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ainokea808

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Too much BRUNSWICK
« on: April 09, 2010, 09:26:54 PM »
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thrownxs

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #31 on: April 11, 2010, 05:41:41 PM »
We are in the brunswick forum and that is the topic at hand, granted Dexter was and is no better. I have never argued the point concerning Dexter, you are the one who brought it up.

As far as you pointing out my comment concerning not having a choice in the other circumstances you brought up, please do enlighten us what other choices we do have concerning shoes and bags. Quitting bowling which you mentioned is an option but an asinine suggestion considering American products can not be purchased.

As far as intelligence goes your posts speak volumes.
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mj79

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #32 on: April 11, 2010, 05:47:13 PM »
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We are in the brunswick forum and that is the topic at hand, granted Dexter was and is no better. I have never argued the point concerning Dexter, you are the one who brought it up.

As far as you pointing out my comment concerning not having a choice in the other circumstances you brought up, please do enlighten us what other choices we do have concerning shoes and bags. Quitting bowling which you mentioned is an option but an asinine suggestion considering American products can not be purchased.

As far as intelligence goes your posts speak volumes.
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havent you learned?? Storm is always right.. He calls you a hypocrite for buying non american made shoes and bags, when there is no other options, then calls you a hypocrite for not bowling anymore for hurting the american economy .. It must be tough for him to be so perfect and ( in his mind ) have all the right answers
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thrownxs

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2010, 05:48:36 PM »
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What this thrownxs child seems to forget is Brunswick SAVED another hundred jobs by moving to Mexico.  Keep your rabble rousing to the Lane #1 threads, sawboy.  We really don't need your kind of trouble over here.  Just ignore this guy and anybody else who makes comments and jokes about Mexico, boys.  Like it was so ably pointed out, if was such a big deal to thrownxs, he would'nt be using Dexter shoes since they outsourced to foreign lands. Small minds can stir up big sh$t if we allow them to.  Just ignore him.




Hey it's good to see you CRD,LB4M,UG2BK as usual you're throwing out the lane 1 and union rubbish arguments like always. I knew it would only be a matter of time before you lost your temper and went back to your old ways. Way to blow your cover, you are so predictable. LOL
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thrownxs

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2010, 05:54:44 PM »
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Also, how come it's quite okay for union jobs (Big B workers in Muskegon were making on average $28/hr) and move them to plants in KY or UT where they make $10/hr. As long as it's here in the States that makes it alright?  Get lost, hypocrites!



Ah so what you are saying CRD is that moving the jobs to Mexico was a better choice for the American economy than moving them to a state which might pay lower wages but still employs American workers?
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mj79

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2010, 06:01:06 PM »
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For someone who knows nothing (as some of your older posts clearly indicate), you should not be trying to match wits with me. I'm out of your league, junior.

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We are in the brunswick forum and that is the topic at hand, granted Dexter was and is no better. I have never argued the point concerning Dexter, you are the one who brought it up.

As far as you pointing out my comment concerning not having a choice in the other circumstances you brought up, please do enlighten us what other choices we do have concerning shoes and bags. Quitting bowling which you mentioned is an option but an asinine suggestion considering American products can not be purchased.

As far as intelligence goes your posts speak volumes.
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havent you learned?? Storm is always right.. He calls you a hypocrite for buying non american made shoes and bags, when there is no other options, then calls you a hypocrite for not bowling anymore for hurting the american economy .. It must be tough for him to be so perfect and ( in his mind ) have all the right answers
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LMAO, I could not have thrown a bowling ball in my life and  still have a debate in this conversation..  Match wits with you? Lol yea I dont think I could dumb myself down that much, junior .. And your right , Im not on your level, your to full of BS and ignorance .. another know it all trying to be a tough guy on a bowling forum of all things lolol
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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2010, 06:01:46 PM »
TCP is the best troll on this site. Everybody continues to give him attention, no matter what screen name/terrible argument he is using at the time. It's almost an art.
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mj79

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2010, 06:04:27 PM »
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I must have CRD on ignore, but anyway. Nobody here has said that they AGREE with Brunswick's choice to move to Mexico. I certainly do not, but that's not the argument either CRD or myself are making. My argument, and I can see his as well, is this YOU, are complaining about Brunswick's move to Mexico as an excuse for not using their products. That's perfectly fine until you reveal that you use other bowling products that were previously made in America, but have since been outsourced to other countries such as China.

You're a hypocrite for crying about Brunswick's move to Mexico and how it hurt the economy, but you refuse to acknowledge that you use Dexter or Global shoes, which were previously made in America but have since be sent to China for production. You have no argument and you know it. Now, I'm done with this.

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Also, how come it's quite okay for union jobs (Big B workers in Muskegon were making on average $28/hr) and move them to plants in KY or UT where they make $10/hr. As long as it's here in the States that makes it alright?  Get lost, hypocrites!



Ah so what you are saying CRD is that moving the jobs to Mexico was a better choice for the American economy than moving them to a state which might pay lower wages but still employs American workers?
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WOW ,  you are really showing your mode of transportation is the short bus.. How many times do we have to repeat the same thing? WHERE are the options to buy american made moron?
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thrownxs

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2010, 06:08:18 PM »
Stormbowler83 concerning your assumption stating I use Dexter or 3G please show where I have stated that.

