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Equipment Boards => Brunswick => Topic started by: Greazygeo on January 25, 2015, 05:21:08 PM
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Like the title says....ready to give up on this ball. Leaves tons of ten pins. Tried it on both THS I bowl on (wood and synthetic) also last years dbl/ sng Nats pattern at a local tournament and today on the Highway to Hell pattern.
Once I get lined up it normally will leave a flat ten, move in and leave a ring ten. Pretty frustrating. It's drilled pin above ring finger, cg in the palm. Added a motion hole which so far hasn't really made any difference. Finish is still oob.
The Platinum Ringer I just got is awesome.
Wed nites league used the Blue game one for 158, switched to the Platinum and went 198-279.
I'm thinking the Blue must be too dull and burning up on me. Any thoughts on a different finish to try before I pitch it?
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I'd throw a light coat of polish on it...or take it to 4000..
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I had mine drilled with an aggressive pin-down layout. I've used ball surface ranging from 500 to 3000. But I've used mine on sport compliant/flat patterns of 40 feet or less, or THS's.
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I'd throw a light coat of polish on it...or take it to 4000..
Sounds good. Probably try the 4000 first.
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It is a great ball with more strength then expected. I would have made adjustments to surface before adding the motion hole. Surface is key with any ball.
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I had mine drilled with an aggressive pin-down layout. I've used ball surface ranging from 500 to 3000. But I've used mine on sport compliant/flat patterns of 40 feet or less, or THS's.
i can't use pin down stuff. My track is pretty high, ball speed about 15 mph and too many revs.....
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Mine has some polish over the factory surface and it's MONEY that way. Let us know how we can help. We're on the same team.
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As Lane said, adding polish did the trick for the first one I drilled. The cover used on that ball is a good bit stronger than the platinum so less surface should do the trick.
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It's drilled pin above ring finger, cg in the palm. Added a motion hole which so far hasn't really made any difference. Finish is still oob.
I have a similar layout on mine, only the pin is in the ring. I currently have mine at 1000/2000/4000 Abralon, and I use it once the lanes break down, and get a lot of length and an angular backend reaction. I have also used it at 500/2000 Abralon on fresh conditions, and it definitely smoothed out the backend. My Motion hole is only 3/4" diameter.
I would suggest going to 4000 Abralon first. Also, you can increase the size of the Motion hole in 1/8" increments until you get what you are looking for.
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It is a great ball with more strength then expected. I would have made adjustments to surface before adding the motion hole. Surface is key with any ball.
the motion hole was more of an experiment. This year has been a real struggle for me to carry for some reason. I bowl so many 9/ frames it's unreal.
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Mine has some polish over the factory surface and it's MONEY that way. Let us know how we can help. We're on the same team.
i can see it picking up hard in the midlane and the motion is very smooth (I tend to like that controllable motion). It must be hooking out too soon. I can't seem to move very deep with it either, but that is probably just how I roll it.
The Platinum so far has been great for me.
I do want to try something with the cover at least before giving up on it.
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As Lane said, adding polish did the trick for the first one I drilled. The cover used on that ball is a good bit stronger than the platinum so less surface should do the trick.
Cool I hope so. If not, try something else. I'm thinking a Strike King may be next.
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It's drilled pin above ring finger, cg in the palm. Added a motion hole which so far hasn't really made any difference. Finish is still oob.
I have a similar layout on mine, only the pin is in the ring. I currently have mine at 1000/2000/4000 Abralon, and I use it once the lanes break down, and get a lot of length and an angular backend reaction. I have also used it at 500/2000 Abralon on fresh conditions, and it definitely smoothed out the backend. My Motion hole is only 3/4" diameter.
I would suggest going to 4000 Abralon first. Also, you can increase the size of the Motion hole in 1/8" increments until you get what you are looking for.
Mine isn't angular at all right now. The Platinum is though. Hopefully shining it up some will do it.
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I don't know your stats, but I think you have nailed the diagnosis on the head. Try surface adjustment. Personally, my favorite is 500/polish. This type of surface gives the ball a little bite downlane. But I am a lower rev bowler. What works for me may not work for you.
If that don't work try other combinations. I wouldn't give up on that ball. You will find a surface combination that will work. It may take a little experimenting, but that can be the fun part as well.
I would also suggest take notes on what you do to the ball and the reaction difference you see. This way you could refer back to it in the future if needed.
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Mine is pin up 5 X 4.75. Near stacked for me!
I call it my midlane ball, very rounded continuous backend. The Out of box was too strong for me so I alternate between 2000 and Brunswick polish and 3000 and Ebonite polish.
On our jumpy top hat it can look very right or very wrong. When it is right it squares up so nice and takes out the 7 so solid it is ball after ball. If tugged this smaller core can hit the pocket and leave flat 7s. If I get it on the wide side of my intended line it loves to flush all 10 off the launch pad! Very good league ball for a top hat.
