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Stormroto22

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Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« on: October 06, 2015, 06:28:51 PM »
Hey guys, I'm currently using some storm and roto grip equipment and have been interested in brunswick for a while. Wondering what you guys think would be a good league arsenal and maybe some tournaments as well? Currently I have a storm rocket, iq tour solid, ride, and a roto grip hysteria. What do you guys think would be good for brunswick? I don't have my exact parameters, but my rev rate is higher than average, my ball speed is 16.5, right handed. Thanks in advance!
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Brickguy221

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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #46 on: October 07, 2015, 08:02:55 PM »
Quote from: notclay on October 07, 2015, 07:35:01 PM

Brick,

Part of the reason for the different core is that in order to make the ball heavier (14-16) it probably needs a larger core.  (Core shapes alone can be misleading because the density, and where the dense material is located affects how the core performs.)

In the 12 and 13 weight balls the core must be smaller, or less dense, or both in order to change weight enough.  I hope I'm not off on this.  I'm just thinking out loud, so to speak...


Lane, I both understand and agree with you on the core densities. Motiv makes their cores a bit less dense in their light weight balls, but with the same size and shape core as their heavier weights, the lighter balls give the same looks and shape "as close as possible" as the heavier balls. On some of their balls, the rg's and differentials are real close from 12# thru 16" balls and those balls with those higher differentials work really well for me. However on some (but not all) of their more recent balls, the differentials are too low to work for me. The higher rg's in light weight balls don't bother me much as I can over come some of that with pin placement and overstock adjustment, but the low differentials do bother me as they flat out don't do well for me on the conditions I bowl on, no matter how the ablls are drilled.
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2015, 08:10:35 PM »
Brick,

Going back to the Ball "A" vs Ball "B" and your current situation throwing 12lb, you have chosen the Nirvana.

Welcome back :)
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2015, 08:14:50 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on October 07, 2015, 07:56:53 PM
Quote from: BrunsNick on October 07, 2015, 07:49:03 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on October 07, 2015, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: BrunsNick on October 07, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Yes cover is king and Brunswick and DV8 have the most advanced coverstock in Composite Technology.

As an intelligent guy I inferred that you would realize they were not equal in importance, merely making a list and giving an example since cores were brought up in the discussion.
so you leave Brunswick and DV8's cores out of the core comparison and now Radicals covers out of this coverstock talk.

According to Throbot and every magazine review, Guru and Guru Master hook more than anything on the market. Didn't want to sound like a broken record bringing up that accolade.
how'd these balls do on tour? Just wondering.

Probably about as good as you did. Hopefully that isn't a reason to not go bowling.
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Brickguy221

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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2015, 08:17:00 PM »
Quote from: BrunsNick on October 07, 2015, 08:10:35 PM
Brick,

Going back to the Ball "A" vs Ball "B" and your current situation throwing 12lb, you have chosen the Nirvana.

Welcome back :)

LOL ... I was  starting to make another post and hit the wrong key and messed it up. What I was trying to post is say in the case of the Nirvana and it's shape and looks on the lane it gives the 14-15-16 lb ball throwers, if I were to buy that ball becasue I liked what I saw, I would want the same shape and looks. My question is how can that be possible with a different shape core?

Or one more example, say a ball has a core that helps the ball be a skid-flip ball, how is a different shape core going to give the same shape and looks on the lane? (note- skid-flip isn't for me, just asking the question here in talking about shape and looks)
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2015, 08:21:19 PM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on October 07, 2015, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on October 07, 2015, 07:56:53 PM
Quote from: BrunsNick on October 07, 2015, 07:49:03 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on October 07, 2015, 07:40:03 PM
Quote from: BrunsNick on October 07, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
Yes cover is king and Brunswick and DV8 have the most advanced coverstock in Composite Technology.

As an intelligent guy I inferred that you would realize they were not equal in importance, merely making a list and giving an example since cores were brought up in the discussion.
so you leave Brunswick and DV8's cores out of the core comparison and now Radicals covers out of this coverstock talk.

According to Throbot and every magazine review, Guru and Guru Master hook more than anything on the market. Didn't want to sound like a broken record bringing up that accolade.
how'd these balls do on tour? Just wondering.

