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Noy

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Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« on: August 28, 2006, 03:10:20 PM »
Lefty
STROKER/tweener

Radical Inferno
Drilled Pin left of ring, CG stacked under, small X-Hole.

Lanes were THS, fresh for the most part.

In all honesty, this ball had the exact same reaction as my Equation, and thats both good and bad.  Good in a sense that I love the reaction my Equation gives me, Bad in a sense that I don't want the ball to react that way.  Same mid-lane read, same length, same reaction on the back end, sometimes less backend then my Equation.

This ball didn't give me the amazing backend that people were raving about.  The only way I could get it to cover any boards was to play down and in over the 10 board.

I was reading the spec sheet and this ball is 400 grit under the polish.  So the ball may in fact have been burning up on me.  I know this ball is supposed to take cover adjustments very well, so what do you guys recommend?  Whats been working well?  When I used my Agent which was 600 grit under 1500 grit polish, I had to bring that up to 1000 grit abralon plus the polish to make it move.  Should I try the same thing?
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Action Max
Track Equation
Spare Ball

Undrilled:
Radical Inferno
Hammer Raw Pain
(Which of these should I put in between my Max and Equation?!?!)

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2006, 07:32:05 AM »
You consider yourself a stroker, so I'm guessing you revs are in the 250 range.  You'll NEVER get ANY ball to kick on the backend like a 400rpm bowler would.  Just ain't gonna happen....

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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2006, 07:44:24 AM »
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You consider yourself a stroker, so I'm guessing you revs are in the 250 range.  You'll NEVER get ANY ball to kick on the backend like a 400rpm bowler would.  Just ain't gonna happen....

Andrew


Nor do you guys need to...

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splendorlex

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2006, 08:04:31 AM »
Noy,

You've got to be careful about what you hear on this site and what a ball will do for you.  A lot of these guys have been bowling 10X longer than you, and have a lot more revs and consistency in the release.  A bowler like that will get the ball to scream back on the backend like you only dream of.  If you really are a stroker, you're not about backend, you're about hitting your mark every time and taking a more direct line to the pocket.  Leave the big backend for the crankers, and learn to use what you've got.  

Oh, and you're buying way too many balls right now for someone bowling a few months...  
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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2006, 08:54:09 AM »
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Lefty
STROKER/tweener

Radical Inferno
Drilled Pin left of ring, CG stacked under, small X-Hole.

Lanes were THS, fresh for the most part.

In all honesty, this ball had the exact same reaction as my Equation, and thats both good and bad.  Good in a sense that I love the reaction my Equation gives me, Bad in a sense that I don't want the ball to react that way.  Same mid-lane read, same length, same reaction on the back end, sometimes less backend then my Equation.

This ball didn't give me the amazing backend that people were raving about.  The only way I could get it to cover any boards was to play down and in over the 10 board.

I was reading the spec sheet and this ball is 400 grit under the polish.  So the ball may in fact have been burning up on me.  I know this ball is supposed to take cover adjustments very well, so what do you guys recommend?  Whats been working well?  When I used my Agent which was 600 grit under 1500 grit polish, I had to bring that up to 1000 grit abralon plus the polish to make it move.  Should I try the same thing?
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Arsenal:
Action Max
Track Equation
Spare Ball

Undrilled:
Radical Inferno
Hammer Raw Pain
(Which of these should I put in between my Max and Equation?!?!)

Turkey Adobo (Me and my friends' bowling site)
http://turkeyadobo.multiply.com

Didnt I say in a previous post dont get both the Radical and the equation beacsue they will probally overlap???????? Really IMO, the equation, radical, and Agent are all the same sort of ball. The reason you dont see the Radical flipping is probally your lower rev rate. You need a good amount of hand in most cases to get a ball to flip over. It could also be the pin beside ring and how it reacts with your PAP.
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Noy

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2006, 09:42:35 AM »
Trust me, I tried it all.  Moving inside, slowing way down, changing hand positions, cranking the ball, two finger cranking.  The ball at times moved less than my equation.  I played 8 straight games with the radical and it looked identical to my equation.  An no, the Equation/Radical, and Agent are hardly the same ball.  I could swing the Agent from 3rd arrow to 1st arrow with the lower rev rate  I had before (same speed now), something I've since only been able to do with my Action Max.

I was looking for a ball that went between my Max and Equation and so far this ball hasnt been the one.  I'll try the surface change before I think about selling it.  I guess I should have followed my gut instinct instead and drilled up the Pain, which I KNOW would go in between.

Slops, I dont recall you telling me that but I dont doubt that you did.

