Post by: J_L_B on June 20, 2007, 05:57:25 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280126936183&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=018
Post by: its a condition on June 20, 2007, 02:56:57 PM
I'm sorry but this ebay thing looks really weird.....they can't be serious.
Post by: J_L_B on June 20, 2007, 03:38:11 PM
Just curious.....
Post by: its a condition on June 20, 2007, 04:05:19 PM
1) I think Missy looks great and doesn't need a makeover.
2) I understand the need for sponsorship and would jump right in if this were a straightforward sponsorship, but.....
3) and here's what I really don't get (but I'm not in the San Fernando Valley)...based on the photos, this looks like some attempt to merge soft porn and bowling, and Missy got caught in some sort of weird altered-universe cross-fire?
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Post by: northface28 on June 20, 2007, 04:31:51 PM
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Post by: J_L_B on June 20, 2007, 04:41:18 PM
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1) I think Missy looks great and doesn't need a makeover.
There is no doubt that in the "bowling world", Missy looks great. Society, however, sadly would consider her a "plain jane". We are attempting to bridge the gap between the "bowling world" and society in general, showing the world that bowlers are not fat, beer drinking, out-of-shape slobs. Missy is fully onboard with the concept and is excited about reaching a new audience.
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2) I understand the need for sponsorship and would jump right in if this were a straightforward sponsorship, but.....
3) and here's what I really don't get (but I'm not in the San Fernando Valley)...based on the photos, this looks like some attempt to merge soft porn and bowling, and Missy got caught in some sort of weird altered-universe cross-fire?
The pictures were taken during another video shoot that Missy took part in. Through a lucky contact, Missy was invited to go bowling with the Playboy Girls of Golf at a local bowling center. We feel like this video helps bridge the gap between the recreational bowling crowd (society) and the competitive bowling crowd.
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Post by: northface28 on June 20, 2007, 04:48:29 PM
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1) I think Missy looks great and doesn't need a makeover.
There is no doubt that in the "bowling world", Missy looks great. Society, however, sadly would consider her a "plain jane". We are attempting to bridge the gap between the "bowling world" and society in general, showing the world that bowlers are not fat, beer drinking, out-of-shape slobs. Missy is fully onboard with the concept and is excited about reaching a new audience.quote:
2) I understand the need for sponsorship and would jump right in if this were a straightforward sponsorship, but.....
3) and here's what I really don't get (but I'm not in the San Fernando Valley)...based on the photos, this looks like some attempt to merge soft porn and bowling, and Missy got caught in some sort of weird altered-universe cross-fire?
The pictures were taken during another video shoot that Missy took part in. Through a lucky contact, Missy was invited to go bowling with the Playboy Girls of Golf at a local bowling center. We feel like this video helps bridge the gap between the recreational bowling crowd (society) and the competitive bowling crowd.
She doesn't appear to be a fat, out-of-shape, beer drinking slob. Exactly what demographic are you trying to reach? Perverts and Johns? I'm confused. No offense, but most everyday women, when paired next to Playboy models will look like "plain Janes". However, I must say deft marketing strategy.
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Post by: DanH78 on June 20, 2007, 04:49:10 PM
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Whats the matter with the way she looks now? If she wants to get "dolled" up like some hooker it shouldn't be with someone else's coin.
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It appears to be a joint marketing venture. She's trying to promote herself, in the hopes of getting herself exposure so she can get new and bigger sponsors to pursue her professional bowling career and at the same time promote a new bowling site, Youbowl.com (if you read through the pdf link in the Ebay listing it goes into greater detail)
You're not paying for her to be "dolled up like some hooker" you're paying for the costs associated with shooting, editing and distributing a video.
Last I checked, the makeover shows had a huge audience, several times larger than the bowling audience.
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Post by: Rileybowler on June 20, 2007, 04:49:33 PM
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Post by: Xfest on June 20, 2007, 04:52:07 PM
Come on.. A bowler starring in her own video.. lol
Post by: Xfest on June 20, 2007, 04:55:34 PM
Post by: northface28 on June 20, 2007, 04:57:05 PM
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Whats the matter with the way she looks now? If she wants to get "dolled" up like some hooker it shouldn't be with someone else's coin.
