Post by: charlest on March 11, 2005, 12:40:34 PM
This forum has gotten so petty and childish (not vindictive or nasty), I hesitate to read, no less post advice, suggestions or my own experiences with my Brunswick balls. I must say, I just don't understand.
Post by: a_ak57 on March 11, 2005, 08:43:31 PM
EDIT: I might want to add, I do agree with you though. Even I am getting tired of the "OMG I BOUGHT A POWER GROOVE I'M IN THE NATION WE'RE COOL" posts......This is NOT what the whole Nation thing was supposed to be....IT was actually supposed to be like the Track forum, where all the experts got together in one place to help.........But that idea went to hell.
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Edited on 3/11/2005 9:43 PM
Post by: TJFreaky24 on March 11, 2005, 09:06:27 PM
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I am the best kept secret....
Redemption has never been so sweet!!
Post by: a_ak57 on March 11, 2005, 09:15:56 PM
Amazing how things work out....
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Post by: BrunsNick on March 11, 2005, 10:30:51 PM
And about these childish posts, there's really 3 things you can do about the so called "problem".
1. Use the ignore button
2. Nothing
3. Like it
The Nation has expanded and flooded the boards worse than Agent Smith clones running amuck in the Matrix. With the huge success lately, there has been nothing but violent opposition against Brunswick and the Nation.
First, the Brunswick "conspiracy" with the PBA lane oils. What a load of crud! Nobody said a word when Columbia300 made bowling balls dominated most of the first half. Brunswick balls start making shows, and heaven forbid win some, and all the red flags go up. Nice!
Second, posts just like this saying we are the problem. A_Ak57 was the innovator of the Nation, and now there are at least 4 copycat groupies. That is fine so long as the groups post their milarky in their respective forums. If I don't feel like reading Eye of the Storm topics, then I steer clear of their forum.
It is a VERY simple idea, but then again, common sense isn't.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Post by: TJFreaky24 on March 12, 2005, 05:25:13 AM
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I am the best kept secret....
Redemption has never been so sweet!!
Post by: a_ak57 on March 12, 2005, 10:46:32 AM
I didn't want to, BUT........I will show you the OFFICIAL, ORIGINAL Nation post. You'll find the main post VERY interesting....Oh yeah and in later posts you'll notice where I said that the Nation is for people with all brunswick arsenals....Heck, i didn't even consider myself part of it until i had my target zone drilled up, but anyways......BTW, to whoever said the Nation started the wicked thing, you're way off. The nation was started less than two months ago. Wicked's been here since september at least. Once again, but anyways.......
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=71582&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
And as you can see, i've never edited the original post. So yes, the whole point of it was really to.........Oh nevermind, look yourself.
Hmm, maybe i SHOULD resurrect the ghost that is The Official Nation.
And Greg, people like Nick and Ric took offense, because nobody EVER has singled out certain people. It's always "all those brunswick idiots", and that's why I think Ric has gotten angry....Nobody really references childish posters, rather just childish posts. It's like this......If I said Pennsylvanians are idiots (which i am one, just to not be discriminatory), but I was really talking about a couple, wouldn't everyone in the state take offense? Yes.
Hmm, lefty joe has got a REAL good idea....
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Edited on 3/12/2005 11:48 AM
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on March 12, 2005, 11:00:21 AM
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....BRUNSWICK!
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Nothing more to be said.
....DEATH BY CHEETOS!!!!
Post by: BrunsNick on March 12, 2005, 11:14:48 AM
I met the owner of BBE yesterday during the JBT ProAM, but that forum is a little dry for my tastes. I may be alone with this, but I kind of get a kick out of the "I got a Groove, w00000t Nation, que viva!" posts. It is awesome that a person can get so excited over a bowling ball. If pride can be bought for under a hundred bucks, great! Yes, some posts get out of hand, but the ignore feature takes care of that.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Post by: a_ak57 on March 12, 2005, 11:17:09 AM
quote:
Well I'm not leaving...
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Better hope so, since Lefty and Ric are gone, and who knows what I'm doing....So you'd be the only one left if i leave......
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Post by: Buckwild on March 12, 2005, 12:14:54 PM
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Buck '05
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on March 12, 2005, 12:16:29 PM
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....BRUNSWICK!
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Nothing more to be said.
....DEATH BY CHEETOS!!!!
Post by: BrunsNick on March 12, 2005, 12:22:38 PM
People are just blowing it waaaay out of proportion now, why don't we all just take a preverbial "chill pill!"
