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Struggling MIGHTILY
« on: March 30, 2010, 11:27:20 AM »
ok so ive been bowling for a few months serious, i started fall/winter of last year and have been trying to improve my game. I started out with a Brunswick power groove and now that i look back i honestly dont know why i got a new ball. because i had just started doing well with it a couple months ago with a high series of 679 and high game of 258. ever since then my game has been going downhill. my average right now is 174, and im using a morich solid levRG.

the ball is fine if you hit your mark, but i find that if i push it out to like 15-17 or whatever on accident, it WILL NOT  come back under any circumstance, unless i chicken wing it or something, which is extremely frustrating. i can't even begin to tell you how man 1,3,4's ive left. when this happens i just turn around and walk away without even looking at the result, because i know i missed. not only that, i cannot find a good line with the ball, and i cant get any sort of consistency. maybe the ball is just less forgiving than the power groove and i'm just really bad/inconsistent.

i got a coaching session and the guy from the proshop said my revrate is low, around 225. however a couple of times i threw a pretty bad ball so maybe its a little higher? i don't know. lately ive been trying to come straight up and through at the release rather than put too much hand in it.. its working somewhat but now my speeds down to like 11mph in league, usually open bowling im around 13-15

basically i'd like to know what kind of ball would be best for me at this point in time.. seems like the morich solid levrg might be too advanced for me.. i cant get any sort of consistency out of it.

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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 07:31:44 PM »
Any reason why you are not going back to the Power Groove?  You said yourself you started doing really well with that ball.  Go back to it and see if it gets you back to where you were.  Problem, I think, is that the ball you drilled just does not match up to the lane conditions you are bowling on and it has forced you into bad habits (chicken winging).  Go back to the Power Groove first and then go from there because there is a HUGE gap between what you were using and what you are trying to use now.
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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 07:35:10 PM »
Also.....your ball speed is pretty low (11 mph) so I am not sure why the pro shop guy even agreed to drill the Solid LevRg.  That ball is probably rolling at your feet and dying before it gets to the back part of the lane resulting is bad ball reaction.  If you wanted something better than what you had, you should have just stepped into something like a Freeze or Boom.  I think that other ball is just too much for your ball speed and possibly the lane condition you are using it on.
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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 07:36:09 PM »
problem is i tried using the power groove and it seems so weak compared with the levRG, its not aggressive at all maybe because i had been throwing it a lot slower? not really sure.. i threw it the other day and was realllly uncomfortable with it..

seems like with the levRG i absolutely must chase the oil or else it just does not react at all..

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 07:49:55 PM »
didnt see your post

i mean i think in league it was 11mph because i was experimenting with the better release and stuff.. usually its 13-15.. but yeah it dies at the back end unless im over the second arrow and MAYBE the third, but usually it hits real light in that case.

who makes the freeze and boom?

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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2010, 07:49:56 PM »
You have only been bowling for a few months and you are complaining about a 174 average? That is very good if you ask me, I think you need to get a coach take some lessons and work on your game, if you think you should be able to miss your target by a few boards and still strike then you're wrong. Take it a step at a time and learn don't worry about score or average so much just get the basics and learn to repeat and you'll be better for it
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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2010, 07:59:47 PM »
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didnt see your post

i mean i think in league it was 11mph because i was experimenting with the better release and stuff.. usually its 13-15.. but yeah it dies at the back end unless im over the second arrow and MAYBE the third, but usually it hits real light in that case.

who makes the freeze and boom?



The Freeze is a Columbia release and the Boom is a Ebonite release.  Typically, you dont want to make that big a jump in bowling ball strength.  Yes, the Power Groove is going to be really weak in comparison to the LevRg.  If your rev rate is only 225, you dont have the rev rate to get into the heavier oil and get any ball reaction.  You are a stroker that needs to stay towards the track area (second arrow) and find a ball that will match your game instead of trying to match your game to the ball.  Sounds like if you want another ball, you need something designed to get down the lane and give you some backend reaction.  You simply dont have the ball speed for something high end.  Step into the $130-140 retail area (Freeze, Boom, Vibe).  But I agree with Riley.  Get your pro shop operator on the lane with you and tighten that arm swing and release and then go from there.
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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2010, 08:07:02 PM »
appreciate the feedback

i wouldnt be dissapointed its just ive been bowling bad for 2 months.. for instance i open bowled today and rolled a stellar 99,144,166, and a 93.. lol it was frustrating

at two hand, i got a lesson from the pro shop guy and he was telling me my timing was off and that i wasn't sliding on my left foot..more like planting.. so those are the two things i've been working on.. except for the life of me i CANNOT get my foot to slide, giving me more power.. immediately after the lesson i implemented it and rolled 234 with 15 mph.. now its all awkward and im all off balance.. any way to fix that?