For your info I''m still using a pairs of Made in America Linds, what I will do when these wear out is yet to be seen. But hopefully that is years down the road, especially considering the shape they are in.
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Edited on 4/11/2010 6:10 PM

mj79

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2010, 06:13:39 PM »
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TCP is the best troll on this site. Everybody continues to give him attention, no matter what screen name/terrible argument he is using at the time. It''s almost an art.
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trolls need attn too, his life is boring and he has no friends.. Let him feel special on here.. It all hes got
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kidlost2000

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2010, 06:50:44 PM »
Doesn''t matter where the ball is made. If you want it, buy it. If not that is fine. If Brunswick kept their plant in the USA and then eventually due to cost, ect quit making bowling balls would that have made it better? Then more people would have lost their jobs due to a company not doing its best to maintain its business.

Shortly there after they pull out of sponsoring on the PBA, stop making bowling pins, lanes, equipment ect. Then you have more lost jobs then to begin with.

Many companies in the USA have pulled some plants and moved them to other countries. It is the cost of doing business. Not all USA car manufactures are built in the USA anymore. Many are outsources to plants built in Canada and Mexico. So just because you bought from an American company doesn''t mean you bought an American car. At least Brunswick still employees people in the USA because they are still in business.

So buy American every chance you get. Doesn''t mean it is a better product, doesn''t mean you saved someones job. You can''t say that about bowling balls, and not apply it to everything else.

Also understand bowling ball sales is not the huge industry it use to be, especially in the USA. More sales are made to other countries then here.

Also, how many jobs were lost at the plant in Michigan?
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kidlost2000

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2010, 08:45:02 PM »
100 labor jobs lost to another country and several hundreds saved? So it is no different then the current automobile industry who has done the same?

That is business. The good and the bad. Doesn't change anything for me.
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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2010, 10:32:44 AM »
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100 were lost in Muskegon, MI.  They also would have closed a facility in Chicago if they had not made the move.  This is from ex and present Brunswick employees. I have to laugh at confused people like thrownxs (who must be the same guy as Brickguy221 and Steven as they are the only people who insist on calling me somebody I have no idea who they are talking about.) because in their minds, it would have been better to jettison 200 jobs instead of 100. I still am waiting for an answer how it is fine in some people''''s minds to take a job from Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and the rest of the "Rust Belt" and give them to people in southern states who are willing to do it for half the wages.  I have said all I need to say on this subject, I have and will always throw Brunswick as they match up to me and the shells last forever.  Toodle-oooo.




So CRD/UG2BK is it fine in your mind that these jobs went to Mexico, instead of possibly moving to a "southern state" which would pay less money but still employ American workers? Or possibly work on the contract and see if concessions could have been made?
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Didn''''t brunswick state that is why the wizard was stronger then the nemesis even though it was the same core and cover?



You do understand that the majority of those factory jobs are migrant or naturalized workers? So it''s okay if it''s basically illegals that are within our own borders, but if they use the same workers in "their own" country? As Charlest stated, you believe in situational ethics.

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Steven

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2010, 12:33:25 PM »
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Again, I have no idea who CRD is or who you are.
 


CRD/LM4M/UG2BK: Please, stop the charade. You've recently changed your identity more often than some posters change their underwear, so you're not fooling anyone with your empty denials.

The fact is that no matter how you frame it, Brunswick made a bunch of bad business decisions that almost caused their bowling division to go bust. They're clearly not near as well run as their major competitors who continue to manufacture their high end equipment in the US.

This doesn't mean that Brunswick doesn't currently make some good equipment. The C-System line is obviously very good. I had a chance to demo the Slingshot this last weekend, and I have to say it's very impressive for a low price offering. I can see higher rev bowlers who struggle with oil breakdown be able to stay with a slingshot all 3-4 games and maintain good carry.

Having said this, there are many bowlers who psychologically buy a company as well as a ball. For many of them, the Brunswick company makes this a non-starter. You can whine and cry about this until the cows come home, but it doesn't change the equation. Accept it for what it is and move on.

kidlost2000

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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2010, 04:00:05 PM »
"1) America can not afford to lose any more jobs"


It is Americans fault to begin with. You make too much for jobs that don't require skill and demand all kinds of benefits and before too long a business is paying someone way too much for what they do.

Entitlement is not a part of the business world.

Business are not required to stay here and pay us to put made or assembled in the USA on a product.

In the end this economy and the demand for lower prices will continue to see more companies do the same. Health Care "reform" will also play a roll in that.
I'm not here to argue that other then to say when business cost goes up, consumer cost goes up. If I have to pay more to my employees or there benefits the next thing I will do is raise cost of the products to cover it.

The more we feel entitled to and the less we do to earn it, the worst we get.
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Re: Too much BRUNSWICK
« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2010, 04:04:06 PM »
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The more we feel entitled to and the less we do to earn it, the worst we get.


Spot on..


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