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Dennis Rhodes

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Hello Everybody,

This is just an observation of my equipment, and that is it.
My current arsenal is:
Brunswick Maxxx Zone #2 (Rev-Levarage, 1500 grit)
Brunswick Maxxx Zone #1 (10:30 drill-4 1/2 pin to pap, pin above ring finger, 1000 grit with storm extra shine)
Brunswick Vapor Zone (3 inch pin to pap, 3 1/2  psa to pap, 1000 grit with storm extra shine)
Brunswick Wild Ride (4 1/2 Pin to pap, drilled 60 degree psa, 1000 grit with storm extra shine)
Brunswick Copperhead (3 inch to pap, 5 inch to cg from pap)
Brunswick Swarm (rico'd, 4000 grit abralon)
Brunswick Rhino PTE (10:30 drill see Maxxx Zone for Pin to pap distance, pin above ring finger)

At first, I have to say that I was disappointed in the Maxxx Zone and Wild Ride.  Out of box, the Maxxx Zone #1 was so smooth, that it wasn't giving me the look that I had hoped for.  After tinkering with the surface (as noted above), the ball is much more lively, and recovery has increased greatly.  Same with Maxxx Zone #2, which is just one awesome piece for heavy conditions.  The Wild Ride had disappointed slightly in the oob surface.  It was great as long as I kept it right of 15, but it became a little touchy when I moved deeper.  Carry-down seemed to affect it greatly, and it seemed to cover about the same area on the same condition as my Vapor Zone.  After messing with the surface, I have seen this ball start to do as it showed in the video on Brunswick's website.  It is good from outside, medium, and inside of 20 now.  This was definitely interesting considering that I changed the surface to allow me to stay right of my Vapor.  The copperhead, I am still searching for the right surface.  The ball is incredibly smooth, which takes away from recovery, but I am still hopeful that surface altercations (I have tried oob, 2000 with storm extra shine without much success) will prove fruitful.  The Swarm is great, and much more predictable with the current surface alterations.  Sorry for the long post.  I have read some posts where people have been slightly disappointed in the new offerings, and just wanted to say; feel free to change the surfaces.  This has made, what appeared to be some average equipment, into some awesome pieces.
Thanks for your time,
Dennis
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DON DRAPER

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Re: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long)
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2009, 08:31:26 PM »
it's all about matching up.....the type of lane surface, the amount of oil, and the surface on your ball.

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Re: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long)
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2009, 10:10:43 PM »
Why is it that a ball just doesn't live up to the manufacturer's hype? Why is it always the bowler's fault? If a company hypes a ball to have the most back end of any ball they have every made I would expect it to do so on a typical house shot. No ball is perfect out of the factory for everyone but I would expect it to work for the majority of bowlers with the "out of box finish". It just seems that a lot of people are commenting about how the Wild Ride doesn't roll like expected out of the box and they have had to adjust the surface in order to get it to roll half-way decent.


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Re: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long)
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2009, 01:25:16 AM »
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Why is it that a ball just doesn't live up to the manufacturer's hype? Why is it always the bowler's fault? If a company hypes a ball to have the most back end of any ball they have every made I would expect it to do so on a typical house shot. No ball is perfect out of the factory for everyone but I would expect it to work for the majority of bowlers with the "out of box finish". It just seems that a lot of people are commenting about how the Wild Ride doesn't roll like expected out of the box and they have had to adjust the surface in order to get it to roll half-way decent.


Because it has a relatively WEAK core. Together with asymmetry, it is very easy to make it look junk with an inappropriate drilling.
OB finish is great for its INTENDED conditions and CORRECT line. That ball, for the majority, MUST be played close to friction. Yes, cover is not clean as enmotion and it is not allergic to carry-down, but still friction is needed. It is not an oil ball.

Again, core does not rev up as early as we all got used to seeing with most high-end releases of many companies. Lower pins, stronger pin-PAP distances AND smaller drilling angles are more likely to match up with the expectations of the majority. It is not bad, it is just different and should be treated accordingly.