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Post by: TheDude on March 12, 2005, 12:29:15 PM
Storm used marketing for a long time to quote them off key, phrases like the storm nation, and high performance leader.
If numbers are your determining factor, or tv shows and wins, it's all dependant want you want to count and exclude to find out who or what company dominates.
no one's opinion is wrong and none is 100% right in the same sense.
I know i might be speaking in different tongues to some, but locking yourself into one cell or company limits your universe to what is carrying the B logo.
I have admitted on the boards, that i throw only columbia, but i sell a large part of brunswick in my shop, because IMHO they are releasing products for the majourity of what my clients see or want.
I personally hate being a company guy, i don't want to tell someone to take a certain ball just because i know that it serves my needs rather than there own. and what matters most is what's best for the client at the end of the day.
I see people here buying a brunswick ball asking for acceptance into this Nation, looking to belong and have a feeling or sense of being part of something.
everyone has a follower and a leader within them.
It's funny, if you look at storm's marketing over the last few years, they have tried to create this type of nation. creating more brand loyalty.
I wonder what storm thinks of all this? they have dropped thousands of dollars into marketing, and not create the same effect that a forum/board has with just a few posters.
(note: I am not selecting storm for a specific reason, but they have used the terms Nation in marketing and they spend alot on marketing.)
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Timothy @Juniors Pro-Shop
Montreal, Quebec.
Post by: charlest on March 12, 2005, 05:22:18 PM
As in most of my "tickle-your-toes" type of posts, this was only half in jest. Of course, I don't & didn't expect anyone to actually do that division.
As far as I have been and am concerned, BrunsRich and BrunsNick are excellent sources of knowledge regarding Brunswick balls and whole busload of technological insight AND research into ball drilling AND behavior. That has never been in question or doubted by anyone.
What provoked me (and I used that word specifically) to post that was the ongoing childish nature of the vast majority of posts here on the Brunswick forum, AFTER the establishment of the so-called Brunswick Nation. The post that was typical of the childish attitudes and behaviors and most inhibits the basic nature of all manufacturers' forums was the one in which some poster asked if he should get rid of all his other Brunswick balls because his Absolute was so "good". I won't even begin to comment on the inanity and naivete of such a such a premise.
That post got me to poke fun at a Nation of "Brunswick Children".
What I don't understand, what I cannot fathom is learned people (I am assuming) like BrunsRich and BrunsNick getting insulted over this or are they really leading a sect of the Branch Davidians ...
(http://www.apologeticsindex.org/b10.html#introduction)
Post by: a_ak57 on March 12, 2005, 06:33:21 PM
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Post by: BrunsNick on March 12, 2005, 07:47:10 PM
Ric leaving this site would be enough for me to follow suit.
BBE may be the ticket, what do you say Rico?
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Post by: Hamburglar on March 12, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
quote:
This is NOT what the whole Nation thing was supposed to be....IT was actually supposed to be like the Track forum, where all the experts got together in one place to help.........But that idea went to hell.
"Trust yourself. Think for yourself. Act for yourself. Speak for yourself. Be yourself. Imitation is suicide." ---Marva Collins
"Almost all absurdity of conduct arises from the imitation of those whom we cannot resemble." ---Samuel Johnson
"It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation." ---Herman Melville
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That which doesn't kill you will only make you stronger, that which doesn't make you stronger is a waste of time!
Post by: a_ak57 on March 12, 2005, 08:03:22 PM
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Post by: a_ak57 on March 12, 2005, 08:11:20 PM
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Wow, I never thought the downfall of this site would come so soon. Because of some people who wont keep theres mouths shut, we lost a bunch of great people.
Good going smart @$$es
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AMForce Stronger Than All
Vulgar Display Of Power
Most on this site would consider this a blessing. The "idiots" are leaving.
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Post by: a_ak57 on March 12, 2005, 08:18:58 PM
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Post by: LuckyLefty on March 12, 2005, 10:31:46 PM
Don't leave before you do the three cg test.
It has been threatened before and not done.
I really am dying to see your videos.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS Brunsnick ... and if you want to stay... I believe you are a credit to the site!
Post by: C-G ProShop-Carl on March 12, 2005, 10:46:43 PM
If you believe in something and enjoy yourselves, you shouldn't run away.
BTW---charlest, I agree, a comment such as the one you mentioned----very childish.