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Make history or sit back and watch it. -EV
It appears to be a joint marketing venture. She's trying to promote herself, in the hopes of getting herself exposure so she can get new and bigger sponsors to pursue her professional bowling career and at the same time promote a new bowling site, Youbowl.com (if you read through the pdf link in the Ebay listing it goes into greater detail)
You're not paying for her to be "dolled up like some hooker" you're paying for the costs associated with shooting, editing and distributing a video.
Last I checked, the makeover shows had a huge audience, several times larger than the bowling audience.
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Since the makeover shows have a huge following there should be no problem ponying up the funds for the "video". I think her bowling skills should be enough in and of itself, unfortunately thats not the society we live in. Take the same girl, get her in a busty top, pants so tight they look as if they were painted on, and some make-up. Her career takes flight? Its not right or wrong per say, it just is. As I stated before, very clever marketing.
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Post by: J_L_B on June 20, 2007, 05:00:53 PM
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She doesn't appear to be a fat, out-of-shape, beer drinking slob. Exactly what demographic are you trying to reach? Perverts and Johns? I'm confused. No offense, but most everyday women, when paired next to Playboy models will look like "plain Janes". However, I must say deft marketing strategy.
I wasn't alluding that Missy herself is any of those things. But if you ask any person on the street what the common stereotypes of bowlers are, then all of those things would be true.
We are simply presenting Missy to an audience outside of the competitive bowling world.
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This looks more like a paid advertisement of the new internet site that is constantly being mentioned in the ad.
Missy is a partner of YouBowl.com. Ebay is a very inexpensive way to promote the video and possibly gain sponsorships.
Post by: DanH78 on June 20, 2007, 05:10:50 PM
I didn't see where they said they were going to make her look like a porn star. Lia Montelongo is an actress and fitness model. I'm guessing they'll give her a new hairstyle, give her a little make up and put her in an outfit that accentuates her positives.
Times have changed and this is a valid way for people to raise money for various activities. I don't see how this is any different than receiving a bank loan or going to investors. You need to get creative sometimes.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 20, 2007, 05:12:22 PM
I don't think she needs a makeover.
On a side note, who are all these strippers who are hanging out with her on the eBay pictures? Is this like Extreme Porn Makeover? If so I guess it would be interesting. I am not sure what it has to do with bowling though...
I realize I may be missing the point here but this is just a random thought from a person who clicked on the link. I kind of get what you are saying in terms of giving bowling a better image, but it more seems depressing to me to think that this girl can't be good enough representing bowling the way she already is. Everything in our society is so superficial and fake as it is. I like bowling because people bowl because they like it, not because it is fashionable or trendy.
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Post by: its a condition on June 20, 2007, 05:19:27 PM
Post by: a_ak57 on June 20, 2007, 05:23:46 PM
Anyways, what a fiery topic. Here's my 2 cents. As a personal venture, I don't see anything wrong. Getting some publicity and a makeover is nice especially if it opens some doors for her future. As the excuse of promoting bowling, I have to call BS. Taking an average person and making them look better won't dissolve the fat drunken slob image. To do that, you must take all the fat drunken slobs and give *them* the makeover, i.e. get 'em fit and sober. I have no problem with what Missy is doing for herself, in fact it's clever, but I do chuckle at the notion that it will provide some greater good.
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Post by: Derek on June 20, 2007, 05:34:09 PM
she is a plain jane....she is cute....but is a plain jane...
i wouldn't consider striking starlet to be anything porn related...but that's just me...
in all the makeover shows i've watched on tv....i've never seen anybody turn out like a "porn star"...she'll probably just get a tan....or new hairdo....and a new wardrobe...
could be good for bowling...hey...hot chicks bowl too...not just ugly nascar loving ones.
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 20, 2007, 05:46:31 PM
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Taking an average person and making them look better won't dissolve the fat drunken slob image.
This is true. Seriously, I have actually made a point to analyze the image of bowling compared to what I actually see. I just don't see the stereotype as being real out there in competitive bowling. These people who are excellent bowlers are also fit and they are usually good representatives of the sport on their own right.