If drilled AND played properly, believe me, it backends, and backends hard! At least, for me, it's sharper than similarly surface prepared Rampage, Original Inferno and Absolute Inferno.

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Yeah I have noticed. The doesn't seem to read the lane well at all. But who knows it might have looked good all week then go to crap on the telecast. Wouldn't be the first time.

That is a very good point. They were doubles and missed single pin spares, lost their focus, made bad shots etc..


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Edited on 2/3/2009 3:41 AM
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Re: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long)
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2009, 03:55:58 AM »
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Why is it that a ball just doesn't live up to the manufacturer's hype? Why is it always the bowler's fault?


It is because the bowler WANTS this certain ball. I come from a house league where 80% of players did not care for ball prep or had a strategy for their arsenal. Most ran into the pro shop (run by an idiot, sorry), asked for the most hooking ball and tossed it with glee in their eyes witha spinning release that made anything skid... I have seen people tossing high load particle pieces on a 30' THS, with absolutely NO ball reaction, but they were frim believers that this ball was "good", because the pro shop told them so and the ball had a high hook potential, according to its advertising.

IMHO, it is rarely the ball's fault - it is this swamp of ignorance on both sides that puts bowlers in a dead end.
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Re: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long)
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2009, 10:53:49 AM »
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Your old ball may still work if you find some lightly oiled lanes.
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I don't think that even matters as much as the surface you're bowling on. If you're playing on wood and shoot down and in, urethanes work very well. They check up early and just roll. The only thing you're missing with a urethane ball that you can get from a reactive is MASSIVE recovery and better carry on light hits.

Get away from the urethane and you are giving up control for power. I roll urethane now and again just for fun, and on a wood THS I know I can average 210 or better, because the ball hits good on flush shots and evens out the THS pattern so I don't get that stupid jump on the back.

 


I bowl in an early (6:30) league on what I believe are synthetic lanes.  Is there any surface preparation I can do to my old Columbia 300 C/Beast that will make it work better under these conditions?  

I was thinking if I can get the money together I'd pick up either a Copperhead or Swarm for a new ball.  Haven't seen either one rolled where my league plays so don't know exactly what I should expect from either one.

Edited on 2/4/2009 4:51 PM

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Re: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long)
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2009, 11:57:34 AM »
I have now thrown 3 different Wild Rides, played with surface prep, and got drillings re-examined, this ball is... junk! I have also spoke to 3 other users on here that are not just "house league bowlers", and they have either sold, or are in the process of selling this ball because of how weak the ball finishes, or the lack of backend. Its something more to this ball then the weak core. I had the most luck with the pin under drilling, and it did corner better, but it hit like a marshmellow! I have thrown it at 4 different houses, and each and every time, same result. I even threw it on a burn't up shot where I couldn't keep my New Breed on the right side of the lane, and it was the same thing... over/under. Pocket 5 pin city! Just does not match up well as Big B advertised it. I have had balls that I just didn't like, or didn't fit my game, but as the poster above stated: There is just too many people saying the same things! It can't be the bowler everytime fellas.

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Re: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long)
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2009, 03:20:19 PM »
tizzle, just out of curiosity, what was the drilling on your Wild Ride?
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Re: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long)
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2009, 01:01:41 AM »
which one, tried pin over ring, pin under ring, pin over bridge. I have plenty of hand, and can vary my hand position to leverage the ball or add tilt. Tried them at box, 4000, and 2000, pin under was the best results, but overall still a very weak reaction at the pins.

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Re: Interesting Observation on a Few of The New Brunswick Balls (kinda long)
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2009, 01:36:43 AM »
I'm actually asking MB positions. It has a strong MB and should be placed properly with respect to bowlers PAP.
And I'd like to know your PAP to understand what exactly those pin placements mean.

Thanks,

(For a side note, I'm just trying to understand the situation for future reference, have no other intention)
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