I do have a question....if someone has a target zone, does that put them in the nation? Just wondering, because I have sold about 50 of those to some old ladies this year and that is the only ball each of them own.
Post by: BrunsNick on March 12, 2005, 10:47:46 PM
Maybe he'll be able to comp me 3 discos from a local distributor to perform the test on.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Post by: PekosBob on March 12, 2005, 11:06:47 PM
And good luck tomorrow!
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Post by: bowlitup on March 12, 2005, 11:37:18 PM
I came here in mid february looking for a place to discuss bowling with like minded individuals who share my passion for this sport. I found that very place, and have since then posted several questions in several places on the site and have had helpful imput from many folks here in the brunswick forum, and elsewhere. This is my favorite wesite and the first page in my favorites list. I go here first every morning and at all hours of the night. I would be deeply disappointed to lose such a fantastic bowling resource, and more importantly the opportunity to make new friends who share my intrests. I have not met anyone who posts here, and I may never, but for the most part I am assured that if such a meeting were to occur I would not be disappointed with the experience. I am new here, so I am not privy to all the past problems with certain trolls, or the mounting frustration with what smoe belive to be childish posts, however I do not share this frustration. I try to take what I can from this forum, and although inexperienced I try to offer advise when asked. I suppose I didn't understand what I was doing when I wrote my signature, and I am sorry if I don't qualify for the nation. I was just trying to have a good time here, but this is not even close to being about me.
This is a whole other issue.
This site and most of the people I have had correspondence with through the forum have been unbeliveably good to me. It would be a terrible shame to see such a great thing dissapear, due to what? WHO REALLY KNOWS? Maybe someone, but I sure don't.
I'll stick around if anone cares to know.
Thanks for reading.
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Ben W.
Recent addition to the Brunswick Nation.
Post by: a_ak57 on March 13, 2005, 08:47:39 AM
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BrunsNIck,
Don't leave before you do the three cg test.
It has been threatened before and not done.
I really am dying to see your videos.
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS Brunsnick ... and if you want to stay... I believe you are a credit to the site!
OH MY GOD. That is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my life. You sir, are really getting on my nerves. I can't believe you STILL care about that. GET A LIFE. That's right, I said it. And it's damn true. I can't believe you STILL f-in care about that whole debate.......Sad. So what bulls--- excuse will you give when nick's video shows the stupid things don't change reaction? Geez..........
And yes, to all, I know I just sounded like a raving lunatic and you'd be glad to see me leave, but this guy has really gotten severely annoying. I bet you anything, a year from now he'll still be smugly saying "they matter because i think i've seen them matter" even if every company has even shown testing proving it wrong...........Geez.........
You were just WAITING to ask about that test again, weren't you....Geez, now i see why ric is leaving because of you and a few others.....
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Post by: a_ak57 on March 13, 2005, 08:59:52 AM
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- Andy
Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on March 13, 2005, 11:44:08 AM
quote:so leave? You dont contribute anything besides criticism anyways.
here is a little example of how this has overun the brunswick board! i only dug threw the last couple weeks and only in brunswick forums.
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=76986&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=76269&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78199&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=77600&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=76549&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=77456&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=76644&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=77625&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=77885&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78348&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78392&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78288&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78417&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=75850&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=76852&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78583&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78593&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78720&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78666&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=77548&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=79581&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=79688&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=79671&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=79588&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=79574&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=79431&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78170&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=77810&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
http://www.ballreviews.com/Forum/Replies.asp?TopicID=78775&ForumID=2&CategoryID=2
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....BRUNSWICK!
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Nothing more to be said.
....DEATH BY CHEETOS!!!!
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on March 13, 2005, 12:32:42 PM
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....BRUNSWICK!
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Nothing more to be said.
....DEATH BY CHEETOS!!!!
Post by: Moe on March 13, 2005, 12:41:56 PM
quote:quote:
That is some serious OCD, and why the hell would you take the time to search for all that crap??
trust me...it was not time consuming to find all this. all this was within the last couple weeks.
quoted by Moe
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go die
thats real mature too.
No one every said it was ment to be mature, so how about you kindly go end yourself and stop posting in the bwick section. That wasnt mature either, but it was a little more polite. If it is such a problem, no one said you had to read any of it, its pretty obvious by the title that its about nothing. Just useless nation drivle where nothing intresting happens.
Serioulsy find another hobby, i can direct you to some more fourms that you can have fun and post at if you like.
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