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Title: Rico Rant!
Post by: stanski on April 25, 2005, 01:42:48 PM
Enough with the rico questions!!! Jesus christ, you'd think this drilling was the saviour from all the comments it gets! This reminds me of all the 315 degree drilling questions of about a year ago. Can we just move on from Rico? Or can we at least call it "5 inches from pap with pin in grip center" or just "standard drilling that was on many balls in the 80's when the pins were too short for exotic drills?"

I'M SICK OF RICO!!!
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stanski
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on April 25, 2005, 09:45:04 PM
The only reason it gets attention is because Nick started to use it, and for some reason people try to emulate nick in every aspect....

I agree, it's nothing new, at all.  It doesn't deserve so much attention...
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: stanski on April 25, 2005, 09:49:36 PM
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The only reason it gets attention is because Nick started to use it, and for some reason people try to emulate nick in every aspect....

I agree, it's nothing new, at all.  It doesn't deserve so much attention...
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.


You're right, when he started using sarge easter, EVERYONE wanted to use sarge easter. People still ask about it because of him and robert smith, they are probably the 2 single reasons people have even heard of it.
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stanski
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: Doug Sterner on April 25, 2005, 09:50:06 PM
My buddy had a ball drilled like this a long time ago...it was a Power Torq!!!! He called the drilling "pin weight" since it put the pin in grip center and teh cg between the pin and PAP.

The ball was very smooth and arcy for him.

How about it bluedothooks? Any input???
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Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY

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Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on April 25, 2005, 10:09:38 PM
Sean, we aren't talking about you...There were tweeners and strokers on here who wanted to use sarge just because they saw that nick used it.  I don't think stanski or I have problems with you, or others who SHOULD use it.  I don't think you use sarge or rico simply because you saw someone use it, right?  I'm sure you actually thought about what would be best for you, which turns out to be sarge.  And rico is good for high rev players trying to control their ball.  My point is, there are very few players on here like nick or you, but EVERYONE wants to have a sarge easter ball drilled rico1 now even if it's completely wrong for them.
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: stanski on April 25, 2005, 10:13:44 PM
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Sean, we aren't talking about you...There were tweeners and strokers on here who wanted to use sarge just because they saw that nick used it.  I don't think stanski or I have problems with you, or others who SHOULD use it.  I don't think you use sarge or rico simply because you saw someone use it, right?  I'm sure you actually thought about what would be best for you, which turns out to be sarge.  And rico is good for high rev players trying to control their ball.  My point is, there are very few players on here like nick or you, but EVERYONE wants to have a sarge easter ball drilled rico1 now even if it's completely wrong for them.
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.


Exactly, that was my point, that the drill is only good for certain players and is just one of many in a series of drills out there that give specific ball reactions. Strokers with inverted full roller tracks should not be using this drilling!
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stanski
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: tburky on April 25, 2005, 10:16:49 PM
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My buddy had a ball drilled like this a long time ago...it was a Power Torq!!!! He called the drilling "pin weight" since it put the pin in grip center and teh cg between the pin and PAP.

The ball was very smooth and arcy for him.

How about it bluedothooks? Any input???
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Doug Sterner
Doug's Pro Shop
Owego, NY


A lot of people used this layout in the Columbia Power Torque...I did and it rolled really awesome. I am glad that people like this layout and it is good for people that want to know have the knowledge to understand what this layout is about.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: BowlersAidProShop-Wells on April 26, 2005, 12:08:55 AM
I still say your horrible though.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: BrunsNick on April 26, 2005, 02:39:55 AM
Rico Himself might get his feelings hurt about this post... and who will have to be their to console him... yeah thats right, ME.

THANKS!

*looks around for some tissue for Ric*
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: LuckyLefty on April 26, 2005, 10:42:21 AM
I agree with .........drumroll please.......

BrunsRich!