Probably about as good as you did. Hopefully that isn't a reason to not go bowling.
is that the best you have?
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2015, 08:22:54 PM »
As good as anything you have contributed so far.
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2015, 08:27:59 PM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on October 07, 2015, 08:22:54 PM
As good as anything you have contributed so far.
it looks as if the OP baited you guys. He said in another thread that he is picking up 2 Motiv balls on Friday. I'm sure he appreciates your feedback though.
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BrunsNick

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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2015, 08:29:45 PM »
The coverstock is still the same across the board, and with the 12# RG DIFF at .043 vs 15# RG DIFF at .054, you're going to be in the same ballpark. Coverstock will still be 75-80% of total ball reaction. So typically, when a ball is inherently "skid-flippy", they are referring to the coverstock being clean in the front with a quick response to friction. Covers will be the major reason for shape, cores will always help assist that motion.
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2015, 08:31:53 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on October 07, 2015, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: kidlost2000 on October 07, 2015, 08:22:54 PM
As good as anything you have contributed so far.
it looks as if the OP baited you guys. He said in another thread that he is picking up 2 Motiv balls on Friday. I'm sure he appreciates your feedback though.

Plenty of great discussion here, minus your input. Might be one of the better conversations on ballreviews this year!
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2015, 08:35:17 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on October 07, 2015, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: kidlost2000 on October 07, 2015, 08:22:54 PM
As good as anything you have contributed so far.
it looks as if the OP baited you guys. He said in another thread that he is picking up 2 Motiv balls on Friday. I'm sure he appreciates your feedback though.

Thrown several. Only loved one.  Gt-1. The venom line is probably one of the best lines in its price point from what I've seen. 

Just my opinion
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2015, 08:38:45 PM »
Quote from: BrunsNick on October 07, 2015, 08:31:53 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on October 07, 2015, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: kidlost2000 on October 07, 2015, 08:22:54 PM
As good as anything you have contributed so far.
it looks as if the OP baited you guys. He said in another thread that he is picking up 2 Motiv balls on Friday. I'm sure he appreciates your feedback though.

Plenty of great discussion here, minus your input. Might be one of the better conversations on ballreviews this year!
you should read around. There's been plenty of good topics on the board.

P.S.-you owe AMF an apology as the person posting with them in his name is not a staffer. But I see it's OK for you to take shots at other companies.
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2015, 08:47:17 PM »
Quote from: BrunsNick on October 07, 2015, 08:29:45 PM
The coverstock is still the same across the board, and with the 12# RG DIFF at .043 vs 15# RG DIFF at .054, you're going to be in the same ballpark. Coverstock will still be 75-80% of total ball reaction. So typically, when a ball is inherently "skid-flippy", they are referring to the coverstock being clean in the front with a quick response to friction. Covers will be the major reason for shape, cores will always help assist that motion.

OK ... I am supposed tp be released to bowl again Oct 16th. I am going to start with two 12# balls I bought in 2013 after my first back surgery ... Motiv Primal Scream and Motiv Thrash Frenzy. If my back doesn't bother me, I will probably buy 2 new balls, one for medium and medium-heavy oil and one for medium and medium-lite oil. If all goes well, I will be contacting you about the Motiv balls, their drillings and their nos that work really great for me and see what you can do to match me up with the same in Brunswick and then decide from there. To give you an idea ahead of time, the Rage and Thrash Frenzy are the two best with the Primal Scream good also, but I like the Rage over the Scream. I would want something the same in Brunswick.

I've been here too long tonight, so going to go watch TV for awhile.
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2015, 08:50:32 PM »
Have a good rest of your night, talk to you soon.
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2015, 09:20:02 PM »
Quote from: AMF300bowler on October 07, 2015, 11:38:29 AM
I guess switching to Made In Mexico bowling balls (Brunswick/DV8) rather than Made In USA bowling balls (essentially everybody else) appeals to you.

this gets old! nothing like beating a dead horse. it is what it is
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Re: Thinking of switching companies, need ideas on a new arsenal
« Reply #60 on: October 08, 2015, 07:06:10 AM »
Quote from: tkkshop on October 07, 2015, 08:27:59 PM
Quote from: kidlost2000 on October 07, 2015, 08:22:54 PM
As good as anything you have contributed so far.
it looks as if the OP baited you guys. He said in another thread that he is picking up 2 Motiv balls on Friday. I'm sure he appreciates your feedback though.


I didn't bait anyone. I am really considering brunswick. But this whole thread isny even about that anymore. It's people arguing over covers rocks and cores.
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