just feel like my mechanics are terrible and basically change with each throw..

sorry for the long winded responses, and thanks for taking the time to discuss

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« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2010, 08:24:04 PM »
Not a problem.  I enjoy helping people out.  The main thing is PRACTICE!!!!  Anything that is new is going to feel wrong.  It just takes practice and more practice.  Soon, this thing called muscle memory will kick in and eventually you will get better.  Instead of bowling a league this summer, use it as a time to tune your game and get ready for the upcoming season.  Is there anyway that you could post a video of yourself on here?  That way, we can watch what you are doing and possibly recommend some things to help you out.
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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2010, 08:42:11 PM »
i will definitely try to do that

i can really only get out to the alley a couple times a week, last semester i was practicing a lot more maybe 4-5 times a week, maybe that had something to do with my not progressing as fast as i would like..... also i'm using a 15lb when my power groove is 14.. maybe going back to a 14 lb ball would be better.

what kinds of things should i do in practice? a guy at the front desk whom im good friends with said that i should be practicing 10pins a lot.. but mostly i just bowl a lot, and fast.. for instance last week after league i bowled like 7 games in a row lol

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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2010, 10:01:29 PM »
Something to consider for your levrg is asking the proshop guy about adding some polish to the ball. It will give it a little more skid snap similar to your power groove only more aggressive.

My style is nothing like your, but my levrg out of the box is dull and didn't match up well for the conditions I normally face. After adding some polish it gave the ball more length and more snap on the back end. Where as before it went into a roll early and had little movement on the backends. If I missed right it wouldn't recover because it lost all of its energy to early.

Something cheap and easy to consider trying with your Morich ball.
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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2010, 10:22:48 PM »
Dont take this the wrong way. But to me your key phrase in this is "the ball is fine if you hit your mark"  that is kind of a big deal. The key to bowling is hitting your mark and being consistent. Yes you want to get as much room as you can but still you have to hit your mark.

It sounds like you got almost an over under reaction. But you got to remember over under is all human error. its the one of or a combo of: wrong ball, wrong surface, wrong speed, wrong axis rotation, wrong part of the lane, etc.

Another ball would help build confidence by giving your a better reaction but you should work on hitting your mark more in my opinion.
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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2010, 11:57:31 PM »
Is your pro shop guy a USBC Certified coach That would be my 1st question.
There are a lot of guys who think they are a coach but are not even close.
If he is have him work only on 1 or 2 things at a time to many change's will mess you up even more to much to think about. If he is not go on www.bowl.com and look under your state and find a certified coach. I listened to many different people until I found the right coach. I now Only work with Ron Hatfield Or Fred Borden both Gold Coach's. I am a cert Silver and I want to learn from the best ever and that is Mr. Fred Borden. Also go to Fred's web  site  www.mybowlingcoach.com he has Clinics all over the USA Worth every penny. Fred and Ron have improved my house ave 22 pins to 225 and my sport ave 15pins to 206 still working on the sport ave. The house improvement only took one full weekend of work  still Working the Sport I see Ron or Fred once to twice a year.  Hope this helps and never give up.

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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2010, 05:34:04 AM »
thanks for all the support, i will respond individually more later, its 630 am here and im kind of out of it.. however.. i looked for my coach at bowl.com and he is certified silver.. gregg t helms (bylocation: north carolina) like i said before, he did only advise me to work on a couple things at a time and those things were sliding and timing with my pushaway.. i feel like im still planting and i think thats a huge part of the problem.

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Re: Struggling MIGHTILY
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2010, 01:56:00 AM »
quote:
Any reason why you are not going back to the Power Groove?  You said yourself you started doing really well with that ball.  Go back to it and see if it gets you back to where you were.


+1. Besides, I would not recommend a ball like a Morich LevRG (even if it is "just" the rather harmless Solid) to a beginner. These balls need a proper playing technique, and can easily react just like junk if you do not match up well with it or the lane conditions. While it is not a massive step up from the Power Groove (it has a PK18 solid cover, much like the Avalanche Solid but with a much beefier core), It is IMHO a bad ball choice to start with. Something like a Python or Rattler, or a Fast from Storm should have been better choices.
I'd also suggest to move back to the PG and check your fundamentals. If you can sort this out, I'd worry about the ball - in the "best" case it just is not good for the lane condition you face, so you might try it in other houses, too, just to be sure. But I'd rather think that it is the human factor...
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