REgards,

Luckylefty
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on April 26, 2005, 10:45:43 AM
Heaven forbid us to formulate a way to try a new layout that helps us become better bowlers.  This is near the top of the list of things that require a "go to hell" type of response?  There's plenty of folks around these parts taht have close to ball reps and touring players and that's where the lion's share of the new drilling and tech data are perfected.  So, if all you have to do with your miserable existence is complain about some folks stopping by to share and exchange some of their own bowling knowledge based on the first hand accounts with equipment, layouts, drilling, etc., then pack up your computers and go to the lanes for you must be one of the best bowlers on tour and cannot possibly get any better.
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Pain is weakness leaving the body.

Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: BrunsNick on April 26, 2005, 12:22:20 PM
I'm gonna start working on a RICO2 layout... or maybe the OPTIONS layout for the new BVP and/or Zone...

Like a mad scientist, MUAHAHHAHAHH!!!
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: livespive on April 26, 2005, 12:27:04 PM
lol,

I'll stick with the 315 LMAO
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Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: DP3 on April 26, 2005, 12:57:51 PM
Nick, I already beat you to the "Rico2" layout lol, but it acted kinda funny.  I used a Stinger Lowflare with the Pin in the Palm, but the C.G up and right of the ring finger so I could put a large weighthole in the finger positive quadrant inside the VAL.  It flared about an inch but gave a nice hook-stop reaction.  It almost never carried when it got into the pocket though, lots of 8s, 10s and weak buckets.
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-DP3
Respect the Game
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on April 26, 2005, 03:06:50 PM
Wow, you guys COMPLETELY missed the point....The point is, this drill is NOTHING special that there should be more topics asking about this than ANYTHING else....The concept of putting the pin in palm is NOTHIGN new at all, so don't give me that crap.  The only difference rico makes is putting a weighthole, whoopdedoo...That isn't worth literally 6 or 7 threads per day about it.

You guys are taking this so personally and I have no idea why.  YOu can defend it all you want, but stanski is right, there is no need for there to be every other thread about "will rico1 work on ball -----".....It's a bit much.  You guys don't realize, we don't have ANYTHING against rico1, we just are tired of the fact it is talked about constantly, and everyone who shouldn't be using it wants to try it on everything they have.  If you looked from a completely outside perspective, you would think that this is the biggest breakthrough in bowling in the last 10 years (no exaggeration).
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.

Edited on 4/26/2005 3:34 PM
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: Ragnar on April 26, 2005, 03:08:45 PM
This whole deal makes me want to go drink beer at my favorite tavern, Rico's.

http://users.pullman.com/brians/palouse/pullman/ricos.html
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Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: bluedothooks on April 26, 2005, 03:16:27 PM
Mr. Sterner, you are correct. Pin in palm (aka pin weight) was an excellent drilling for wet/dry lanes with a hard arc. As someone else stated, many Power Torqs were drilled like this. Mine was, and I really liked it.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: BrunsNick on April 26, 2005, 04:04:06 PM
I will use a Funky layout on a new ball soon... we'll call it the RICKO1.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: Ragnar on April 26, 2005, 04:06:06 PM
OK, guys, what do you call this layout?  CG right of grip center, Pin stacked underneath, just right of thumb?
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"To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace."  (Tacitus)
"If one tells the truth, one is sure sooner or later to be found out. " (Wilde)
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: Easy10pins on April 26, 2005, 04:12:29 PM
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Wow, you guys COMPLETELY missed the point....The point is, this drill is NOTHING special that there should be more topics asking about this than ANYTHING else....The concept of putting the pin in palm is NOTHIGN new at all, so don't give me that crap.  The only difference rico makes is putting a weighthole, whoopdedoo...That isn't worth literally 6 or 7 threads per day about it.


It may not be anything new to you but I've only recently read about it on this site.  I prefer to ask my questions in PM though.  

I'll never understand why people feel the need to b!tch and whine about threads when all you have to do is NOT CLICK ON THEM.  Simple enough.
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Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on April 26, 2005, 04:14:25 PM
Quite frankly, if I skipped all the rico threads, I'd have nothing to read.  Nobody talks about anything else now.  I used to be able to answer questions like "what layout should I put".  Now, the only questions ever are "will rico work on this"....There isn't anything to answer anymore since everyone just wants to use rico....