I play about 14 to 16 at the arrows and loop out to about 9 to 11 area and it flushes them. I have a new favorite for this shot....but this is a good one! When I am forced deeper it stops carrying.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I keep taking it to the lanes thought I am using something else in this slot. Funny thing also....when my pearls my Freakin Frantic or Uproar are not sensing oil, or showing it on the ball surface sometimes this solid shows oil in the early track flares and has more push than my pearls(!)and lets me move a board or two left and strike. In fact that is when I usually use it! ...seems Funny to me!
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As others have stated, surface is everything! I recently bagged to Brunswick pieces (Mastermind Genius and Melee Jab), and I didn't like box (500 Siar plus Royal Compound) finish on either one. For me, they both read too early and had muted movement down the lane that way. I took the Genius to 3000 Abralon and the Jab to 2000 + polish, and they have been great. Play with the surface until you find what you're looking for.
One observation I made is that it sounds like you're rev dominant (more revs than what your speed can necessarily handle). If that's the case, surface is going to be a bit tricky at times. Personally, I don't know if the suggestion of 4000 or 4000 plus polish is going to be the solution. That should make the ball cleaner up front and stronger down lane, but it sounds like you already have that covered with your Platinum. If that's the case, you may actually want to go with more surface. There is a cranker in our house who uses 500 grit (or sometimes even lower) on some very aggressive pieces (Hyper Cell, Asylum, etc) in order to intentionally bleed the ball off a bit. From there, he lets his revs do the trick of making the ball hook and hit, and he's doing a great job of it. Obviously, you'd have to play deep inside to do this, but it may be something else to consider. I see far too many high-rev guys and gals just keep going smoother and shinier, and that doesn't always get them the shape they want; it often just makes the ball longer and harder to control.
Keep us posted on what you try. Good luck to you!
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Many of us have talked about adding some polish, but specifically, I'd suggest 500 then polish, or 1000 and polish. My experience is unless your'e bowling on the Sahara Desert any ball can get over/under with 2000-4000 plus polish.
We all see different oil volumes, lane surfaces, and bowler styles, so you may need a little trial and error, but once you find the right combination your Blue Ringer will be an everyday ball.
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Mine is pin up 5 X 4.75. Near stacked for me!
I call it my midlane ball, very rounded continuous backend. The Out of box was too strong for me so I alternate between 2000 and Brunswick polish and 3000 and Ebonite polish.
On our jumpy top hat it can look very right or very wrong. When it is right it squares up so nice and takes out the 7 so solid it is ball after ball. If tugged this smaller core can hit the pocket and leave flat 7s. If I get it on the wide side of my intended line it loves to flush all 10 off the launch pad! Very good league ball for a top hat.
I play about 14 to 16 at the arrows and loop out to about 9 to 11 area and it flushes them. I have a new favorite for this shot....but this is a good one! When I am forced deeper it stops carrying.
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I keep taking it to the lanes thought I am using something else in this slot. Funny thing also....when my pearls my Freakin Frantic or Uproar are not sensing oil, or showing it on the ball surface sometimes this solid shows oil in the early track flares and has more push than my pearls(!)and lets me move a board or two left and strike. In fact that is when I usually use it! ...seems Funny to me!
sounds very similar to mine. It also shows oil where the Platinum doesnt. I thought maybe on the heavier sport shots it would have carried better, but it was the same.
My thinking when buyong this ball was that it would have a similar motion to my old Red Hammer that usually works so well for me. It is nice and smooth/arcing but I can see it rolling up too soon.
Im seeing that box finish is 500/2000 ( but not abralon). And the Platinum is 500 and two different polishes. Maybe 500/4000 would be good? I put that on my Mastermind and Meanstreak Beatdown. Of corse both of those balls are way too strong for me to use.
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As others have stated, surface is everything! I recently bagged to Brunswick pieces (Mastermind Genius and Melee Jab), and I didn't like box (500 Siar plus Royal Compound) finish on either one. For me, they both read too early and had muted movement down the lane that way. I took the Genius to 3000 Abralon and the Jab to 2000 + polish, and they have been great. Play with the surface until you find what you're looking for.
One observation I made is that it sounds like you're rev dominant (more revs than what your speed can necessarily handle). If that's the case, surface is going to be a bit tricky at times. Personally, I don't know if the suggestion of 4000 or 4000 plus polish is going to be the solution. That should make the ball cleaner up front and stronger down lane, but it sounds like you already have that covered with your Platinum. If that's the case, you may actually want to go with more surface. There is a cranker in our house who uses 500 grit (or sometimes even lower) on some very aggressive pieces (Hyper Cell, Asylum, etc) in order to intentionally bleed the ball off a bit. From there, he lets his revs do the trick of making the ball hook and hit, and he's doing a great job of it. Obviously, you'd have to play deep inside to do this, but it may be something else to consider. I see far too many high-rev guys and gals just keep going smoother and shinier, and that doesn't always get them the shape they want; it often just makes the ball longer and harder to control.
