I have thrown the Visionary blue pearl gargoyle as well(pearl urethane) and it was a bigger hooking ball then I was expecting. Not good for the drier lanes I had hoped for. I think it is the Slate Gargoyle.
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ya thats what I thought to.. It LOOKS like it hooks alot for a urethane.. Not sure if thats exactly what I want out a=of a urethane
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I ended up not liking my Desperado. Ball just grabbed too early inside and not enough outside. Probably just didn't match up with the drilling/surface. But it rolled nothing like my Trooper Urethane. That ball I loved. Very weak and controllable with no sign of early grabbing. The Desperado was just too much core I think for a ball that you want to play down and in with, even on fresher oil. Again, it could be that certain layout just didn't match up with my style...
I'm really looking to trying the Avalanche Urethane. Looks to roll more like the Trooper, a weak urethane than the Desperado.
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he said $120 drilled with slugs and tips out the door...
Hmmm decisions decisions
But it does look descent tho?
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$120? Must've been a freebie. Either that or your pro shop dude has a thing for you. He seems to always be offering you these "wholesale" prices. What does he normally charge for drilling?
A blank at my shop is $75 with grips and slug.
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Seems like a dumb choice op unless u have 400 rpm and 12 mph speed to keep picking up weak balls
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he said $120 drilled with slugs and tips out the door...
Hmmm decisions decisions
But it does look descent tho?
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$120? Must've been a freebie. Either that or your pro shop dude has a thing for you. He seems to always be offering you these "wholesale" prices. What does he normally charge for drilling?
A blank at my shop is $75 with grips and slug.
Haha, wtf!
naa, I buy alot of stuff there, and bring him some business
Drilling is usually $40 , $10 slug, $30/ $15 interchangables, $8 inserts
Also could be the fact he has 2 of them still in boxes..
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Seems like a dumb choice op unless u have 400 rpm and 12 mph speed to keep picking up weak balls
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I dont have ANY weak balls.. And my freeze is done after 2 games max, my DB is one.. Unless I keep moving around trying to find oil. Id rather keep close to my starting approach with a weaker ball that handles broken down lanes better..
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I've got a Visionary Slate Blue Gargoyle, a similar piece to both of these, and it will outhook a few of my older, weaker reactives. A big misnomer is that urethane automatically equals "weak." It's better said that urethane gives you a different look, and there are times when a reactive ball struggles to produce a similar look without either getting uncontrollable up front or burning up. Same comments go for the Naturals/Grenades/Liberators of the world.
I think if you're building a big arsenal, these balls definitely have value. They are somewhat niche products but it's nice to see someone with a PBA license finally made a pearl urethane, so we can see it on TV next year.
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Well I think they are in now, and still havent decided between this and the seismic. also drill pin up or pin down?
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....or Rico? Would the Avalanche Urethane be a good candidate for a Rico layout?
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....or Rico? Would the Avalanche Urethane be a good candidate for a Rico layout?
You're buying a ball because the lanes are too dry and you basically want length. Then why in heaven's name would you put a drilling on it that makes it hook it earlier than normal???????????
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Rico pattern doesn't make the ball hook earlier. It depends partially on your PAP. It puts the pin at the same distance as being above your ring finger in most cases.
My equipment that is drilled on the Rico pattern still gets plenty of length with a more controlled back end.
http://www.brunsnick.com/maxxx_zone.html
If you watch towards the end of this vid with both being shinned up the Rico is more controlled on the backend. I think it would be a good pattern to try if you've used it before.
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Rico pattern doesn''t make the ball hook earlier. It depends partially on your PAP. It puts the pin at the same distance as being above your ring finger in most cases.
My equipment that is drilled on the Rico pattern still gets plenty of length with a more controlled back end.
http://www.brunsnick.com/maxxx_zone.html
If you watch towards the end of this vid with both being shinned up the Rico is more controlled on the backend. I think it would be a good pattern to try if you''ve used it before.
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It makes it hook MUCH earlier than if it were above your ring finger. That''s 90% of the premise behind the Rico drilling!!! Making the ball smoother and more controlled and that''s done because it IS earlier.
C''mon, the pin is almost 3" lower. It''s more controlled because it is so much lower. Additional flare helps it be more continuous, but not on a low flaring ball like the Avalanche.
Additionally for the majority, you''re changing the VAL angle to a drastic degree, and putting the MB almost out on the VAL itself.
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Additionally for the majority, you''re changing the VAL angle to a drastic degree, and putting the MB almost out on the VAL itself.
Incorrect, on drilled symmetric cored balls the PSA migrates toward the thumbhole.
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Thank you for your response, and the reason I ask is because I don't know. Hence, I ask. As you can see, opinions differ, and I appreciate all opinions. It was just something I was thinking about, and I read about it a few times about guys Rico drilling their urethane balls and really liking them. I just had my old SD-73 done, and it just really woke the ball up, but not a ball for light oil. Thanks!
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....or Rico? Would the Avalanche Urethane be a good candidate for a Rico layout?
You're buying a ball because the lanes are too dry and you basically want length. Then why in heaven's name would you put a drilling on it that makes it hook it earlier than normal???????????
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Define "MUCH earlier"??? Then watch the video and see if that matches your definition. That is the similar reaction I've seen from balls drilled on the rico pattern. They don't hook out of your hand and the pin from your PAP is still on average over 4.5" for most bowlers or more.
With a pearl urethane ball you can drill it to roll early but that will still be relative to the balls capability. Pearl reactive or pearl urethane isn't going to start hooking out of you hand because the ball is drill pin down. It will start to hook sooner but early still not likely.
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