Splendor, I dont buy the balls.
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Arsenal:
Action Max
Track Equation
Spare Ball

Undrilled:
Radical Inferno
Hammer Raw Pain
(Which of these should I put in between my Max and Equation?!?!)

Turkey Adobo (Me and my friends' bowling site)
http://turkeyadobo.multiply.com
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splendorlex

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2006, 09:48:44 AM »
Did you get rid of the Agent?  What about the Equation?
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splendorlex

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2006, 09:50:13 AM »
I should also add that personally I don't think rolly Brunswick equipment is very good for a stroker style.  I have not had any success with their balls.  I don't blame the company, I just think their rolly coverstocks don't mesh well with my style and lowish rev rate.
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302efi

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2006, 09:51:53 AM »
Noy I just watched your vid in your profile...Theres no way your a tweener..Maybe a stroker at best

The Radical will never "turn" for your release. Your pretty much playing a direct line to pocket in the vid. You need to learn to rev the ball & send it out before its going to turn for you.

Alot of times when I'm bowling I'll get alot of guys asking me how I make the ball come in at a complete angle...I usually tells them "its the ball doing that, not me"...lol

I guess I really shouldnt say that anymore...
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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2006, 09:58:50 AM »
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Noy I just watched your vid in your profile...Theres no way your a tweener..Maybe a stroker at best


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Not that there is anything wrong with his rev-rate or style, that was my impression also, Stroker at best.
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Noy

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2006, 10:25:45 AM »
LOL, i need to take that video down...its a bad interpretation of how I bowl now.  Expect a new vid within the next week.
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Arsenal:
Action Max
Track Equation
Spare Ball

Undrilled:
Radical Inferno
Hammer Raw Pain
(Which of these should I put in between my Max and Equation?!?!)

Turkey Adobo (Me and my friends' bowling site)
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Noy

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2006, 10:27:50 AM »
quote:
I should also add that personally I don't think rolly Brunswick equipment is very good for a stroker style.  I have not had any success with their balls.  I don't blame the company, I just think their rolly coverstocks don't mesh well with my style and lowish rev rate.
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If you don't like Wrigley, you might as well leave the country and join the Taliban.


Yea, Im beginning to think that too.  I've seen many strokers in my house that have Bruns balls sitting in their bags as they werent very impressed with whatever they bought.
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Arsenal:
Action Max
Track Equation
Spare Ball

Undrilled:
Radical Inferno
Hammer Raw Pain
(Which of these should I put in between my Max and Equation?!?!)

Turkey Adobo (Me and my friends' bowling site)
http://turkeyadobo.multiply.com
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splendorlex

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2006, 10:36:52 AM »
I need something that saves energy better than Brunswick covers normally do for me.  That's why I'm throwing mostly Hammer now, since they have more length for the most part.  When I've tried to throw Brunswick in the past, it didn't have enough on the back end due to my speed and rev rate.  Maybe this would be different with the BVP line rather than the higher end lines.
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Noy

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2006, 11:18:53 AM »
splendorlex, have you tried the Pain yet?  I was wondering why u didnt go with that instead of the Wrath.
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Arsenal:
Action Max
Track Equation
Spare Ball

Undrilled:
Radical Inferno
Hammer Raw Pain
(Which of these should I put in between my Max and Equation?!?!)

Turkey Adobo (Me and my friends' bowling site)
http://turkeyadobo.multiply.com
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splendorlex

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2006, 11:31:31 AM »
I only went with the Wrath because I got a great, great deal on it from NACDale at the last BR meet.  I tried to sell or trade it to get a Pain, but couldn't get it done.  I'm picking it up from the shop today.

Why are you writing off C300?  Is the Action Max the only one you've thrown?  I've found C300 to be decent for a lower rev, stroker style.  Keep in mind, if it was because of the Max, the ball needs a LOT of oil to perform.
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Noy

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Re: Radical concerns/woes...initial impressions
« Reply #30 on: August 29, 2006, 12:12:32 PM »
I've thrown the Action as well and loved it.  I know about the oil issues with the Max and cant wait until I find enough oil to use it (if I dont sell it by then).  I'm probably gonna sell this Radical and gain back the loss i paid in drilling.  Then I'll have cash to drill up this Pain thats sitting next to me.  I should have drilled that instead.
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Arsenal:
Action Max
Track Equation
Spare Ball

Undrilled:
Radical Inferno
Hammer Raw Pain
(Which of these should I put in between my Max and Equation?!?!)

Turkey Adobo (Me and my friends' bowling site)
http://turkeyadobo.multiply.com
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