Keep us posted on what you try. Good luck to you!
thanks for the info. The Platinum has been great, now to figure out where and what do with this one. Was hoping to use it to blend out the pattern first game. Too many ten pin leaves though before I switch to the Platinum.
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Many of us have talked about adding some polish, but specifically, I'd suggest 500 then polish, or 1000 and polish. My experience is unless your'e bowling on the Sahara Desert any ball can get over/under with 2000-4000 plus polish.
We all see different oil volumes, lane surfaces, and bowler styles, so you may need a little trial and error, but once you find the right combination your Blue Ringer will be an everyday ball.
im heading out shortly to do something with it. Thanks for all the replies and info everyone!
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had a royal done up 55x4.75x45 with 2-4000 spinner on it and it was super skid flippy, like major, put a bunch more surface like oob back on it and it was flat and wouldnt shape up right, just never could find a place to use it, its a lot of ball
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Red Hammer? Versus this Ball?
I have seen some lefties play Red Hammers up the track, very successfully.
This reactive however is known as a midlane ball. Perfect for any top hat as it can loop and close to the hole smoothly.
As a lefty I use this ball right near the 3rd arrow. Much like a video on Youtube by Bowler X. I can't see it being anything similar to a Red Hammer in the area played on the lane. Unless you really back your hand out of it.
Good Lucky! Great house ball.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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had a royal done up 55x4.75x45 with 2-4000 spinner on it and it was super skid flippy, like major, put a bunch more surface like oob back on it and it was flat and wouldnt shape up right, just never could find a place to use it, its a lot of ball
well 500/ polish wasn't the ticket last nite....but neither was the Platinum.....
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Red Hammer? Versus this Ball?
I have seen some lefties play Red Hammers up the track, very successfully.
This reactive however is known as a midlane ball. Perfect for any top hat as it can loop and close to the hole smoothly.
As a lefty I use this ball right near the 3rd arrow. Much like a video on Youtube by Bowler X. I can't see it being anything similar to a Red Hammer in the area played on the lane. Unless you really back your hand out of it.
Good Lucky! Great house ball.
Regards,
Luckylefty
What I meant was for the motion to be similar. My Red Hammer is smooth and arcing to the pocket and doesn't overreact to the dry. I was hoping to get that type motion but for the heavier oil conditions. It is close with the box finish, but rolls up too soon.
Went with the 500/polish....that was not the ticket for last nite (old wood lanes with guardian heads). It did go farther down the lane, but hard turn and still left 4 tenpins in the first game. If I left up on the speed it would go hard left and leave a split.
Will try it again Wed nite and see how it is on synthetics. In fairness the Platinum did not fare any better. And I still can't figure out how to bowl on a THS!
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Of course every house is different! Wood, Synthetics, that is a lot to get a ball to be the best ball for every situation.
However, for my house I have done 3 surface changes on this ball, and have found a setup that workds very nicelay between 1/3 and 1/2 of the time.
I went 1000, 2000, Brunswick Factory Finish or 1000, 3000, Ebonite Polish. I find most of the balls from Brunswick that are done at the factory 500 at the factory have more bite at the breakpoint then I need no matter what is put on top so I weaken the initial cut to 1000.
What a beautiful controllable midlane and slurve I have when it is right!
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I am not much for the drilling you have on yours with the cg at the grip center due to my roll.
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Of course every house is different! Wood, Synthetics, that is a lot to get a ball to be the best ball for every situation.
However, for my house I have done 3 surface changes on this ball, and have found a setup that workds very nicelay between 1/3 and 1/2 of the time.
I went 1000, 2000, Brunswick Factory Finish or 1000, 3000, Ebonite Polish. I find most of the balls from Brunswick that are done at the factory 500 at the factory have more bite at the breakpoint then I need no matter what is put on top so I weaken the initial cut to 1000.
What a beautiful controllable midlane and slurve I have when it is right!
Regards,
Luckylefty
PS I am not much for the drilling you have on yours with the cg at the grip center due to my roll.
We talked about 1000 and polish to try next. Was afraid to try polishing the 2000 and making it too much like the Platinum. I need to figure out somehow to score on this wood THS. The backends are so violent for me. It's too oily for the Red Hammer to work right now.
Best look last nite was the plastic Hammer True blood, but it was leaving 4 pins. It's been a frustrating year to say the least....
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Why not leave the ball with some surface and use for heavier oil instead of trying to fit it into a condition that it may not be suited for? Let the Ringer Platinum be the ball for most of what you see on a regular basis and when the Platinum isn't enough then you have the Blue Ringer to step in.