But mainly, the thing that annoys me is that it's just a fad.  Someone used it, now EVERYONE wants to use it, even if they shouldn't.  Just like sarge easter a little while ago, that was the greatest thing ever.
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.

Edited on 4/26/2005 4:10 PM
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: stanski on April 26, 2005, 04:21:23 PM
Thank you andy for being the ONLY person to understand my point.

Can you just imagine someone going into a proshop, having no drilling knowledge, and saying "I want this ball with the pin in the grip center, cg at 45 degrees and weighthole 6 3/4 inches through the cg" and then the poor pro shop operator telling them that there is no need to use this drilling on the cake shot they are bowling on? I understand some of the more frequent users asking about this layout, but we have people on here who couldn't tell the difference if a pin was axis drilled or over the ring finger because they are so inconsistent (I.e. profile averages in the 160's, new bowlers) asking about this drilling.

Its true, I can just skip over the thread, but I find it annoying when I go into any forum and the first 6 threads every day are  "will rico work" or "what about rico."
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stanski
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: CharlieBrown on April 26, 2005, 05:28:16 PM
quote:
"will rico work"


No, Rico is very lazy, he stays at home and eats ice-cream all day.

 
quote:
"what about rico."


Well what about Rico?

 
quote:
I'M SICK OF RICO!!!


Jealousy will get you nowhere son.  Let Rico have his 15 minutes of fame.  It won't last.

J/K  


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The Angry Bowler

Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: bruns4life on April 26, 2005, 06:57:14 PM
Nick-
Maybe the next drilling we come up with, we should name it stanski. That way he won't be offended with the name.
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JG


Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: BrunsNick on April 26, 2005, 07:00:05 PM
Hahaha Jason...

Hey, about those hats, I'm out of them right now. Its going to be a pain to order more, because the guy I went thru quit the company!
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on April 26, 2005, 07:00:22 PM
quote:
Nick-
Maybe the next drilling we come up with, we should name it stanski. That way he won't be offended with the name.
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JG




LMAO!  hahaha.  That's a good idea.
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: bruns4life on April 26, 2005, 07:03:43 PM
Nick-
Yer Killin me!!!I need one of those hats. I'm gonna have some VISE taping knives made with !VIVA LA NACION! put on the back. AMEN!!!
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JG


Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: RSalas on April 26, 2005, 07:27:39 PM
quote:
I like the IDIOT 1, that way it can cover more than just a single poster.

Or Whiner 1.

Or PITA 1.


Cool!  I always wanted a layout named after me.  
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Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: stanski on April 27, 2005, 11:17:45 AM
Someone who doesn't use brunswick equipment eh? I give up....

I swear, if you name the next layout "stanski1," I will change my last name.
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stanski
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: BrunsNick on April 27, 2005, 02:45:51 PM
"I'VE HAD SUGAR..." <----- *dead* LOL!
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on April 27, 2005, 02:48:18 PM
Muahahaha, I know what to name my Bruiser layout now!  Stanski1!!  Hehehe...
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: Nails on April 27, 2005, 02:52:28 PM
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I like the IDIOT 1, that way it can cover more than just a single poster.

Or Whiner 1.

Or PITA 1.

Or Fill in the Blank 1, that way whoever needs a hug that day can use it.

No matter what the layout, someone will come on here and say, 'Ya know back in the day, I used that layout on a Black Beauty and my God it picked up the midlane. And then some genius put a weighthole in it and called his own-F**K'.

You guys want a rant, I'VE HAD SUGAR and Nick has seen that before it's UGLY.

It's one thing to have a layout named after you, it's another to know when to use it and how. Knowledge can be dangerous in the wrong hands or hand (get it-hand).

Everyone has there opinion, that is fine. If you don't like something in this section, go somewhere else. But I think it is hypocritical when you make posts in a forum that you don't even use that equipment.

If you don't like something, ignore it. I do it all the time. It's called LIFE.
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Pacific Northwest Product Specialist
Brunswick Bowling
Bruns Ric H AKA SeeGeeNomaddah

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More professionalism from the best Brunswick has to offer.  Sad.
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Telling it like it is.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: tburky on April 27, 2005, 03:54:01 PM
quote:
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The only reason it gets attention is because Nick started to use it, and for some reason people try to emulate nick in every aspect....

