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BrunsBob

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Summer Ball Talk
« on: July 28, 2006, 01:40:50 AM »
Hello All,

  I just want to share a few things about how we came about our ball releases for this summer. There have been way to many negative responses on here to let rumors continue. We don't normally share business practices on forums like this, but there are some things that can be mentioned that might help all of you understand our position.

  First and foremost is our move to Mexico for production. I will not discuss the whys, just the effects on production this summer. With our move we will now begin manufacturing our own cores instead of having them made for us. Our R & D team, on top of trying to design balls, has spent the past year designing a core production room, so any advancements in cores had to be put on hold for the time being due to lack of time. Because of this, it was necessary for us to continue to use cores that we knew were already proven and that we could still have made for us as needed until the day comes that we are actually in production of our own cores.

  That brings me to the actual balls we released. First, the Wizard. Yes, it was designed to specifically replace the Nemisis, which we felt was a great performance that just needed updating so shops could have something new and fresh to sell. They asked for it and we delivered. With that being said, we still feel that we see a slight difference in ball reaction, most likely due to color change. Second, the Red Zone. We felt this line needed a new look cosmetically and we felt we could create a reaction similar to the successful Zone Classic, yet keep it in a solid coverstock with more versatility. Again, we feel the color change has affected the reaction of this ball compared to a Strike Zone with the cover shined to copy that of the Red. Both balls reactions look terrific, and the success stories still pour in on a weekly basis. On top of that, Pro Shops are pleased that we gave them 2 good looking balls with catchy names that are easily marketable.

  Then there is the Radical, our first ball to come out of Mexico only. Again we stuck with a core that we have proven and that we are able to tweak to create RG and Diff numbers that worked well with our new coverstock. The Octane coverstock is an Activator base material that we advanced so much that we could not manufacture it in Muskegon with the older machinery. We have worked on this cover for a few years, just couldn't run with it yet, until now. I think this ball, with it's extreme versatility in coverstock, will be the hit release of the season. We experimented with this ball at the Mini-Eliminator tournament with all styles of bowlers, using a multitude of surface changes and layouts. Most impressive thing was that no matter how much we dulled it down for the oily conditions, it never burned up early on the pattern. It was still clean through the front with even better midlane reaction and strong on the back. That's hard to create with a dull surface, and it was not just because of the amount of oil on the lanes. Some guys were still able to use the ball shiny on the same lanes with success. We were able to match each ball up to each bowler to create the reaction needed. On top of that, it was our first ball ever to be a combination of more than 2 colors. I think we came up with a great color with our first ball to use this new technology.

  I hope most of you did not feel we were dodging the questions about the Wizard and Red Zone just being the same balls re-released under new names and looks. We felt we answered those questions when asked....not attacked. We try not to discuss the specifics of our business on these boards, we just hoped that the balls would speak for themselves. There are numerous factors that go into each and every new release, and we do not want to share all that information on public forums. Believe me, we knew these balls would not be for everyone, they never are. We just knew what shops wanted and what bowlers could have success with and we made them.

  As the months go on, and production in Mexico gets to full force, you will see new and exciting technology from us. We knew this would be a very difficult transition to make while still continuing to stick to our scheduled releases. We are very pleased to say that we hit these hurdles in full stride and met our objectives......now we move forward in a very strong way.

  Thank You very much to all the loyalists that have stuck by us and defended our honor during this transition. And to all the naysayers, we apologize for any discomfort and confusion we have caused you. We want to help every bowler out there, but we will not respond to negative attacks made in such childish manners on these forums. We feel it is very unprofessional to do so.

Regards,

  Robert Lawrence
  Product Specialist - SW
  Brunswick Bowling - Consumer Division


Edited on 7/28/2006 9:59 AM

 

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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2006, 10:02:52 AM »
I'm not a fan nor a hater, but I'd like to thank the Brunswick staff for continuing to post and provide information here, especially with the recent rash of hecklers.
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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2006, 10:26:43 AM »
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With our move we will now begin manufacturing our own cores instead of having them made for us.


Interesting.  I didn't know you didn't make your own cores.  Will the new core production equipment allow you to make multi-density cores?  I've noticed that pretty much every core you've had in recent memory has been single-density, not a lot of flip blocks or attached parts (a la Morpheus).  I'm not sure what the benefits or drawbacks are to multi-density cores (aside from the fact that they can't be machined out of a solid block of stuff and are more expensive), I'm just curious.

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advanced so much that we could not manufacture it in Muskegon with the older machinery.


Kinda begs the question of how you made it in the first place.  

I'm glad you guys are here, you bring not only a wealth of knowledge about the sport and its equipment but also a unique perspective to many of the questions that you answer.  We get not only the normal pro-shop knowledge that so many of the drillers here have but also insight into the PBA and the benefit of knowing not only what worked, ball-wise, but what didn't (and thus didn't get released in the first place).

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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2006, 10:52:26 AM »
Thanks Robert, we appreciate your candor.

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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2006, 11:59:36 AM »
Bravo Brunsbob.  Thank you for the information.

*pre-orders Radical Inferno, hopes BrunsRicH can come back to show me how to use it*

BTW, for those that asked, I am not affiliated with Brunswick.  I changed my name to BrunsRod (formerly known as Easy10pins) because I simply love Brunswick bowling equipment.  From my Gold and Teal Rhinos to my StrikeZone; it is all I will ever use.


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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2006, 01:03:12 PM »
Summer Ball Talk kind of sounds like a cute summer camp where we can sit around and play truth or dare and pillow fight.