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Why not just throw the ball right on a ths and let it come back ez pz ;)
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Why not leave the ball with some surface and use for heavier oil instead of trying to fit it into a condition that it may not be suited for? Let the Ringer Platinum be the ball for most of what you see on a regular basis and when the Platinum isn't enough then you have the Blue Ringer to step in.
is Highway To Hell considered heavier oil? I know it's nice and flat which I liked, not sure if it's heavy oil though. The Blue acted the same on it, bunch of ten pins. The Platinum carried much better.
It just seems to need a bit more length....maybe it will be fine on the synthetics.
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Why not just throw the ball right on a ths and let it come back ez pz ;)
which spare do I feel like throwing at all nite is the question? 10 or 7 pin....I see guys killing it, I sure can't.
Too many old habits I can't seem to change.
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I like this video. At the 35 second mark Sean Rash has my exact lane shape over the 3rd arrow for this ball.
Sweet!
http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/ringer-royal-blue-solid/
Drilled 5 1/4 pin up pin to pAP 4 3/4 cg to PAP and hit with 1000, 2000, Brunswick polish. It is not too long.
It is not to long and creates some nice are on this medium to small loop! Lovely and hard hitting. I has been as deep as 16-17 at the arrows and still carry.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Why not leave the ball with some surface and use for heavier oil instead of trying to fit it into a condition that it may not be suited for? Let the Ringer Platinum be the ball for most of what you see on a regular basis and when the Platinum isn't enough then you have the Blue Ringer to step in.
is Highway To Hell considered heavier oil? I know it's nice and flat which I liked, not sure if it's heavy oil though. The Blue acted the same on it, bunch of ten pins. The Platinum carried much better.
It just seems to need a bit more length....maybe it will be fine on the synthetics.
The pattern tells me nothing. According to youtube when searched everyone seems to be hooking the ball for days. If you are bowling on it you should be able to tell if it is heavy, medium or light.
Are you leaving flat 10s, ringing 10s,? Do you make adjustment with speed or line? This can be any ball on any condition depending on the bowler and the line. Some guys complain about "leaving 10s" if they leave 1 out of 4 good shots. Most of the time they do not realize they aren't making good shots and assume in the pocket means it should strike.
Lots of variable that only someone actually watching in person can better determine the adjustments to make. A video of 5 or 6 good shots of you leaving 10 pins or just consecutive frames bowling would be helpful.
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I like this video. At the 35 second mark Sean Rash has my exact lane shape over the 3rd arrow for this ball.
Sweet!
http://www.bowlwithbrunswick.com/balls/detail/ringer-royal-blue-solid/
Drilled 5 1/4 pin up pin to pAP 4 3/4 cg to PAP and hit with 1000, 2000, Brunswick polish. It is not too long.
It is not to long and creates some nice are on this medium to small loop! Lovely and hard hitting. I has been as deep as 16-17 at the arrows and still carry.
Regards,
Luckylefty
That is how mine moved as well with the ooob finish. Minus the ten pin of course..with the current finish it goes alittle further down lane but moves much harder and sharper. Now if I could get your motion and carry the corner, man would that be great!
The one way I was able to carry was to loft it to the arrows, makes me tired though lol!
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Why not leave the ball with some surface and use for heavier oil instead of trying to fit it into a condition that it may not be suited for? Let the Ringer Platinum be the ball for most of what you see on a regular basis and when the Platinum isn't enough then you have the Blue Ringer to step in.
is Highway To Hell considered heavier oil? I know it's nice and flat which I liked, not sure if it's heavy oil though. The Blue acted the same on it, bunch of ten pins. The Platinum carried much better.
It just seems to need a bit more length....maybe it will be fine on the synthetics.
The pattern tells me nothing. According to youtube when searched everyone seems to be hooking the ball for days. If you are bowling on it you should be able to tell if it is heavy, medium or light.
Are you leaving flat 10s, ringing 10s,? Do you make adjustment with speed or line? This can be any ball on any condition depending on the bowler and the line. Some guys complain about "leaving 10s" if they leave 1 out of 4 good shots. Most of the time they do not realize they aren't making good shots and assume in the pocket means it should strike.
Lots of variable that only someone actually watching in person can better determine the adjustments to make. A video of 5 or 6 good shots of you leaving 10 pins or just consecutive frames bowling would be helpful.
My typical nite is 4-5 ten pins per game. If using my Red Hammer not as many ten pins, but as many 7's. With this ringer it has been ten pins. They can be either flat or ringing. Make an adjustment and it will be the other. I typically move side to side on THS. I've not been able to make speed adjustments. Sport patterns I move forward and backward.
I really appreciate all the info and help from you guys. I hope to make this work somehow. It won't be till tue before I could possibly video anything.