I agree, it's nothing new, at all.  It doesn't deserve so much attention...
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.


You're right, when he started using sarge easter, EVERYONE wanted to use sarge easter. People still ask about it because of him and robert smith, they are probably the 2 single reasons people have even heard of it.
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Sarge easter grip has been around for a long time before nick and robert smith used it.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: BrunsNick on April 27, 2005, 04:09:19 PM
Only difference is Robert Smith, or anyone before who has used the grip, never posted their input on BallReviews.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on April 27, 2005, 04:11:34 PM
quote:
Only difference is Robert Smith, or anyone before who has used the grip, never posted their input on BallReviews.
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Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢
Brunswick -=- PBA 03-05
¡Viva la nación de Brunswick!

Nick's pretty much right about that.  Seems like some people who are getting SO offended by all this, haven't even realized, this topic is only referring to Ballreviews.
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: stanski on June 13, 2005, 11:22:13 PM
This one needs a TTT
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stanski
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: DP3 on June 13, 2005, 11:23:45 PM
LMAO^^
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-DP3
Respect the Game
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: qstick777 on June 14, 2005, 08:02:54 AM
I have a plastic Rhino that I picked up from K-mart.  Will RICO1 work on this?

Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: CharlieBrown on June 14, 2005, 08:50:57 AM
Search

Is the search option so hard to use?

On edit, qstick777, my post is not aiming at you, but to a million other Rico posts that have poped up recently!
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The Angry Bowler



Edited on 6/14/2005 8:49 AM
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on June 14, 2005, 12:43:33 PM
quote:
This one needs a TTT
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stanski

But nobody ever explained to me what rico is.  Is it when you have the ring finger dropped so as to give more forward roll and less hook for high rpm players?  Would it go well with the sarge easter drilling, you know, the pin in palm one with the cg in the thumb postitive quadrant to induce a weighthole 6 3/4 inches from the pin?


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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: qstick777 on June 14, 2005, 03:10:46 PM
quote:
On edit, qstick777, my post is not aiming at you, but to a million other Rico posts that have poped up recently!



I know, I was just "trying" to be funny!  I looked and it really is ridiculous how many posts there are asking about RICO1!

I don't have enough hand to need any special drillings, plus I'm not a nut-hugger like the rest **runs and hides**
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on June 14, 2005, 03:20:45 PM
quote:
quote:
On edit, qstick777, my post is not aiming at you, but to a million other Rico posts that have poped up recently!



I know, I was just "trying" to be funny!  I looked and it really is ridiculous how many posts there are asking about RICO1!

I don't have enough hand to need any special drillings, plus I'm not a nut-hugger like the rest **runs and hides**

Yeah, you don't hug the apples, just the banana.

Oh crap I just made myself sick....
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: hookem on June 14, 2005, 03:38:22 PM
Reminds me of the good ole days when I could count on this site to keep me entertained while acting like I'm working.  When somebody would say "Brunswick is the best ever" and 87 people would bash it while 87 more would praise it.  Everyone's been so nice lately.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: a_ak57 on June 14, 2005, 03:40:23 PM
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Reminds me of the good ole days when I could count on this site to keep me entertained while acting like I'm working.  When somebody would say "Brunswick is the best ever" and 87 people would bash it while 87 more would praise it.  Everyone's been so nice lately.

It's because your an idiot!!  Brunswick is teh best evar!!!!!!!111one  Hahaha you loooser and your Storm crap!  Storm!  More like, uh, uh, Suck!  Hahahahahhahaha I made a funny!

You mean stuff like that?
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- Andy


Brunswick...........'nuff said.
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: hookem on June 14, 2005, 03:42:29 PM
precisely, lol
Title: Re: Rico Rant!
Post by: CharlieBrown on June 14, 2005, 03:46:58 PM
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Yeah, you don't hug the apples, just the banana.


You guys are killing me!
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The Angry Bowler