Post by: Coleman on August 06, 2003, 07:37:20 AM
Post by: DON DRAPER on August 06, 2003, 11:00:32 PM
Post by: Coleman on August 06, 2003, 11:08:33 PM
Post by: Coleman on August 06, 2003, 11:26:07 PM
Post by: Enzo on August 07, 2003, 12:06:55 AM
Post by: jjlamoroso on August 07, 2003, 09:35:12 AM
it's medium load particle.
They've just added particles to the
Activator reactive cover of the Inferno
that is highly polished reactive not pearlized
and changed the surface finish.
The core of the original Inferno
has been modified too, but that's
another story.
Heavy oil ball, no question about that.
Post by: Jeffrevs on August 07, 2003, 02:05:16 PM
quote:quote:
jjlamoroso indicated that he thought:
Raging is not particle pearl,
it's medium load particle.
Maybe you should take this discussion up with Brunswick. Their website specifically says
"Coverstock
Activatorâ„¢ Particle
Color: Purple Pearl
Hardness: 77-79"
I'm not 100% sure what it is, but all the above says describes a color purple pearl,....not the kind of coverstock....so maybe someone interested should call or email B to find out.
--------------------
JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: Doug Sterner on August 07, 2003, 02:15:55 PM
The ball looks an awful lot like a dark Riot Zone in terms of color and texture.
You can see silvery flecks in it like the older particle balls. It is not a pearl like the Inferno, Reloaded or anything thouogh.
--------------------
Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: Doug Sterner on August 07, 2003, 03:26:30 PM
The X Factor Reloaded is a pearl particle. If you look closely you can see the pearl in the coverstock. That is why it is as smooth as it is.
The Smash/R is the PK 18 solid reactive cover so no it isn't a pearl. And every Nighthawk Revenge I have ever seen has looked like a pearl because...WOW!!! It is!!!! Right here in this site it says....SPT III Pearl coverstock.
And Brunswick never said the Raging Inferno is a pearl anyway...the color is Purple Pearl. The color mix is what gives it a pearl appearance. SO we can argue all we want.
Remember there is a difference between pearlized and a solid with phasing....
--------------------
Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: jjlamoroso on August 07, 2003, 07:37:25 PM
Post by: jjlamoroso on August 07, 2003, 08:03:03 PM
in the color that you'll find pearl flakes
in the cover. If your car has the "ivory white"
paint on it, It doesn't mean that you are taking
part to the elephant's genocide...
3/ Nowhere in the Brunswick site or in the characteristic/drilling sheet
they describe the cover of both original and raging Inferno as
being pearlized. I've had both balls in front of me and
for sure, no pearlized flakes in it.
Post by: Doug Sterner on August 07, 2003, 08:35:53 PM
I see no relevance to your elephant example so we'll ignore that.
There are in fact minute silvery flecks in the Raging Inferno I have that give the pearl look to it.
--------------------
Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: lane1lefty on August 07, 2003, 09:36:20 PM
Post by: lane1lefty on August 07, 2003, 09:36:21 PM
Post by: Doug Sterner on August 07, 2003, 09:48:39 PM
The ScreamR is pearl...hands down.
Maybe I just have a different viewpoint on what a "pearl" is. I know that with paint, pearl means that the shade of color will change as you alter your viewing angle. Pearl white looks to have some purple or blue in it depending on how you view it.
I dunno...but I have come to one striking conclusion.....why are we discussing it? Let's just drill and throw the dang pebbles and see how they react....
--------------------
Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY
http://dougsproshop@aol.com
www.dougsproshop.net
Think about it....pins are wood, lanes are wood...
the weapon of choice is obvious...
CUT 'EM UP BABY it's BUZZSAW TIME!!!
Post by: charlest on August 07, 2003, 10:52:02 PM
--------------------
"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: jjlamoroso on August 08, 2003, 03:06:48 AM
It goes long, with the time the white on it is more
the color of a real pearl, just wondering...
By Ebonite they say it is plastic, red, blue and white but,
you know, the important thing is what you see and how
the ball reacts. So, I am the happy owner of a pearl ball.
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 08, 2003, 07:31:29 AM
Wish I didn't(killing em in practice with it), but it was definetely a Pearl particle and looked it!
My Smash/r also looks like a Pearl to me but so did the Raging Red Fuze, Green Black Monster and Red Black to me.
Brunswick does not call them that!
The last solid Reactive I saw Brunswick make was the Demolition Zone and now the Time Zone. I also threw my new Walter Ray in practice yesterday and it was definetly solid also!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: Jeffrevs on August 08, 2003, 08:30:41 AM
--------------------
JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: Jeffrevs on August 08, 2003, 01:52:33 PM
The question to answer #2 was : What is the SmashR Cover ?