Also I am wondering about something. This video will play on youbowl.com? So the people watching it will be bowlers? Bowlers already know the stereotype isn't true so you aren't going to change their minds. The only way to change the outside perception is to let the public become more and more aware of the reality that already exists. I think getting makeovers is all fine and good, but this whole presentation just seems sad to me. Like maybe selling out or something?
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We are going to turn her into a bowling bimbo, tune in to see the incredible transformation as we take a pro bowling homebody house mouse and turn her into a high class bowling bimbo.
Yeah, that's kind of the impression I got. Just being honest. Now, I love bimbos don't get me wrong... I just hate to see this sort of superficial stuff applied to the thing I love and spend so much time doing.
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Post by: J_L_B on June 20, 2007, 05:57:41 PM
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Also I am wondering about something. This video will play on youbowl.com? So the people watching it will be bowlers?
The site will target bowlers of all skill level, with most of the focus being on recreational bowlers, the demographic that is actually growing in the bowling world.
Recreational bowlers will most likely enjoy the makeover video, seeing the entertainment side of it rather than the bowling side of it.
Post by: DanH78 on June 20, 2007, 06:23:59 PM
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They said (not me,) "We are all for marketing anyone in sport worth marketing, but for you and bowling, it might harm the sport more to shine a light on it." Unfortunately I thinks this is still the case.
I don't understand that statement. It would hurt bowling to put you out there because you're attractive?
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Post by: DON DRAPER on June 20, 2007, 07:48:47 PM
kimbo, it's been a while since you posted on this website...how have you been ? what are you doing career-wise these days ? dare i say, you are still one of the best looking women i've seen in my life. good luck in the future !
Post by: J_L_B on June 20, 2007, 08:13:13 PM
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missy is a great player.....it's too bad the world can't accept her for being a great bowler and leave it at that.
Greg, there's no doubt the "bowling world" sees her as a great player.
The world outside of bowling, on the other hand, has never heard of her.
If we just "leave it at that", then in our opinion, the outside world is missing out on a great story of dedication, passion and personality.
Missy, and other accomplished bowlers out there like her, are already praised in the bowling community. It's about time they are at least given the opportunity to reach outside of that community....
Post by: Leftyhi-trak on June 20, 2007, 10:08:51 PM
Post by: Joeyd on June 21, 2007, 11:58:25 AM
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Please delete and repost in the correct forum asap or I will ask for it to be removed all together.
While you're at it, maybe you should ask the BR staff to delete your signature which promotes another website...
Congrats to Missy on her regional success!!
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 21, 2007, 01:14:31 PM
Another interesting contradiction is that the youbowl website is all about the individuality of the people who are supposed to be blogging on the site and then here is this person getting "fixed" by a squad of strippers who swoop in and save her from her played out normal-looking human being existence. The images convey that she will be transformed into another plastic looking L.A. movie star wannabe.
One thing I don't get about marketing is that even if you have a plain Jane (which I am not saying she is), there are a lot of plain Janes out there to market to. They have money they want to spend also.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 21, 2007, 02:13:36 PM
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from Fluff E Bunnie -- "...On a side note, who are all these strippers who are hanging out with her on the eBay pictures? Is this like Extreme Porn Makeover? If so I guess it would be interesting. I am not sure what it has to do with bowling though..."
Again, the ladies in the pix with Missy -- most of them -- are the Playboy Girls of Golf (http://www.playboygolf.com). The one with the mic is Lia Montelongo (http://www.ameliamontelongo.com, who is the spokesperson/spokesmodel for YouBowl and not affiliated with Playboy. All of the ladies are professionals in their own right -- and one actually is in law school --
A lot of strippers strip to put themselves through school. I have no problem with that and I fully support the stripping industry.
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and to suggest them to be strippers and porn-affiliated ironically mirrors the image issue that bowling experiences in the broader public consciousness.
Hey, there is enough irony in this whole promotion without pointing out my ironic humor! I was obviously being sarcastic about actually calling them strippers, but I didn't have my sarcasm tags on. Sorry... The politically correct thing to say would have been: [sarcasm]Who are all of these girls who LOOK like strippers or like they are affiliated with the porn industry.[/sarcasm]
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In looking within yourself and the manner in which you perceive and export perceptions, you'll find yourself uniquely positioned to appreciate the challenge that bowling has ahead of it. YouBowl, as is youself apparently, is not blind to this reality.