Anyway, yeah you shouldn't respond to childish attacks.  It doesn't look good for a company rep to engage in a flamewar on a forum.  

But seriously, don't worry about causing 'discomfort and confusion' because people can and will always just buy another company's equipment.  It's not like people are running around in pain and confusion because they don't like a particular bowling line.  Well maybe if they are these 'loyalists' you speak of.

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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2006, 01:10:57 PM »
I am one of those loyalists.

I'll always buy from Brunswick, because I know what goes into making each ball.

Did you read that? They've been planning this ball for years, thats what I love about Big B, its about planning, and not just the latest "fad".

It's hard not to support a company thats as competitive in the industry as the bowlers that use their equipment.

I applaud you Brunswick and Brunswick Reps, keep up the good work.

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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2006, 01:15:37 PM »
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I am one of those loyalists.

I'll always buy from Brunswick, because I know what goes into making each ball.

Did you read that? They've been planning this ball for years, thats what I love about Big B, its about planning, and not just the latest "fad".

It's hard not to support a company thats as competitive in the industry as the bowlers that use their equipment.

I applaud you Brunswick and Brunswick Reps, keep up the good work.

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What is the latest fad anyway?
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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2006, 01:38:18 PM »
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What is the latest fad anyway?




Multi-colored balls.
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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2006, 02:04:36 PM »
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You know what I have to say to this? Thank you! I only wish other comanys woudl be as upfrount and honest as you. Storm does this all the time and no one says any thing. All the sudden you guys try it and get attacked. Rename every thing I dont care as long as they strike I will buy them. I wave seen the zone classic, and strike zone roll and from what I saw of the red zone it looked great and very different in the reaction catagory. Buy the way I am a big foot ball fan so I love the name Red Zone. This has been the only zone (other than the black ice) that I have been thanking about picking up. great job Brunswick!



Oh is that the naysaying?  Why shouldn't they revamp their stuff?  I mean if something isn't selling for whatever reason but it works just fine, why not revamp the look of it and see if it sells?

Personally, I like it if a ball company keeps their stuff out as long as it is useful.  If you have to rename it and redesign the look of it, no problem.

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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2006, 02:25:52 PM »
See. This is the reason I like Brunswick. They are always up-front and reliable with sources.

I do not totally agree with the move to Mexico, but its what the company desided. I used to be an all Brunswick man, to all Track man, then back to throwing whatever. Brunswick has a great company and can design a great ball. Lets just hope moving down to Mexico does not lower the ball quality.
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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2006, 02:27:58 PM »
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Lets just hope moving down to Mexico does not lower the ball quality.



So... many jokes...  Must be... politically correct.

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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2006, 02:53:58 PM »
Hey, I've been out of the loop for a while . . what's the coverstock on the Radical?  Pearl, solid, or particle?  Also, saw the Wizard in action in the hands of a friend who had one drilled the other day and averages 230+  300 the first game, 794 for 3, 1062 for 4, sanctioned.  There is a smallish difference in reaction in the Wizard and Nemesis.  The Wizard's hook potential seems to be a little less than the Nemesis through the front and mids, and while the Nemesis, in my experience, seemed to be rather angular for a solid, the Wizard smooths the breakpoint slightly, but maintains the hard arc, drive, and hit of the Nemesis, with total hook being very close.  My friend would have had the front 19, but left a solid 8 (righthanded) in the 4th of the second game.  It's rather easy to get good reads off equipment differences from this guy, he's a control cranker, and everything from Brunswick is clean and easily readable, so it really enhances the illustrations of the ball reactions.  The Wizard looks to be a nice improvement on the Nemesis.  He's also getting a Red Zone soon, so I'll let everyone know how it looks.  As soon as the Radical releases, he'll also be getting one of those (and I will too, hopefully).

As a side note, I think it's kind of stupid how people keep attacking Brunswick, when they're one of the more honest companies out there.  Unlike other companies who try to market every single ball as the newest greatest thing whether they're obviously just updating or improving old technology, Brunswick will let you know exactly what they're doing as far as what ball they're improving on, and what differences they were going for.  While some people have to have the newest thing, I think it's great to have a company that will continue to research and develop new technology while still taking something that works and improving upon it.  Everyone has that ball that's been discontinued for years that they wish they could find again.  Brunswick kind of does that by using older coverstocks on new BVP balls, and there is absolutely no better midprice line to be found.  I think it's also very professional for such a large company to address the piddly little complaints of people completely ignorant to the bowling business as a whole on a small, virtually insignificant website (and note that I'm not saying that everyone who has a complaint is ignorant . . I'm talking about the morons who don't have constructive criticism).  If everyone at Brunswick is as passionate as Rick Benoit (who I get a chance to chat with from time to time during the summer while he's in town), I can see how it would be very disappointing to them all to work so hard just to have items still in development leaked and critiqued before they have a chance to present the finished product.  Put yourself in their position before you're so quick to speak next time . .
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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2006, 02:55:37 PM »
Brunswick moves to Mexico and the Milwaukee Brewers add "El Picante" the Chorizo to the Sausage Race. Let's hear it for NAFTA! j/k
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Re: Summer Ball Talk
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2006, 02:58:24 PM »
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Brunswick moves to Mexico and the Milwaukee Brewers add "El Picante" the Chorizo to the Sausage Race. Let's hear it for NAFTA! j/k


dont mind him, hes been stuck at 13 for the past 20 years.