ENJOY !
quote:
Hi Jeff,
Yes, we do watch the boards very closely but have waited so far to interact. I might start soon when we slow down from Trade shows this summer.
To answer your first question... The Inferno and Raging Inferno are both Pearlized coverstocks. The Pearl we use in our coverstocks does not effect the performance of the ball like other company's. When we tested a solid Vs. pearl color ball we might see only a 1/2 board of difference in overall hook and length. You do see the perception that the pearl ball will go longer and snap more on the backend but our testing with CATS and Thro Bot show that it is very small.
Question #2... Only the silver is pearlized on the SmashR. The blue is a solid color.
Hope this answered your questions.... If not write me back.
Bill Orlikowski
--------------------
JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: charlest on August 08, 2003, 01:56:02 PM
quote:
I dunno...but I have come to one striking conclusion.....why are we discussing it? Let's just drill and throw the dang pebbles and see how they react....
--------------------
Doug Sterner
Doug, How dare you try to throw some common sense into a nice "Raging" argument!
--------------------
"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: charlest on August 08, 2003, 01:59:16 PM
quote:
[The question to answer #2 was : What is the SmashR Cover ?
ENJOY !quote:
Hi Jeff,
Yes, we do watch the boards very closely but have waited so far to interact. I might start soon when we slow down from Trade shows this summer.
To answer your first question... The Inferno and Raging Inferno are both Pearlized coverstocks. The Pearl we use in our coverstocks does not effect the performance of the ball like other company's. When we tested a solid Vs. pearl color ball we might see only a 1/2 board of difference in overall hook and length. You do see the perception that the pearl ball will go longer and snap more on the backend but our testing with CATS and Thro Bot show that it is very small.
Question #2... Only the silver is pearlized on the SmashR. The blue is a solid color.
Hope this answered your questions.... If not write me back.
Bill Orlikowski
JEFF
The most interesting thing is that here is yet another combination of solid and Pearl within the same coverstock.
--------------------
"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: Jeffrevs on August 08, 2003, 02:12:49 PM
I knew you'd notice that !!!
--------------------
JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Edited on 8/8/2003 2:36 PM
Post by: charlest on August 08, 2003, 03:15:18 PM
quote:
charlest,
I knew you'd notice that !!!
--------------------
JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Edited on 8/8/2003 2:36 PM
So far we have the Thing, the Element, the Turbo Diesel, and the SmashR. I know there are more but I can't think of them right now. I think the Hex may also have been one, but that is not confirmed. Oh, the Morich Hercules is also one, and it has particles to boot!
--------------------
"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it."
Post by: DP3 on August 08, 2003, 06:45:10 PM
Let me break it down...
Pearl is the actual process of pearlization that the ball goes through. A ball can be a single solid pearl but can still be a pearl since it goes through the process of pearlization when the resin is "glazed"(to put it in laymens terms). Good examples of this is the Riot Zone and EMB pearl which are both pearls but one solid color. Thus it is pearl because IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PEARLIZATION AT THE FACTORY!
Next, Solid resin balls can be many different color swirls examples are the Track Hex, Track Voodoo, Columbia Wicked, Monster Bruiser, Monster Smash/R, Inferno(WHICH ARE NOT PEARLS PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PEARLIZATION!). Solid resin swirl colored balls are not pearls just because they are many different shiny colors.
So all in all, it doesn't matter what the ball looks like, it's the process of pearlization that it goes through so don't judge a book by its cover. The chemists that work for these companies know what they are doing.
I didn't mean to be a jerk about it, I just want to shed some light so everyone can understand.
--------------------
-D. Marshall
ScratchBowling.com Shirt Staff 2003-2004
Post by: jjlamoroso on August 08, 2003, 07:26:27 PM
Post by: Jeffrevs on August 10, 2003, 11:13:40 PM
quote:
Next, Solid resin balls can be many different color swirls examples are the Track Hex, Track Voodoo, Columbia Wicked, Monster Bruiser, Monster Smash/R, Inferno(WHICH ARE NOT PEARLS PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF PEARLIZATION!). Solid resin swirl colored balls are not pearls just because they are many different shiny colors.
According to Brunswick, the Smash/R is a combo...solid and pearl...
See the email I received from Bill @ B.
--------------------
JEFF
Just chimin' in !
Post by: stanski on August 13, 2003, 12:08:56 PM
--------------------
stanski