In looking within myself, I see everyone complaining about bowling losing its integrity and instead of celebrating this person winning the regional we are making her over. Next on Extra, Lindsay Lohan is out of rehab and we have the pics! EX-TRA!
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Post by: LilMisBwlr on June 21, 2007, 05:14:33 PM
As Bill and John previously mentioned, YouBowl is targeting the only growing sector of bowlers - the recreational bowlers. This crowd is not interested in watching competitive bowling or talking solely about the sport. So we have devised various projects, i.e. the makeover video, to further spark interest and get people more excited about bowling.
Everyone in the bowling industry realizes that we are losing league and competitive bowlers. However, if we are able to entice the recreational crowd to get more excited about the sport, then hopefully we could start seeing an increase in league bowlers instead of the depressing decreases of late.
We all love bowling and we all want to see the sport flourish. YouBowl and the makeover video is trying to accomplish this through creative means and unique concepts.
As far as the makeover video goes, it's going to be conducted just as any other makeover show - hair, makeup, new wardrobe. The sponsorship of the video is going into the production costs, not paying for the haircut, makeup, etc. We already have vendors who are donating their services to pay for this.
As most of you know, makeover shows are very popular and we trying to bring that popularity and associate it with bowling, thus bridging the gap between bowling and the recreational bowling crowd.
Again thank you for all of the input!
~Missy Bellinder
Post by: DanH78 on June 21, 2007, 05:25:52 PM
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First, I'd like to thank everyone for all of the comments and suggestions regarding the makeover project. We will take all of these into account as we further our endeavors with the makeover project and other projects affiliated with YouBowl.
As Bill and John previously mentioned, YouBowl is targeting the only growing sector of bowlers - the recreational bowlers. This crowd is not interested in watching competitive bowling or talking solely about the sport. So we have devised various projects, i.e. the makeover video, to further spark interest and get people more excited about bowling.
Everyone in the bowling industry realizes that we are losing league and competitive bowlers. However, if we are able to entice the recreational crowd to get more excited about the sport, then hopefully we could start seeing an increase in league bowlers instead of the depressing decreases of late.
We all love bowling and we all want to see the sport flourish. YouBowl and the makeover video is trying to accomplish this through creative means and unique concepts.
As far as the makeover video goes, it's going to be conducted just as any other makeover show - hair, makeup, new wardrobe. The sponsorship of the video is going into the production costs, not paying for the haircut, makeup, etc. We already have vendors who are donating their services to pay for this.
As most of you know, makeover shows are very popular and we trying to bring that popularity and associate it with bowling, thus bridging the gap between bowling and the recreational bowling crowd.
Again thank you for all of the input!
~Missy Bellinder
A) Well said
B) Congrats on the win
C) Good Luck with the video and the Youbowl endeavor
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Post by: its a condition on June 21, 2007, 05:48:44 PM
Call me crazy, but I'd just like to see videos of you bowling on the youbowl site - but that's probably why I'm part of a fringe minority of bowling fanatics.
Just one word of advice - if you see anything that looks like a stripper-pole at the photo shoot, RUN!!!
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on June 21, 2007, 07:23:19 PM
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hopefully we could start seeing an increase in league bowlers instead of the depressing decreases of late.
Well, here's hoping...
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Post by: Leftyhi-trak on June 21, 2007, 09:01:55 PM
I read through your full promotional and great you have a plan. As one shucking out dough, where is the interest being shown to Missy outside of you using her as your promotional tool? Does she have a large enough fan base to draw interest? I know by hitting all the major internet sites you are setting feelers to see if you have any bites or at least where you interest is best drawn from. What demographic watch women's makeovers, what % of that group actively or recreationally hit the bowling market? What % of the active market follow the PBA or even realize the regional PBA level? Please don't get me wrong your idea has a shot and hopefully its a hit for Missy and you also. I just don't see the "wow factor" or enough of the "human interest" level to draw the crowd.
Missy,
Good luck in your promotion and also on the lanes.